Probleems In Coco.

HugzAndNuggz · Jun 18, 2016

i personally wouldnt even use canna start in coco... coco demands more than what it has in the bottle.. out the gate go right into your coco base nutrients and the root hormones... maybe promix or peat based products canna start would be good for the first couple weeks.. even after the first week or so you go right into your base nutrients.. i mean its really made for the first couple waterings while there seedlings in peat cubes or cups.. im pretty sure even on the bottles we have here at the shop it says only use in peat based products rockwool and peat cubes

Winged Sun · Jun 18, 2016

Prevada 13 said:
Becouse if you wanna have arm long buds they have to be pushed bro,every commercial grower I know go up to 2 ec. Very experienced growers can go up to 2.6 even.

I am not sayen I am an expert, am still learning.

Here is my previous runs in coco..

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My 2 cents. Looks like you push the N hard even during first 3 to 4 weeks of flower. Larfy, stretched out mains.

Pehaps some pruning too.

Does your calmag contain nitrates?

No one need purely synthetic or organic, all hail the lord OMRI.

Build a healthy fungal and bacterial population in your chosen medium, don't over feed and you will do well.

Prevada 13 · Jun 18, 2016

Winged Sun said:
My 2 cents. Looks like you push the N hard even during first 3 to 4 weeks of flower. Larfy, stretched out mains.

Pehaps some pruning too.

Does your calmag contain nitrates?

No one need purely synthetic or organic, all hail the lord OMRI.

Build a healthy fungal and bacterial population in your chosen medium, don't over feed and you will do well.

Hallo,

Thanks for for your replay..

Indeed, last run was not my best. I went with hesi nutes and the whole run wasnt that good. But the strechy ones was sativa bubblegum (female seeds)

Shit seeds! I believe I had a hermi which I didnt notice, Found some seeds in all of my crop!

Yes my calmag containes nitrate
Nitrogen nitrate I believe.

Prevada 13 · Jun 18, 2016

HugzAndNuggz said:
yeah sorry i didnt read anymore of the posts just the first one you put up the question that was at hand.. i seen canna start and plagron roots nothing else stated until further into the post.... plagron looks like is about the same as canna line for coco i checked out there website.. they want you to run a very high ec 1.5 from the very beginning imo thats a little warm.. i do usually hit with at least 1 ec in coco and only give them just enough water the first couple times walk the roots so it fills your container up then you can water until runoff.. i do let my ph fluctuate from 5.5-5.9.. i dont use r/0 water alot anymore when my tap comes out at .1-.2 ec so its even lower than yours... i dont add calcium or magnesium when i am running a coco formula no need they have more added to the bases just for that reason..

compositionCocos A: Water, calcium nitrate, magnesium nitrate, potassium nitrate. NPK-fertilizer (4-0-1). 3.9% Total nitrogen (N) of which 3.9% nitrate nitrogen (NO 3 ), 1% water-soluble potassium oxide (K 2 O), 4.5% of calcium (Ca).
Cocos B: Water, magnesiumulfaat, magnesium nitrate, mono-potassium phosphate, phosphoric acid. NPK fertilizer (1-4-2). 1% Total nitrogen (N) including 1% nitrate nitrogen (NO 3 ), 4.1% of water-soluble phosphorus pentoxide (P 2 O 5 ), 2.4% water-soluble potassium oxide (K 2 O). Information for users USA, on heavy metals, please click here .

to me it looks like all that calcium and magnesium your adding is overkill and could potentially be locking things out its a coco formula it has plenty of calcium and magnesium in it if used correctly..

heres an image that help me determine issues when i started with coco i mean the chart can be for anything but it does help

noticing from this chart calcium and potassium are both needed to uptake magnesium.. you need nitrogen to keep the potassium and magnesium uptakes going strong...
so me personally with your replies to everyone id cut out the cal mag cause your ec of your water is already at .4 unless your gonna use r/0 water wich you could add back about .1-.2 ec of cal mag but honestly not needed from my experience.. and get your EC needed from your base nutrients your lacking your MAIN npk ratios.. i went through the same trials and errors like this... just my opinion but i believe you have a heavy water hand and your npk is out of wack.. i know i did not anymore though i give them what they need daily until the roots are expanded enough so i can add until runoff and come back in the next day and it need to be watered again

In the beginning I didnt add any calMag.

I started adding cal mag after I had probleems.

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HugzAndNuggz said:
yeah sorry i didnt read anymore of the posts just the first one you put up the question that was at hand.. i seen canna start and plagron roots nothing else stated until further into the post.... plagron looks like is about the same as canna line for coco i checked out there website.. they want you to run a very high ec 1.5 from the very beginning imo thats a little warm.. i do usually hit with at least 1 ec in coco and only give them just enough water the first couple times walk the roots so it fills your container up then you can water until runoff.. i do let my ph fluctuate from 5.5-5.9.. i dont use r/0 water alot anymore when my tap comes out at .1-.2 ec so its even lower than yours... i dont add calcium or magnesium when i am running a coco formula no need they have more added to the bases just for that reason..

compositionCocos A: Water, calcium nitrate, magnesium nitrate, potassium nitrate. NPK-fertilizer (4-0-1). 3.9% Total nitrogen (N) of which 3.9% nitrate nitrogen (NO 3 ), 1% water-soluble potassium oxide (K 2 O), 4.5% of calcium (Ca).
Cocos B: Water, magnesiumulfaat, magnesium nitrate, mono-potassium phosphate, phosphoric acid. NPK fertilizer (1-4-2). 1% Total nitrogen (N) including 1% nitrate nitrogen (NO 3 ), 4.1% of water-soluble phosphorus pentoxide (P 2 O 5 ), 2.4% water-soluble potassium oxide (K 2 O). Information for users USA, on heavy metals, please click here .

to me it looks like all that calcium and magnesium your adding is overkill and could potentially be locking things out its a coco formula it has plenty of calcium and magnesium in it if used correctly..

heres an image that help me determine issues when i started with coco i mean the chart can be for anything but it does help

noticing from this chart calcium and potassium are both needed to uptake magnesium.. you need nitrogen to keep the potassium and magnesium uptakes going strong...
so me personally with your replies to everyone id cut out the cal mag cause your ec of your water is already at .4 unless your gonna use r/0 water wich you could add back about .1-.2 ec of cal mag but honestly not needed from my experience.. and get your EC needed from your base nutrients your lacking your MAIN npk ratios.. i went through the same trials and errors like this... just my opinion but i believe you have a heavy water hand and your npk is out of wack.. i know i did not anymore though i give them what they need daily until the roots are expanded enough so i can add until runoff and come back in the next day and it need to be watered again

I didnt start cal mag exvept after the probleem has started.

My little experment tills me that they have needed mag.

Thanks everyone for the replays.

Ill be posting photos very soon

Cheers

Prevada 13 · Jun 23, 2016

HugzAndNuggz said:
isn't the ratio for calcium-magnesium a 3-1? so with one being to high or to low could cause issues couldn't it?

2 to 1 actually!

Prevada 13 · Jun 23, 2016

Okay some updates in here..

The group that have token cal mag have done worse, more yellowing and curling. On the other hand the group that had the exta mag have improved alot..

Since then I add 0.7 grams for each 4 liters of tap water..

Water Start point is 180ppm I raise it to 240/250ppm using only mag.

Some pics after 2 waterings so far for all of them including extra mag.

They are taking off, leaves are grean and healty again on the new growth and better health overall.

Prevada 13 · Jun 23, 2016

They have been topped as well as you can see guys!

They will go now to 2 gallon pots for veg as pre veg is over guys..

And one more good news....
my GDP is a girl :D..,

Cheers guys

Privada13

Peace.

cemchris · Jun 23, 2016

Looking good man. Glad the Epsom is working for ya.

Prevada 13 · Jun 27, 2016

Update..

Everything is going great..

Last update I forgot to mention that I have moved one of the 5 PW to 11 liter light soil mix and throw it in my garden, wanna try just sun, soil, and simple organic nutes line with it.

Okay back to indoor garden.
First LST today after the topping of last update.

Pw 1.

Pw2

Pw3

Pw4

GDP

Has ben topped today..

Cheers..

Reserva13

Prevada 13 · Jun 28, 2016

Outdoor garden view.

Though to share with you guys my outdoor garden.

Just got one unkonwn female strain from my upstairs naibhour :) he keept her in his closet with no water for almost two weeks, he basically didnt care for her any more as it got taller than his room window lool. I just got her in very bad shape and with cal def.

He used to give just water. No nutes no ph adjusting notging.

I have transplanted her to light mix and feeded and supported her and toke all of the damaged leaves .

Also 5 days ago I started 10 seeds bubblegum From TH seeds this time better than the female seeds for sure.

One seed didnt make it so I ended up with 9..

I have 1 in my garden now beside the PW and the unkown strain and 8 under my twin solux 110w TCL

Pics..

Cheers
Reserva13.

MidwestToker · Jun 28, 2016

Have some patience with coco. Once you get the nutrient balance dialed in it's easier to do than soil.
@Srenots has given you good advice. Here's a shot of some G-13s' That never saw more than 1.0 ec or 500 ppm.

MidwestToker · Jun 28, 2016

If the nutrient company is telling you to feed at a higher rate than I would suspect that the nutrients are not properly balanced and you need more to make up for the lacking nutrient whether Macro or Micro.

Prevada 13 · Jun 28, 2016

MidwestToker said:
Have some patience with coco. Once you get the nutrient balance dialed in it's easier to do than soil.
@Srenots has given you good advice. Here's a shot of some G-13s' That never saw more than 1.0 ec or 500 ppm.

Hallo Midwest,

Very nice grow indeed!.

Keep it up man :fire:

Reserva13

Prevada 13 · Jun 28, 2016

After some hunting in my outdoor garden :)

Company to my indoor lady bugs ;)

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Prevada 13 · Jun 29, 2016

Update..

Two days back I first induce LST to the PW girls, I would say that they have responded pretty well tp the training and greatfully I havent brake an arm or a leg while I was doing so... :)

The GDP is in a shock from topping but the new tops is steady growing as you can see from the yellowing..

I hope that we agree all that this yellowing is a new growth and not iron def, correct?

Pics

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MidwestToker · Jun 29, 2016

Plants look healthy, good job.

Prevada 13 · Jun 29, 2016

MidwestToker said:
Plants look healthy, good job.

Thank you Midwest.

Prevada 13 · Jul 2, 2016

Outdoor garden update.

Sun started to shine in here in this time of the year so am glad.. The plants aint growing as fast as the indoor garden for sure, but I would say that this is due to lack of sun the past few days.

I would say also that am pretty satisfied with the ligh mix as I baerly water and I dont feed and the plants looking very healthy however not as fast as the coco but a huge factor that the sun is not that strong...

Pics PW RP and BG TH

Whats funny that the PW have alot of 3 fingers bladed leaves

This dot is dirt

The unkonwn strain went to the ground

Tonight ill post some pics and update for the indoor garden

Cheers
Prevada

Prevada 13 · Jul 2, 2016

Indoor garden update,

Steady as she goes...

Prevada 13 · Jul 3, 2016

Hallo guys,

Can anybody tells me what this ladybug is busy doing??!

Did she catch anything?!

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