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Thanks Cannagar. I remember when I was in college (30+ years ago) a cannabis "tree" at a friend's house. He had to cut it down due to unwanted attention. Will a "tree" eventually give buds? I figure I have two options:Leave them in pots. You cant easily control the quality of your ground soil and it will be harder to avoid pests in the ground.
If these are photoperiod plants and you dont bring them into the house where you can control their light cycles then they could start flowering right away since the days are already shorter. Otherwise you are going to be out of your league as a new grower. Because that means they wont flower till next Fall/Winter and between now and then will veg so long you will have a practical cannabis tree on your hands That will likely be taller than you (if you can keep it alive in a pot that long without it becoming root bound. you would need about a 20-25 gallon pot.
If they are autoflowers then they would begin flowering in the next 2-4 weeks. And your buds would form at the ends of the branches.
No problem.Thanks Cannagar. I remember when I was in college (30+ years ago) a cannabis "tree" at a friend's house. He had to cut it down due to unwanted attention. Will a "tree" eventually give buds? I figure I have two options:
1. Leave it outside (either in a 20 gallon pot or in ground) and hope for the best. I have the room in garden for it and I'd written it off as dead anyhow (see my previous posts)
2. Bring it inside and try the artificial light again. I'm a little gun shy as that (maybe?) led to the plant almost being dead. See: https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/n...-going-up-not-down.143594/page-2#post-2888022 for sad story. I could do that though. If I bring inside, will a 5 gallon pot suffice?
I have two plants. Perhaps I'll try both ideas. They are NOT autoflowers.
Thanks again Cannagar, Any advice on setup would be appreciated. Where can I buy fabric pots? HomeDepot?No problem.
and Yeah, it would give buds. But seriously; you don’t want a plant of that size. Thats way more than your ready to bite off. It would be quite an investment monetarily and would be very difficult for even some experienced growers.
I looked through some of your posts and came to the conclusion that you did too much to your plants too suddenly. It looked like you were getting conflicted advise constantly and that you were doing everything that was recommended right away.
Not that it was bad advise. But doing too many different things in rapid succession to an already stressed plant is a recipe for disaster.
The best advise I can give you is to be proactive and not reactive when growing. Get your grow environment set up and optimal before you have a problem and it will go a long way. Id be happy to help you through your journey with these plants. But if you want Id be glad to give you some information of an ideal setup. But it would require you getting some basic grow supplies. For ex. I see you are using normal pots. It is far better and will make your experience easier (especially as a new grower) if you use fabric pots instead.
Plants “breathe” through their roots and so it is important they get as much oxygen as they can in order to respirate. And plastic pots severely limit that. Also with fabric pots is nearly impossible to overwater so long as you have a proper medium for your plants that doesnt retain water too much.
Yeah, it would give buds. But seriously; you don’t want a plant of that size. Thats way more than your ready to bite off. It would be quite an investment monetarily and would be very difficult for even some experienced growers.
I looked through some of your posts and came to the conclusion that you did too much to your plants too suddenly. It looked like you were getting conflicted advise constantly and that you were doing everything that was recommended right away.
Not that it was bad advise. But doing too many different things in rapid succession to an already stressed plant is a recipe for disaster.
The best advise I can give you is to be proactive and not reactive when growing. Get your grow environment set up and optimal before you have a problem and it will go a long way. Id be happy to help you through your journey with these plants. But if you want Id be glad to give you some information of an ideal setup. But it would require you getting some basic grow supplies. For ex. I see you are using normal pots. It is far better and will make your experience easier (especially as a new grower) if you use fabric pots instead.
I got mine from Amazon. But I’m sure any gardening center would have them as they are quite common nowadays.Thanks again Cannagar, Any advice on setup would be appreciated. Where can I buy fabric pots? HomeDepot?
Here's the equipment I currently have
1. BLOOM PLUS LED Grow Light BP 1000W (which I'm told is really 90W??!!)
2. The soil is FoxFarm Ocean Forest which the nursery recommended. I've added nothing else.
3. I don't have a grow tent (rather expensive for me). I do have an outside shed. At least 12 feet high. It's narrow (5 feet) and long (20+ feet). I think I could just hang a tarp at the last 5' and have a "do it yourself" 5x5 tent (12' tall).
One suggestion I got was to continue to leave the plants outside (in bigger pots) during the day, and supplement with artificial light at night in the shed. Of course I could move them full time into the shed.
I agree I got a lot of well intended conflicting advice. I do think I overwatered at one point. I'm still not sure if I had the light too close or too far when they were seedlings. One person told me to move the light closer as they looked too "leggy" and were falling over. I moved it closer and they seemed to burn or wilt. I hate to admit it :), but the only advice that really seemed to work thus far was from my wife. At the point I was going to toss the plants (someone on the forums said "it's toe-tag time for those guys", my wife said, "why not just throw them in the garden and forget about them? Don't even bother to water them. It's called 'weed' after all". That's when they rebounded.
On an unrelated note, I do have some auto, feminized seeds to plant. I'm looking forward to that. But I'd still like to give these guys a chance at life :)
Thanks! I'll get on it and let you know how things go. Two immediate questions...I got mine from Amazon. But I’m sure any gardening center would have them as they are quite common nowadays.
1) As for the light wattage. It’s probably advertised as 1000w because that’s the type of light it is replacing; and since LEDs are more efficient it only needs 90w for the same relative effect.
2) Excellent choice! That’s the soil I use as well. You should use fertilizer by about week 4 of veg though.
3) A grow tent isn’t a necessity. It just makes it easier to maximize your lightings as most have reflective Mylar on the inside; they also prevent light leak, unwanted Debris, and some pests from being able to easily access your plants. There is the utility factor as well in that you can easily hang your lights, plant supports, etc in there.
But again, it’s not a necessity.
Do not alternate them between inside and out. That’s not a good idea. You want somewhat consistent environment for your plants.
And whenever adjusting your lighting. Do it in increments. And never move a light closer to an already stressed out plant. Think of it like exercising; More exercise will help you grow stronger. But you wouldn’t do more than normal when you’re currently sick.
Yeah, it would give buds. But seriously; you don’t want a plant of that size. Thats way more than your ready to bite off. It would be quite an investment monetarily and would be very difficult for even some experienced growers.
I looked through some of your posts and came to the conclusion that you did too much to your plants too suddenly. It looked like you were getting conflicted advise constantly and that you were doing everything that was recommended right away.
Not that it was bad advise. But doing too many different things in rapid succession to an already stressed plant is a recipe for disaster.
The best advise I can give you is to be proactive and not reactive when growing. Get your grow environment set up and optimal before you have a problem and it will go a long way. Id be happy to help you through your journey with these plants. But if you want Id be glad to give you some information of an ideal setup. But it would require you getting some basic grow supplies. For ex. I see you are using normal pots. It is far better and will make your experience easier (especially as a new grower) if you use fabric pots instead.
Thanks again Cannagar, Any advice on setup would be appreciated. Where can I buy fabric pots? HomeDepot?
Here's the equipment I currently have
1. BLOOM PLUS LED Grow Light BP 1000W (which I'm told is really 90W??!!)
2. The soil is FoxFarm Ocean Forest which the nursery recommended. I've added nothing else.
3. I don't have a grow tent (rather expensive for me). I do have an outside shed. At least 12 feet high. It's narrow (5 feet) and long (20+ feet). I think I could just hang a tarp at the last 5' and have a "do it yourself" 5x5 tent (12' tall).
One suggestion I got was to continue to leave the plants outside (in bigger pots) during the day, and supplement with artificial light at night in the shed. Of course I could move them full time into the shed.
I agree I got a lot of well intended conflicting advice. I do think I overwatered at one point. I'm still not sure if I had the light too close or too far when they were seedlings. One person told me to move the light closer as they looked too "leggy" and were falling over. I moved it closer and they seemed to burn or wilt. I hate to admit it :), but the only advice that really seemed to work thus far was from my wife. At the point I was going to toss the plants (someone on the forums said "it's toe-tag time for those guys", my wife said, "why not just throw them in the garden and forget about them? Don't even bother to water them. It's called 'weed' after all". That's when they rebounded.
On an unrelated note, I do have some auto, feminized seeds to plant. I'm looking forward to that. But I'd still like to give these guys a chance at life :)
I would use either a 5 or 7 gallon pot. Since you’re just starting a 5 gallon is probably preferable.1. What size fabric pots? 5 gallon? 10 gallon? I did see them on Amazon and not too expensive.
2. What type of fertilizer and how much? Ideally, just tell me what you use and how much. Example: "x teaspoons for 5 gallon pot "
Cannagar, I've ordered fabric pots, thanks. We didn't discuss the most important question.... Given the state they are in now (have been left outside and are ~2 feet high), how best to proceed with lights inside? I'm guessing 18/6 at first then 12/12, but how long should I do the 18/6 before switching? See pictures. I visited the in-laws for about 10 days and the guys really sprouted up. The two bigger ones are Cream & Cheese CBD 1:1 Feminised Seeds from Seedsman. The small one is White Widow. I took a close up of one of the Cream & Cheese.View attachment 1315032
These are all the nutes I currently use and in that order of mixing from left to right.
Though the one on the far right is flower fuel and I don’t start feeding that until the 2nd week or so of flower.
You can do 18/6 for however long you want. When you flip to flower, your plants can potentially grow 2x (sometimes larger), so you'll want to make sure that you're at 1/2 the height you want them to grow to, otherwise you'll run out of room or too close to the light.Cannagar, I've ordered fabric pots, thanks. We didn't discuss the most important question.... Given the state they are in now (have been left outside and are ~2 feet high), how best to proceed with lights inside? I'm guessing 18/6 at first then 12/12, but how long should I do the 18/6 before switching? See pictures. I visited the in-laws for about 10 days and the guys really sprouted up. The two bigger ones are Cream & Cheese CBD 1:1 Feminised Seeds from Seedsman. The small one is White Widow. I took a close up of one of the Cream & Cheese.
Thanks @elusiveshame . In fact, because I had them outside for a long time (long story, read threads if you want), they are already over 2' feet tall! So, I'd like to flip them as quickly as possible. However, currently they are only getting 10 hours of sun. My plan was to move them inside and give them 18/6. My question is: What is the minimum amount of time I can do this so they will enter flower stage when I flip to 12/12.You can do 18/6 for however long you want. When you flip to flower, your plants can potentially grow 2x (sometimes larger), so you'll want to make sure that you're at 1/2 the height you want them to grow to, otherwise you'll run out of room or too close to the light.
And that also depends on if you're doing LST and shaping the plants as they grow. So really, it's all preference and what works for you and your environment.
Thanks @elusiveshame . In fact, because I had them outside for a long time (long story, read threads if you want), they are already over 2' feet tall! So, I'd like to flip them as quickly as possible. However, currently they are only getting 10 hours of sun. My plan was to move them inside and give them 18/6. My question is: What is the minimum amount of time I can do this so they will enter flower stage when I flip to 12/12.
I'm doing all this because it has been suggested if I leave them outside, they won't flower until October or so at which point they will be taller than me!
But by that logic, shouldn’t they be flowering now? I don’t think I understand. I’m completely new to this. I thought it was the transition from long days to short days (or 18 hours light to 12 hours light) that got them to flip. I don’t really want more veg state any longer, but figured I had to to prepare to flip them.If you want to flip them asap, I'd just start off with the 12/12 schedule (or maybe 11/13 to keep it close to what they're getting now), especially if they're already getting close to that now and could be already in the flowering stage. If they are (I'm not sure how long they've been in the less than 12 hours of light cycle), then putting them in 18/6 could stress them/make them reveg, and that would add time to your grow.
How long have they been outside with that light cycle? If it's been a week or less, you might not see the preflowers. Photoperiods will begin flowering when they receive 12 hours or more of darkness. Is the plant outside of your windows where your indoor light will make its way to your plants? If so, they may not have hit the flowering phase due to extended light times by your outside facing windows.But by that logic, shouldn’t they be flowering now? I don’t think I understand. I’m completely new to this. I thought it was the transition from long days to short days (or 18 hours light to 12 hours light) that got them to flip. I don’t really want more veg state any longer, but figured I had to to prepare to flip them.
I could also bring them inside and give them only 8 or less hours if you think that would work
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