RE under the scope (for medi)

desertsquirrel · Jun 23, 2011

So Medimary asked me to throw the roots excel under the microscope, specifically looking for living microbes.

From what i could tell upon looking strait from the bottle, nothing is alive. However im going to culture some in potato auger to see if anything comes out.

Interestingly after it dried it took on a crystalline pattern like any other salt based nutrient would.

pics of RE wet..

desertsquirrel · Jun 23, 2011

and dry...

hiboy · Jun 23, 2011

I swear i saw an image of a unicorn in that last pic:icon_animal26:
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Seamaiden · Jun 23, 2011

Dude's hit up a few people, apparently. I already let him know what I saw (no pix, d'oh!), which was small particulate matter, nothing that appeared as though it were even previously alive. The crystalline structure is pretty neat, though, I'd love to see it at higher magnification. I threw out my slide with the RE, didn't think about looking at it again.

1971 · Jun 23, 2011

interesting

Blaze · Jun 23, 2011

I am not surprised few things that come out of a bottle are actually "alive."

Chronic Monster · Jul 17, 2011

props to DesertS & Seamaiden

great pictures btw DS, the dried pictures look cool as hell... might print one out and hang it on my wall :giggle

Chronic Monster · Jul 17, 2011

wow, those pictures are cool, the dry pictures actually look kinda like art ..
think Im going to print this one out and hang it on my wall. :) :giggle

Thanks to both you and Sea for clearing up this myth, and thanks for posting these bomb pictures as well. +rep

Did you ever culture some in the potato auger, if so same exact thing? :wondering

you should have your own thcfarmer tv show, Nutrient Myth Busters

:giggle :joint:

MediMary · Jul 17, 2011

:sign0065::sign0065::sign0065:

thanks broski!

Seamaiden · Jul 17, 2011

Chronic Monster said:
wow, those pictures are cool, the dry pictures actually look kinda like art ..
think Im going to print this one out and hang it on my wall. :) :giggle

Thanks to both you and Sea for clearing up this myth, and thanks for posting these bomb pictures as well. +rep

Did you ever culture some in the potato auger, if so same exact thing? :wondering

you should have your own thcfarmer tv show, Nutrient Myth Busters

:giggle :joint:

K, that picture totally reminds me of this phase my dad was going through in his photography, called photomicrography. He would grow crystals (urine, salt, sugar, other stuff that I can't remember because this was in the 70s or 80s) on a plate, put them under the scope, put a polarizing filter between the camera and the scope and start clicking and turning the filter. Turning the filter relative to the light source would change the appearance of the crystalline structure. It was wild back then, and wilder now to see those old prints because they look like satellite imagery (can you say "fractals"?) long before those types of satellite photos were available to the public. Coolness in the extreme!

If only he was using Canon glass back then, then I could "borrow" the equipment, what's left at least, and try it on my own.

MediMary said:
:sign0065::sign0065::sign0065:

thanks broski!

Mary, we tried to tell ya!

<big grin>

MediMary · Jul 17, 2011

Im sending H & G a scathing email, Im done with H&G.. fuck them, get your shit straight guys.

motherlode · Jul 17, 2011

Blaze said:
I am not surprised few things that come out of a bottle are actually "alive."

especially suspended in liquid

MediMary · Jul 17, 2011

imvho H&G can suck my left nutt if RE ain't living...

if DS adds water and RE doesn't "come to life" then the house and garden crew are nothing but a bunch of liars, straight the fuck up.

MediMary said:
I was just conveying what H & G had told me(both H & G here and over in europe). Multiple people told me it contained benies...

TheBioMaster was the guy saying that it didn't contain any benies...

After biomaster stated that, I hit up Rob at H & G and he continued to tell me there was benies in there..

MY email to him...
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hey brother quick question,

I was on a forum this morning,

There was a conversation that went something like this....

"I understand the difference between bacteria and hormonal, Roots excel is a beneficial bacteria (at least from my understanding)
Its advertised as a beneficial too. Call H & G and talk to rob if you are unsure."

The person responded

"I did, I got the info from Rob. They are not allowed to import H&G's bacteria product (bacto force is what it is called) into the USA which is why they recomend using great white......so you can call and ask if you would like, but I already have."

So who is correct? Is roots excel a beneficial bacteria product or a hormonal product, also why do you guys recommend great white if roots excelurator is a beneficial bacteria??

Thanks brother, just trying to make sure folks are using your products properly and understand the nuances that come along with them, I wasnt sure if this guy was full it, or had actually talked to you.

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robs response back.
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Sorry for the delay getting back with you! Super busy last week and just got home.

I think "Not Allowed" is mighty strong words. Maybe I said that but I'm not sure, let me better explain.

It would take a lot of research in the states before we would be able to import the Bacto Force. That does not mean that we can't import bacterias. Look at the variety of Bacillus bacterias that we would have to deal with importing. It is much easier to just use the beneficial bacteria here in the states. We are working on getting more important H&G products here that are NOT available. The most benefit from importing Bacto Force would be to sell are own products instead of another companies. Also because it has bacteria doesn't mean it can't have natural hormones. That's like saying seaweed extracts are hormone based only when there are many beneficial Macro, Micro, Vitamins and Auxins (natural hormones) which are very beneficial to the plant.

I feel that I should quite discussing the product due to "We Can Not Advertise" what ingredients are not on the bottle. Anybody that's works for the company should keep talk like bacterias to ourselves including me.
Remember! Big Mike told everyone it was "Hormone Based". Bottom line is the recipe is a Van De Zwann family secret and no one knows whats in it. Everyone tries to reverse engineer Roots Excel but the products just don't work the same. I know it has humic acids in it due to that's how he hides the recipe.

I did have one guy say he watched it come to life under a microscope.

This older gentlemen was amazed and he felt that whatever it was was in dormancy till it hit the water.

Hope all is well and things are going smoothly, Rob

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My response back...
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Thanks Rob, I understand its a bit of a tricky situation when you have folks telling others misinformation about H & G, which is read by thousands of people.

Obviously both of us want to correct them, but due to the labeling issues its a very tricky situation to a definitive statement about the product due to labeling issues, thats a tough situation for sure.

Thanks for helping me out with the clarification, due to the content of your email, its probably better if I don't post the info online as I wouldn't want to cause you any problems. But I would like folks to use your products properly when paying for them and that was the intention of my email.

best wishes my friend..
thanks for everything

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Robs response back, he asked me not to post this... but at this point I don't give a fuck... H & G needs to get their shit straight....
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Don't post this but I had RE put under Beneficial Biologics microscope. The Beneficial Biologics company had to complement our scientist on the LIFE that was in RE. I saw it come to life with my own eyes, case solved.

Peace, Rob
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motherlode · Jul 17, 2011

MediMary said:
imvho H&G can suck my left nutt...
if DS adds water and RE doesn't "come to life" then the house and garden crew are nothing but a bunch of liars.

is that really shocking though?

MediMary · Jul 17, 2011

LOL

:giggle :giggle

good point, so where do I buy me some G.O.D. nutrients.... fuck these mother fuckers..

MediMary · Jul 17, 2011

well if sea and DS both add water and nothing happens... Im going to be straight infuriated.

:mad0233:

Seamaiden · Jul 17, 2011

There are going to be some variables going on here, though, MM. For instance, I have no means by which to create a "clean room," which means that there's a possibility that airborne bacteria could land on the specimens or nearby surfaces, and somehow become transferred into the samples. That's why all I looked for were cells, of any sort, when I scoped.

MediMary · Jul 17, 2011

True, but DS will have a different environment so, maybe you two cancompare if he posts pictures up?? im not much of a scientist :giggle :D

hypothetically speaking , if you add water and nothing happens and ds adds water and nothing happens.

Then the guy telling me when RE hits the water it comes to life, and that he "saw it with his own eyes"..

well then he was straight up lying to me// would that be fair to say?

Unless they were culturing a airborne bacteria, but you would think they would know that being at the BB lab and all....

MediMary · Jul 17, 2011

Garden of Dreams said:
Sit tight! there just around the corner!!

Im going to finish off what I got and give your stuff a try. I like the idea of great growers and those who actually grow marijuana, making nutrients for the marijuana growers :)

"By Growers For Growers"

so to speak.

ibTheMan · Jul 17, 2011

i dont know whats in RA but the shit works great in chemical ferts.

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