PPM vs EC vs TDS which to use?

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Planting day in the new 8XL13 is soon here and I have a tri-meter that has PPM on it, is that the best way to go or should I also get a EC or TDS meter. I'm looking for the best tool for the job.

I also have checked my water and it's at 310 ppm so if I had a target of 500 for my nutrient solution do I just add the 310 to the 500 for a target of 810ppm? Thanks guys

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A tri meter will have 3 functions. Usually, its TDS, PH, and Temp. SOme are TDS, PH, and EC. The TDS function - total dissolved solids - is read in PPM - parts per million. EC is electrical conductivity. Obviously PH is PH and Temp is Temp....if you want to get technical you should measure all of these. You might also want to look into an oxygen meter. If your water is at 310 - look into an RO system or some sort of filtration for sure. 310 sounds like some nasty water for Hydro. For soil, you would test your water and see what minerals are present, some could be beneficial- others not, and filter accordingly.
 
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MediMary

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ec meter for the win, (IMO)

EC is universal, ppm u can have a 1.0 ec that equal 500ppm 640ppm, 700ppm, etc.....
 
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Farmer Jon

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TDS and PPM are both based on an EC conversion if i'm not mistaken, so EC would be the most accurate.
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EC is universal, ppm u can have a 1.0 ec that equal 500ppm 640ppm, 700ppm, etc.....

So does this mean that if a plant does well at 1.0ec then it will do well within the 500-700ppm range? -the numbers aren't important, just the concept-

seems to me that if a plant will burn at 700ppm and not 500ppm, then ppms seem to be more accurate. -again, numbers not relevant, just the concept-

i use ppms, btw.
 
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So does this mean that if a plant does well at 1.0ec then it will do well within the 500-700ppm range? -the numbers aren't important, just the concept-

seems to me that if a plant will burn at 700ppm and not 500ppm, then ppms seem to be more accurate. -again, numbers not relevant, just the concept-

i use ppms, btw.

no thats incorrect.
 
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do a google search, but here is a quick article to get you going in the right direction ,

The debate over EC and TDS has been an ongoing issue for a long time. These two measurements are used to determine the strength of hydroponic solution. Although they are widely used they should only be used as a guideline and you should always follow mixing instructions on the label of you nutrient.
EC stands for Electrical Conductivity and is measured in mS/cm or millisiemens per centimeter. TDS stands for Total Dissolved Solids and is measured in PPM or parts per million. TDS is acquired by taking the EC value and performing a calculation to determine the TDS value. Because TDS is actually a calculation it is really only a guess at what the nutrient concentration is. On top of that, there are three different conversion factors to determine TDS and different manufacturers use different conversion factors. In other words you could test the same solution with two different meters and get two totally different readings. But the EC is read the same by all meters the only difference is the conversion factor.

Some additional information for the geeks like us

First of all lets talk about the differences and similarities between EC and TDS. We all know that they are both a measure of the amount of dissolved solids in your nutrient solution. This measurement is used by growers to get an idea of how much nutrient is present in the solution. By maintaining the correct level of nutrients in the solution your plants will achieve maximum results. This all sounds very important but there are some major differences between the different meter manufacturers. Some of you may have noticed that some calibration solutions that are marked to read at a certain TDS may actually read different from meter to meter. This is where the problem begins.
Some of you may have not even heard of EC and others may have heard of it but do not even know what it is. Unfortunately many growers in the United States have become very accustomed to using the TDS scale while in most other countries, including Europe, they don't use anything but EC. The fact is that TDS is actually a result of a calculation from EC. The problem is lack of consistency among manufacturers when it comes to conversion factors. This is where it may get a little confusing. Most meter manufacturers in the hydroponics industry use one of two conversions. There is the 442 conversion (40% sodium sulfate, 40% sodium bicarbonate, and 20% sodium chloride) which some say is the closest thing to a hydroponic solution. The 442 conversion is approximately 700 x EC in millisiemens (mS). Then there is the NaCl conversion (sodium chloride) which others say is the closest thing to a hydroponic solution. The NaCl conversion is approximately 500 x EC in millisiemens (mS). You can see where the confusion comes from because the same solution will read 2100 ppm on one meter and it will read 1500 ppm on the other. That is a difference of 600 ppm which as many of you know could be devastating. Both meters are functioning correctly they are just calculating the TDS using a different formula. So, if you do not calibrate your meter using the correct calibration solution your meter could give you a very inaccurate reading.
The solution is simple, use EC. With EC, no conversion is required so all meters will read the same regardless of the manufacturer.
 
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^thanks, i've actually read tons about it. your statement just had me scratchin my head, coupled with a few dabs of some earl...well you get the idea.
 
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^thanks, i've actually read tons about it. your statement just had me scratchin my head, coupled with a few dabs of some earl...well you get the idea.

For shizzle = ) i was toking when I wrote it so its probably not the easiest to understand. LOL
 
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Cant rep ya Medi so thanks for the explanation...now I get why some meters appear to be imposable to calibrate, the damn solution used needs to be specific to the meter.
I must have 7 meters put away that I thought were done with, now i'm thinking I may be able to calibrate them and bring them back from the dead (if the electrodes aren't shot)
Thanks a ton!
FJ
 
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MediMary

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Cant rep ya Medi so thanks for the explanation...now I get why some meters appear to be imposable to calibrate, the damn solution used needs to be specific to the meter.
I must have 7 meters put away that I thought were done with, now i'm thinking I may be able to calibrate them and bring them back from the dead (if the electrodes aren't shot)
Thanks a ton!
FJ
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420Gator

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the only important thing is consistency in the way you take the readings, it doesnt matter what unit you use to measure it in
 
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