seeds will be illegal now what?

Leste · Dec 7, 2025

PlumberSoCal2 said:
Are you fucking kidding me??? Another brainwashed IDIOT

Says a loyal cult member! Grow up

Hossgrows · Dec 7, 2025

PlumberSoCal2 said:
This is most interesting

I just read a piece on this. It also talks about hemp being illegal, but not cannabis. Which doesn't produce seed
It's very confusing, as they usually make it, but definitely showing their back tracking on our voting to legalize it. Outright against our will.

Soo....who is this illegal group in our government that fights the people, and needs removed. Going against the people is another test to see if well bow to "Their" wants. We hold the power, not them.

Doesn't matter what Feds want, and the liberal fucktards behind it all..it's still depends on the individual states decisions.

Maybe time to enact our own bill, against liberal objectives being used against things, voted to by the masses. Quit whining, and deal with it. I'm tired of the constant battling with keeping the laws already established by the majority, over the few that always use children, as a shield. Our children are under the shield of individual parent(s), not the elected government. WE decide for our children, not them.

We should have the right to vote on these things, not just a specialized group being payed off by big corporations and lobbyists for their own gains.

Keep growing....farmers. fuckim

PlumberSoCal2 · Dec 7, 2025

Leste said:
Says a loyal cult member! Grow up

Take your bullshit and shove it, Fuckwad.

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grayoldnproud · Dec 7, 2025

Actual Text from H.R.5371 Section C(1) clearly excludes any seed from a mother plant that has more than .3% THC or precursor acid as hemp and therefore will be illegal.

Sec. 781. Effective 365 days after the enactment of this Act, Section 297A of the Agricultural Marketing Act of 1946 (7 U.S.C. 1639o) is amended—

(1) by redesignating paragraphs (2) through (6) as paragraphs (4) through (8), respectively; and

(2) by striking paragraph (1) and inserting the following:

“(1) HEMP.—

“(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘hemp’ means the plant Cannabis sativa L. and any part of that plant, including the seeds thereof and all derivatives, extracts, cannabinoids, isomers, acids, salts, and salts of isomers, whether growing or not, with a total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) of not more than 0.3 percent on a dry weight basis.

“(B) INCLUSION.—Such term includes industrial hemp.

“(C) EXCLUSIONS.—Such term does not include—

“(i) any viable seeds from a Cannabis sativa L. plant that exceeds a total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) of 0.3 percent in the plant on a dry weight basis; or

“(ii) any intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid products containing—

“(I) cannabinoids that are not capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant;

“(II) cannabinoids that—

“(aa) are capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant; and

“(bb) were synthesized or manufactured outside the plant; or

“(III) more than 0.3 percent combined total of—

“(aa) total tetrahydrocannabinols (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid); and

“(bb) any other cannabinoids that have similar effects (or are marketed to have similar effects) on humans or animals as a tetrahydrocannabinol (as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services); or

“(iii) any intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid products which are marketed or sold as a final product or directly to an end consumer for personal or household use; or

“(iv) any final hemp-derived cannabinoid products containing—

“(I) cannabinoids that are not capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant;

“(II) cannabinoids that—

“(aa) are capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant; and

“(bb) were synthesized or manufactured outside the plant; or

“(III) greater than 0.4 milligrams combined total per container of—

“(aa) total tetrahydrocannabinols (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid); and

“(bb) any other cannabinoids that have similar effects (or are marketed to have similar effects) on humans or animals as a tetrahydrocannabinol (as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services).

“(2) INDUSTRIAL HEMP.—The term ‘industrial hemp’ means hemp—

“(A) grown for the use of the stalk of the plant, fiber produced from such a stalk, or any other non-cannabinoid derivative, mixture, preparation, or manufacture of such a stalk;

“(B) grown for the use of the whole grain, oil, cake, nut, hull, or any other non-cannabinoid compound, derivative, mixture, preparation, or manufacture of the seeds of such plant;

“(C) grown for purposes of producing microgreens or other edible hemp leaf products intended for human consumption that are derived from an immature hemp plant that is grown from seeds that do not exceed the threshold for total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration specified in paragraph (1)(C)(i);

“(D) that is a plant that does not enter the stream of commerce and is intended to support hemp research at an institution of higher education (as defined in section 101 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1001)) or an independent research institute; or

“(E) grown for the use of a viable seed of the plant produced solely for the production or manufacture of any material described in subparagraphs (A) through (D).

“(3) HEMP-DERIVED CANNABINOID PRODUCT.—

“(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘hemp-derived cannabinoid product’ means any intermediate or final product derived from hemp (other than industrial hemp), that—

“(i) contains cannabinoids in any form; and

“(ii) is intended for human or animal use through any means of application or administration, such as inhalation, ingestion, or topical application.

“(B) The term ‘intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid product’ means a hemp-derived cannabinoid product which—

“(i) is not yet in the final form or preparation marketed or intended to be used or consumed by a human or animal; or

“(ii) is a powder, liquid, tablet, oil, or other product form which is intended or marketed to be mixed, dissolved, formulated, or otherwise added to or prepared with or into any other substance prior to administration or consumption.

“(C) The term ‘container’ means the innermost wrapping, packaging, or vessel in direct contact with a final hemp-derived cannabinoid product in which the final hemp-derived cannabinoid product is enclosed for retail sale to consumers, such as a jar, bottle, bag, box, packet, can, carton, or cartridge.

“(D) The term container excludes bulk shipping containers or outer wrappings that are not essential for the final retail delivery or sale to an end consumer for personal or household use.

“(E) EXCLUSION.—Such term does not include a drug that is the subject of an application approved under subsection (c) or (j) of section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 355).”.

(3) Within 90 days of the enactment of this act, the Food and Drug Administration, in consultation with other relevant Federal agencies, shall publish—

(A) a list of all cannabinoids known to FDA to be capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant, as reflected in peer reviewed literature;

(B) a list of all tetrahydrocannabinol class cannabinoids known to the agency to be naturally occurring in the plant;

(C) a list of all other know cannabinoids with similar effects to, or marketed to have similar effects to, tetrahyrocannabinol class cannabinoids; and

(D) additional information and specificity about the term “container”, as defined in paragraph (3)(C).

Leste · Dec 7, 2025

PlumberSoCal2 said:
Take your bullshit and shove it, Fuckwad.

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You are funny. Trump is on video saying exactly what I said. He said disinfectant, my apologies. Keep trying. Maybe a bigger shovel to dig yourself in deeper.

PlumberSoCal2 · Dec 7, 2025

grayoldnproud said:
Actual Text from H.R.5371 Section C(1) clearly excludes any seed from a mother plant that has more than .3% THC or precursor acid as hemp and therefore will be illegal.

Sec. 781. Effective 365 days after the enactment of this Act, Section 297A of the Agricultural Marketing Act of 1946 (7 U.S.C. 1639o) is amended—

(1) by redesignating paragraphs (2) through (6) as paragraphs (4) through (8), respectively; and

(2) by striking paragraph (1) and inserting the following:

“(1) HEMP.—

“(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘hemp’ means the plant Cannabis sativa L. and any part of that plant, including the seeds thereof and all derivatives, extracts, cannabinoids, isomers, acids, salts, and salts of isomers, whether growing or not, with a total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) of not more than 0.3 percent on a dry weight basis.

“(B) INCLUSION.—Such term includes industrial hemp.

“(C) EXCLUSIONS.—Such term does not include—

“(i) any viable seeds from a Cannabis sativa L. plant that exceeds a total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) of 0.3 percent in the plant on a dry weight basis; or

“(ii) any intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid products containing—

“(I) cannabinoids that are not capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant;

“(II) cannabinoids that—

“(aa) are capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant; and

“(bb) were synthesized or manufactured outside the plant; or

“(III) more than 0.3 percent combined total of—

“(aa) total tetrahydrocannabinols (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid); and

“(bb) any other cannabinoids that have similar effects (or are marketed to have similar effects) on humans or animals as a tetrahydrocannabinol (as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services); or

“(iii) any intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid products which are marketed or sold as a final product or directly to an end consumer for personal or household use; or

“(iv) any final hemp-derived cannabinoid products containing—

“(I) cannabinoids that are not capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant;

“(II) cannabinoids that—

“(aa) are capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant; and

“(bb) were synthesized or manufactured outside the plant; or

“(III) greater than 0.4 milligrams combined total per container of—

“(aa) total tetrahydrocannabinols (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid); and

“(bb) any other cannabinoids that have similar effects (or are marketed to have similar effects) on humans or animals as a tetrahydrocannabinol (as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services).

“(2) INDUSTRIAL HEMP.—The term ‘industrial hemp’ means hemp—

“(A) grown for the use of the stalk of the plant, fiber produced from such a stalk, or any other non-cannabinoid derivative, mixture, preparation, or manufacture of such a stalk;

“(B) grown for the use of the whole grain, oil, cake, nut, hull, or any other non-cannabinoid compound, derivative, mixture, preparation, or manufacture of the seeds of such plant;

“(C) grown for purposes of producing microgreens or other edible hemp leaf products intended for human consumption that are derived from an immature hemp plant that is grown from seeds that do not exceed the threshold for total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration specified in paragraph (1)(C)(i);

“(D) that is a plant that does not enter the stream of commerce and is intended to support hemp research at an institution of higher education (as defined in section 101 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1001)) or an independent research institute; or

“(E) grown for the use of a viable seed of the plant produced solely for the production or manufacture of any material described in subparagraphs (A) through (D).

“(3) HEMP-DERIVED CANNABINOID PRODUCT.—

“(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘hemp-derived cannabinoid product’ means any intermediate or final product derived from hemp (other than industrial hemp), that—

“(i) contains cannabinoids in any form; and

“(ii) is intended for human or animal use through any means of application or administration, such as inhalation, ingestion, or topical application.

“(B) The term ‘intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid product’ means a hemp-derived cannabinoid product which—

“(i) is not yet in the final form or preparation marketed or intended to be used or consumed by a human or animal; or

“(ii) is a powder, liquid, tablet, oil, or other product form which is intended or marketed to be mixed, dissolved, formulated, or otherwise added to or prepared with or into any other substance prior to administration or consumption.

“(C) The term ‘container’ means the innermost wrapping, packaging, or vessel in direct contact with a final hemp-derived cannabinoid product in which the final hemp-derived cannabinoid product is enclosed for retail sale to consumers, such as a jar, bottle, bag, box, packet, can, carton, or cartridge.

“(D) The term container excludes bulk shipping containers or outer wrappings that are not essential for the final retail delivery or sale to an end consumer for personal or household use.

“(E) EXCLUSION.—Such term does not include a drug that is the subject of an application approved under subsection (c) or (j) of section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 355).”.

(3) Within 90 days of the enactment of this act, the Food and Drug Administration, in consultation with other relevant Federal agencies, shall publish—

(A) a list of all cannabinoids known to FDA to be capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant, as reflected in peer reviewed literature;

(B) a list of all tetrahydrocannabinol class cannabinoids known to the agency to be naturally occurring in the plant;

(C) a list of all other know cannabinoids with similar effects to, or marketed to have similar effects to, tetrahyrocannabinol class cannabinoids; and

(D) additional information and specificity about the term “container”, as defined in paragraph (3)(C).

And here's one of the reasons I hate lawyers. My head is spinning after reading this gibberish. I need to print this out and go through it line by line, especially when it refers back to previous parts

grayoldnproud · Dec 7, 2025

PlumberSoCal2 said:
And here's one of the reasons I hate lawyers. My head is spinning after reading this gibberish. I need to print this out and go through it line by line, especially when it refers back to previous parts

That's why I couldn't do it last night. Lawyers are going to have a field day with it. It's written poorly and I already see loopholes.

PlumberSoCal2 · Dec 7, 2025

A good video on pro/con arguments and how this ban may lead to legalization which we all want.

voltage · Dec 7, 2025

"I don't talk to the law, i don't listen to the law, i don't watch LA law"

https://www.facebook.com/

Putthataway · Dec 7, 2025

So if I am reading right indica seeds are still cool.

grayoldnproud · Dec 7, 2025

Putthataway said:
So if I am reading right indica seeds are still cool.

sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh

Seriously though the scientific community hasn't decided if they are sub species or just strains of the same. That debate is still happening. Most likely all would fall under Cannabis Sativa L. But I can see that heading to court when it's nut cutting time. Who would win that argument...?? Hence just one reason why it's poorly written.

Genomics-based taxonomy to clarify cannabis classification - PubMed

In the 18th century, Carolus Linnaeus created a formalized system of classification of living organisms based on their anatomic relationships, which we know as taxonomic nomenclature. Historically, the genus <i>Cannabis</i> has been described three ways under this system: <i>Cannabis sativa</i>...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Genetic Structure of Marijuana and Hemp

Despite its cultivation as a source of food, fibre and medicine, and its global status as the most used illicit drug, the genus Cannabis has an inconclusive taxonomic organization and evolutionary history. Drug types of Cannabis (marijuana), which contain high amounts of the psychoactive...

journals.plos.org

Ninjadogma · Dec 7, 2025

PlumberSoCal2 said:
A good video on pro/con arguments and how this ban may lead to legalization which we all want.

The entire unified cannabis industry and it's greater community of users and growers at large are no match for the alcohol lobby.

Hossgrows · Dec 7, 2025

Ninjadogma said:
The entire unified cannabis industry and it's greater community of users and growers at large are no match for the alcohol lobby.

And the alcohol companies are some of the largest investors in cannabis.

It's all about the $, and control. Now that most states have legalized it, who's gonna reap the rewards. It's a legalized, government controlled, cartel. I'd love to know how much $ Mitch made by doing what he did, and for who.

Captspaulding · Dec 8, 2025

Fishwater23 said:
how did you get seeds when it was illegal I'v only been growing for 3 years

Europe.
Asia
Crusty nickel bags from a trust fund kid.
My bed sheets
Trade with folks of at the least, mediocre intellect like myself.
Rumplestiltskin
And the hamburgler

orggrwr · Dec 8, 2025

Captspaulding said:
Europe.
Asia
Crusty nickel bags from a trust fund kid.
My bed sheets
Trade with folks of at the least, mediocre intellect like myself.
Rumplestiltskin
And the hamburgler

Don't forget the floorboards and seats in the truck.

Fishwater23 · Dec 8, 2025

Captspaulding said:
Europe.
Asia
Crusty nickel bags from a trust fund kid.
My bed sheets
Trade with folks of at the least, mediocre intellect like myself.
Rumplestiltskin
And the hamburg

Captspaulding said:
Europe.
Asia
Crusty nickel bags from a trust fund kid.
My bed sheets
Trade with folks of at the least, mediocre intellect like myself.
Rumplestiltskin
And the hamburgler

I don't want to run genetics from any of those places this makes me more worried about the new laws

grayoldnproud · Dec 8, 2025

orggrwr said:
Don't forget the floorboards and seats in the truck.

And under the couch cushions, in the sock drawer, don't forget we had ash trays too (cars and house).

Back in the day we would walk the tracks to our local wrecker storage, trespass, and search the glove boxes, trunks and ashtrays. We found, roaches, bags, seeds, uppers, downers, and all arounders. My biggest haul was .25 lb stashed under the spare tire of a new 76 Monte Carlo. The ones with the swivel seats.

Fishwater23 · Dec 8, 2025

if I have to rely on old bag seeds I might as well quit growing but I won't

grayoldnproud · Dec 8, 2025

Fishwater23 said:
I don't want to run genetics from any of those places this makes me more worried about the new laws

Crime Lab.

A NewPhase · Dec 8, 2025

Why wont they open the Epstein files

seeds will be illegal now what?

seeds will be illegal now what?

Leste

Hossgrows

PlumberSoCal2

Fact Check: Did Trump once tell Americans to inject bleach to fight COVID-19?

grayoldnproud

Leste

Fact Check: Did Trump once tell Americans to inject bleach to fight COVID-19?

PlumberSoCal2

grayoldnproud

PlumberSoCal2

voltage

Putthataway

grayoldnproud

Genomics-based taxonomy to clarify cannabis classification - PubMed

The Genetic Structure of Marijuana and Hemp

Ninjadogma

Hossgrows

Captspaulding

What’s the matter? Don’t like clowns? 🤡

orggrwr

Fishwater23

grayoldnproud

Fishwater23

grayoldnproud

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