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mickmick

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k so i got 2 plants that are starting to develop a little yellow and some bronze spots..... i looked at the page on how to figure out what it might be but im new to the growing so i was wanting to get a second opinion on the plant so if you could just let me know what it might be and how i can fix it....

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Hey mickmick,

From Greg Green's Grow Bible. How it helps:

Chapter 13

!PROBLEM SOLVER!

Got a problem that you need to identify? If common sense
does not solve it then it sounds like you have a feeding problem and
want to know how to sort it out. Well this is what this chapter is all
about.

PLANT NUTRIENT / CHEMICAL PROBLEMS
AND HOWTO SOLVE THEM.

Before we begin we should tell you what a chemical burn is.
A chemical burn is what the plant suffers because of over-feeding. A
chemical burn can be compared to a half-smoked joint. At the tip of
the joint you have this shriveled gray ash, in the middle you have the
burn creeping towards new paper which leaves a pattern behind it, and
then you have the part you have not smoked yet. A plant burn looks
like this almost. The plant sucks up the water and the food. It
distributes these elements to the leaves at the bottom first and then
works its way up the plant. This process takes days to work as you
know FROM WATERING and WHEN TO WATER! The damage
starts at the tips of the leaf and slowly moves to the center of the leaf,
leaving behind it some crispy matter that flakes away between your
fingers. This is what a chemical burn looks like. A nutrient problem
does not look burnt. A nutrient problem looks like a cell collapse with
discoloration. The part may wither and die, but it should not look
burnt. That is major difference between a chemical burn and a nutrient
problem. In time you should be able to tell the difference for yourself.
Also check your pH. If your pH is not right, then solve the pH
problem before you go and do anything else.

A) Look at your problem and quickly search for any bugs. When you
have completed this search, eliminate any bug problems by using the
advice in the bug chapter. Also note the type of attack to make sure
that it is not a bug problem AND is a nutrient problem, which can
happen. Do your leaves look sucked and dry? Do you have any black
dots on them like bugs? Try to tell the difference between a bug attack
and a nutrient problem. Nutrient problems damage the plant on a
somewhat consistent level. Bug attacks are less consistent in the
damaged generated. They leave damaged patches everywhere on your
plant.
If the problem seems to affects only the lower portion of your
plant and or a bit of the middle then read B). If it is only effects the top
of your plant and the tips then you should go to J). If the plant is
covered with the problem then go to F).

B) If your plant is in vegetative growth and the leaves are going very
yellow, then you need more Nitrogen. If your plant is in flowering and
you have stunted growth, yellow leaves and it looks to be dying then
you need more Nitrogen. If your plant is in flowering and does not
look like it is dying but looks red or dark green/yellow then you need
to treat it with more P, which is Phosphorus. If these do not help then
go to C.

C) If your plant has leaves that are curling up, twisting and are going
yellow then check to see if your light is burning them or if the grow
chamber has enough air circulation. If this is fine then you need to
consider adding more Mg which is Magnesium to your plants. Epsom
salts are good for this. Add 1/4 - 1/3 table spoon of Epsom salts to 3
gallons of water is fine. If you still have a problem go to D).

D) If the tips of the leaves turn brown and curl slightly then you are
looking at a K problem which is a Potassium problem. If not, move
onto E.

E) Does your plant look wilted? Maybe you over-watered? If not, go to
F.

F) The veins are green, but the leaves are yellow. This is an Iron
problem, Fe. If not, move on to G.

G) Leaves are not twisted but are yellow at the base. The tips are fine.
This is a Manganese problem, which is (Mn). If not, move on to H).

H) Still haven't solved it? Then flush your soil and find another type of
plant food that has all of these. N, P, K, Ca, Mg and S. Get Epsom
Salts and get a small canister of micronutrient. Iron, boron, chlorine,
manganese, copper, zinc, and molybdenum. Try using a nutrient
mixture that we have already mentioned before in the indoor feeding
section. If this doesn't solve your problem, then maybe you have one of
the following:

POT BOUND (ROOT BOUND)
Your plant has outgrown the pot. The entire root mass would
have grown to its maximum capacity. This causes stress and a variety
of problems. The only cure for this is a bigger pot.

NUTRIENT LOCKOUT
Well...what can we say causes this..Hmm there are a number
of things. If you followed H) right then you should not have this but we
will explain it anyway. Lockout occurs when the plant can not get
access to a nutrient or a group of nutrients. This could be caused by the
absence of nutrients (a deficiency) or by a chemical reaction in the
medium/solution that causes a toxic substance to block the roots, or
causes a chemical reaction that creates another substance that changes
the chemical properties of the other nutrients. As you can see this is
really a very open subject matter. pH problems can lockout nutrients,
your soil type can lockout nutrients, your water can even lockout
nutrients. But these lockout causes are rare and more than likely
something other than what cannabis needs has been added to the
solution causing this reaction. When in doubt, transplant into fresh
soil or a fresh hydroponics solution.

BAD GENETICS
Yep, there is a lot of garbage out in the market. Crap genetics
do exist and people still buy them. The genetics may have mutations,
warping, flowering problems, a weakness in them or poor germination
rates that will sometimes cause nutrient symptoms to appear even
though your nutrient problem does not exist. The only solution is to get
some new genetics.

Happy.
 
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mickmick

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thanks that does help out how to diagnose a plant. picture would also help too though and it dosent hurt to ask around. like i said im new to growin and just want to learn about how to care for a plant. sometimes you learn best from other people instead of just reading.

thanks though i do appreciate it.
 
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mickmick

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thats what i thought it might be and yes they have gottin a lil splashed..... thnks for the tip ill keep an eye on them for the next few days and see if they worse...
 
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Rolln J

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rinse/spray them with some ph water - they look over watered - the limpness I mean.

what are you feeding them?
 
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mickmick

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i doubt they are over water.... they get watered 4 times a day for 15 mins
 
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bakershredhead

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I don't know they look kind of over water to me too. How big are they ? If they pretty small make sure your water lines aren't to close to the stems. You say only 4 times a day what is your light cycle? Is it 18 on 6 off. If so maybe only water them every 6 hours and see how they do.
 
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Boots Sugarleaf

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for how small they look 4 times a day for 15 minutes may be too much, but then again if you have only hydroton maybe not, depends on many environmental factors, and I agree with the nute splash possibility, can we get a pic of the whole plant, easier to diagnose that way, and any info on the set up and equipment used will help
 
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mickmick

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fyi these plants are long gone.... heres a link just as an update
 
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