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A systemic insecticide - a casual look at the MSDS for that should scare the shit out of you.

Ok, so you are either a troll or a very misguided person to think this is ok to spray on cannabis consumed by humans. Using something like this would be "epic fail" if that is your intent.
MSDS is here: https://www.cropscience.bayer.us/products/insecticides/movento/label-msds

Environmental precautions
Do not apply directly to water, to areas where surface
water is present or to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark.
Do not allow to get into surface water, drains and ground water.
Do not apply when weather conditions favor runoff or drift.
Drift and runoff from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in adjacent sites.
Do not contaminate surface or ground water by cleaning equipment or
disposal of wastes, including equipment wash water.
Apply this product as specified on the label.
Do not apply this product or allow it to drift to blooming crops or weeds if
bees are visiting the treatment area.

WTF are you thinking?
Yes, I have read the label. I am well aware to spray products in the early morning or evening before sunset to protect bees. I also do not have any body of water nearby and do not contaminate.
Movento is approved for use in California and is much less toxic than all that Avid crap. The re-entry time is only 24 hours, not 48 like other products. Even the label says to wear long pants, long sleeves, shoes, socks, gloves. It does not even say to wear a suit or goggles or mask/respirator, although I personally would. And I am aware that this product should only be used in vegetative state, never in bloom. Yes, I am aware it is a systemic, and that is exactly what I am looking for. Spraying OMRI products constantly is so time consuming when there is so much to get caught up with on the farm. The broads and russets keep coming back if you are not constantly on it...
Do you eat food? Do you drink wine or eat grapes/raisins? Well then you are probably eating Movento unless you buy or grow 100% organic food. Do you eat out at restaurants? You are eating Movento and a myriad of other pesticides. At least I would not spray this product anywhere near harvest, but many food/grape farmers do. It is now widely used in the grape/wine industry.
 
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Bro sorry to see those.it looks just like what I'm starting to go through. See the pics and see what you think but it looks like Russet mites to me. I'm starting my first round with Big Time Exterminator tonight. Let's hope it works out.
 
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Yes, I have read the label. I am well aware to spray products in the early morning or evening before sunset to protect bees. I also do not have any body of water nearby and do not contaminate.
Apologies if you found my assertions offensive but I didn't want to just have the suggestion to use that product left without discussion. I have no experience with that product. Mite infestations range from simple irritation to full on emergencies. I'd rather do scorched earth than spray and try to salvage. But then again I don't have anyone else to challenge that decision. Systemic methods are well beyond my comfort levels even if they don't show up in a contamination test. I would just say that lack of small scale directions for the product is a red flag for using on a crop for human consumption.
 
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Apologies if you found my assertions offensive but I didn't want to just have the suggestion to use that product left without discussion. I have no experience with that product. Mite infestations range from simple irritation to full on emergencies. I'd rather do scorched earth than spray and try to salvage. But then again I don't have anyone else to challenge that decision. Systemic methods are well beyond my comfort levels even if they don't show up in a contamination test. I would just say that lack of small scale directions for the product is a red flag for using on a crop for human consumption.
I have sprayed 3 times in the last 6 days with the big time exterminator my plants are so happy every night be getting
 
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First off what's up everyone hope your grows are healthy and heavy.
Just a quick post the russet mites have been dealt with. Plants are big and healthy again. Starting to stack nicely. Will post pics tomorrow. Big have to give it to Big Time Exterminator came in and kicked ass so a BIG UP a most have if you get mites anyway night.
 
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How we doing today? Here's some pics to see my girls are a happy example of using BIG time exterminator. Pics 1,2 are GDP
The rest are Sean's Black Pineapple a strain i have been working on for about 5 years indoors. The first time doing outside so we will see.
Happy healthy grows
 
Any update on your situation? Russet mites use 100x microscope, if your broke clip a couple leaves and bring them to ur local frys electronics or microscope retailer, I've even used Craigslist to get a good look. When you see your leafs taco style along with that brownish rust or first on "TOP" the leafs closes to the stem of the leaf its more then time to investigate.

I assume that taco may be due to heat, the water is taking to long to get to the leafs...water half as much twice a day, preferable when late evening in shade, a good indication is when you drop 8 degrees Fahrenheit....whats the update tho? Everything bounce back? If russet infest, I have used bonfide sulphur powder mixed with water, flying skull Nuke em, and a sulphur burner, finally killed them Knock on wood
 
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Im holding my own with plant therapy. And hit the once with Conscerve SC. to knock down the adults.
This year I had lots of tulip aphids. Next year it might be mutant, swampdonkey chiggers.
 
Fucking bastards are inside the center of my plants. There no buds in there. I guess I keep spraying, and spraying... Conscerve SC for the win.
 
Hello, new to the forums but thought I would share. One thing I don't see a lot of is the signs of Russets on buds. Usually , pictures are shown of effects on leaves and the plant overall (tacoing of leaves, yellow or stunted growth etc). I am officially considering myself an expert on these bastards because I have had them now 3 years in a row and have learned to recognise the signs of when plants have them. The pictures below are from a Granddaddy Purple in my current outdoor garden. You can see the stunted, red pistils which is a sure sign. Another sign is in one of the pics you can see an ant. What I have found is, If I see ants on a plant, it means russets or some other insect that they are feeding off the excretions, like they do when aphids are on plants.

The first year I had them, I didn't know what was wrong until it was almost too late. I went through a list of treatments before I finally found the 2 that seem to work best for me; Grandevo and Green Cleaner. Grandevo, from my understanding, is made from a type of bacteria (or a by product of the bacteria) that when ingested, causes them to stop eating and die, similar to what BT does for caterpillars. Green cleaner is basically shampoo (sodium lauryl sulfate) +soybean oil with some alcohol. It will burn the shit out of your plants if you're not careful but it is good as part of a 1 - 2 punch. Mix it at 1 to 1.5 TBSP per gallon. Don't go with the initial recommended application of 2 TBSP /gallon because that will fuck up your plants, trust me, 2 years in a row and I finally figured out it was the GC that caused all kinds of burned /yellow leaves that eventually went necrotic with black dead spots. The GC is supposed to hit the eggs as well as the adults and larvae whereas the Grandevo primarily targets the bugs that are actively sucking the life out of your plants.

Here is what I have learned...the hard way.

DONT BRING NEW PLANTS into the garden from an unknown source. I CANNOT STRESS HOW STUPID THIS IS (and how STUPID I am for letting it happen twice, guess I have a hard head). 2 years ago I was "gifted" a plant from a friend of a friend who grows. Within 1 month I started to see the tacos on that plant and through it was heat stress as we were currently under a heat wave (Sacramento, Ca summers can get to 105/110 for a few days to a week). My nephew came over who also grows and called his buddy who accurately diagnosed the issue on his description. Got a scope and sure enough, I saw the "maggots" as I call them all over the plant. They spread to 3 of my others in the garden before I got them under control. One plant was a total loss.

This year, I got some clones from the same friend, who in turn, got them from the same guy who "gifted" me the plant 2 years before. This Mother ff'er must breed russets because dammned sure they had them. Now, this was really early in the season this year in april and they were young so I dusted them with sulphur to see if I could save the plants (that's actually mistake #2, once a plant has them, burn it, don't try to save it and infect your grow). After continuous checking it seemed the plants were mite-free so I continued to let them grow in my garden. One thing I have noticed about mites in general (take your pick,,,spider/russet) is they seem to explode when the temps start to get above 95 consistently. Sure enough, after our usual late July heat waves and going into August, I started noticing weird looking leaves on the prior mentioned clones...and after inspection sure enough, there they were...Maggots. Having th plants in pots makes it easier to relocate them so I removed those from the main garden area to start the Grandevo and Green cleaner treatment. Yeah...I know I said I should just burn em but, I wanted to really confirm the Grandeve and Green Cleaner combination. 3 weeks later and after regular treatments, I can say that the populations have been nearly eliminated, but will continue the treatments until the buds really start to stack up then it's just praying.

This year I also tried going with completely organic foliar sprays of Insect frass and Neem seed meal teas. Supposedly the Chitin (ky-Tin) in the frass prompts the plants to think they are being attacked and sheild themselves naturally and the neem seed meal is just a repellent. Well , this seems to work for other insects like spider mites, thrips etc...but still got russets. SO Next year I will start witht he Grandevo+Green Cleaner earlier as a weekly preventative spray along with the frass/neem combo.

Or I might just say f-it with outdoors and stick with indoor.

Happy growing! (Growmies of the world UNITED!)
 
:depressed: I need help!
Taco leaves and new pistols turning red and dying
Could it be just the heat? and low RH?
I spray them down with water everyday to cool them.
I dont feed much at all...but, I did feed them lightly(i think) last week
They are still praying everyday..and look fine at 1st glance
But, zoom in and you can see the hairs dying
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Are they sick? Just too hot? or Nute burned?😕

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Too Hot v
 

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