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Please help. Is this nutrient related?

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Please help. Is this nutrient related?

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Some info to help you understand watering and the principles behind it. Maybe you will spot something that gives you an ah ha moment

 
have you had pm in the past? i think i see the spores on some leaves, it is NOT what is causing the problem you are asking about, but it might be a future problem
 
@Moe.Red @Aqua Man @GNick55

I really appreciate all your help. Sorry for the delayed response, I've been away and will upload pics tonight when I get home.

I don't think it's septoria, which was an early assumption of mine as well, but septoria is often quite contagious from what I've heard and the other plant in the tent which has been brushing against this one has no issue. Average VPD is floating right around 1, as I stated earlier.
I know yall were leaning toward watering issue, but I have to say I really am quite efficient with watering and have always had a good feel for when the soil is dry enough to need water but the plant hasn't started drooping yet, this is usually about every 3 days, and post transplant if the pot is larger, I will only water lightly and slowly graduate each watering toward the periphery of the pot, as to not have the plant sitting in soggy soil with more water than it can uptake.
I think it's stress related, and I'll go into some detail of the external factors that I altered this grow vs. others. I have a small 2x2 tent and growing has been just a nice side hobby, I do frequently alter variables from grow to grow because it's more of an experiment to me, I like to see what works vs what doesn't. Sometimes there isn't the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' mentality, but it would be less interesting running on repeat over and over.
Anyway, here are variables that changed:
I usually go from solo cup straight to whatever pot I will finish in, either 3 or 5 gal. This run I wanted to try intermediate 1 gal pots.
Usually post transplant I will just place the light at the top of the tent and turn up the intensity. This time I slowly raised the light, keeping it about 25 inches from top of canopy but keeping the intensity lower (25% started and was at about 50% when this issue started. The rationale for this is I wanted to leave more wiggle room to turn the light up a few weeks into flower, rather than having the plants enter flower with the light already 100%)
Less nutrients -- I use foxfarms line of nutes and usually get a little trigger happy, nothing overboard but the tips of leaves during veg will usually have darkened (only the tippy top of the tips) and so I was trying to avoid this entirely and held off nutes. Once this issue started, PPM of runoff was about 650 and so I thought maybe I was under feeding. I did a small dose of fox farm big bloom (5ml/gal) and cal mag (5ml/gal) -- I initially thought it was a cal or mag issue and so repeated cal mag for another watering, issue just got worse. I also usually water until a fair amount of runoff so I can measure, but haven't this run because I wanted to see if holding the amended nutes in soil longer would be of benefit.
This plant that is having issues was growing very vigorously, almost doubling the size of the other and so I topped it twice, about 15 days apart. I think this was the real stressor and the root of the issue because shortly after 2nd top is when it all went downhill. But can stress alone cause this odd issues that pose as nutrient deficiencies? I really didn't know what to do to help it, so what I've done is transplanted it into the 5 gal pot (I know more stress, but at this point it was outgrowing the 1gal and I wanted the roots to grow into new soil hoping it would correct any nute imbalance. The plant would have died in the 1 gal so figured I had nothing to lose).

have you had pm in the past? i think i see the spores on some leaves, it is NOT what is causing the problem you are asking about, but it might be a future problem
I only use neem oil, maybe 2-3x tops through veg. I haven't done anything stronger. I've had Spider mites once in the past but trashed the plants because it wasn't even worth the battle to me (trying to save 2 plants not an entire grow room). Can you screen shot the pic and maybe edit/draw arrow toward suspected spores ?
 
@Aqua Man @GNick55
Here are a couple shots of the plant with issues. It's looking very bare because prior to posting on this forum I had stripped the plant pretty thoroughly thinking it was a septoria issue. Because of the stress it's had only a small amount of regrowth.
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Here is a photo of the other plant, no visible issues. It is a different strain (obviously) but everything else has been identical with environment, watering, etc. Only topped once though as it was lagging behind the other plant
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and has terrible lateral growth at nodes, which I feel is genetic.
 
@Aqua Man @GNick55
Here are a couple shots of the plant with issues. It's looking very bare because prior to posting on this forum I had stripped the plant pretty thoroughly thinking it was a septoria issue. Because of the stress it's had only a small amount of regrowth. View attachment 1251209View attachment 1251210View attachment 1251211


Here is a photo of the other plant, no visible issues. It is a different strain (obviously) but everything else has been identical with environment, watering, etc. Only topped once though as it was lagging behind the other plantView attachment 1251212 and has terrible lateral growth at nodes, which I feel is genetic.
Difference in genetics means difference in preference of conditions, nutrients concentration and environment preferences. Just out for a bit but reduce the light a bit. Is the talker planning showing more issues?
 
Difference in genetics means difference in preference of conditions, nutrients concentration and environment preferences. Just out for a bit but reduce the light a bit. Is the talker planning showing more issues?
Doesn't appear that the damaged plant is getting any worse. It is growing a bit (slowly). I will keep an eye on new growth and perhaps it's salvageable.
 
Doesn't appear that the damaged plant is getting any worse. It is growing a bit (slowly). I will keep an eye on new growth and perhaps it's salvageable.
Definitely salvageable…. Some issues can cause uo to 2 weeks of stunting and 1 in particular over a month…. Bit thats not the case here. Usually a week or 2 and disregard all old growth, paying attention only to new growth.

Remember the first thing to do with any issue is reduce light intensity as that is the driving factor of growth and by reducing it we reduce the demands and stresses
 
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