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seeds will be illegal now what?

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#102
PlumberSoCal2 said:
This is most interesting
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I just read a piece on this. It also talks about hemp being illegal, but not cannabis. Which doesn't produce seed
It's very confusing, as they usually make it, but definitely showing their back tracking on our voting to legalize it. Outright against our will.

Soo....who is this illegal group in our government that fights the people, and needs removed. Going against the people is another test to see if well bow to "Their" wants. We hold the power, not them.

Doesn't matter what Feds want, and the liberal fucktards behind it all..it's still depends on the individual states decisions.

Maybe time to enact our own bill, against liberal objectives being used against things, voted to by the masses. Quit whining, and deal with it. I'm tired of the constant battling with keeping the laws already established by the majority, over the few that always use children, as a shield. Our children are under the shield of individual parent(s), not the elected government. WE decide for our children, not them.

We should have the right to vote on these things, not just a specialized group being payed off by big corporations and lobbyists for their own gains.

Keep growing....farmers. fuckim
 
#103
#104
Actual Text from H.R.5371 Section C(1) clearly excludes any seed from a mother plant that has more than .3% THC or precursor acid as hemp and therefore will be illegal.

Sec. 781. Effective 365 days after the enactment of this Act, Section 297A of the Agricultural Marketing Act of 1946 (7 U.S.C. 1639o) is amendedā€”

(1) by redesignating paragraphs (2) through (6) as paragraphs (4) through (8), respectively; and

(2) by striking paragraph (1) and inserting the following:

ā€œ(1) HEMP.ā€”

ā€œ(A) IN GENERAL.ā€”The term ā€˜hempā€™ means the plant Cannabis sativa L. and any part of that plant, including the seeds thereof and all derivatives, extracts, cannabinoids, isomers, acids, salts, and salts of isomers, whether growing or not, with a total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) of not more than 0.3 percent on a dry weight basis.

ā€œ(B) INCLUSION.ā€”Such term includes industrial hemp.

ā€œ(C) EXCLUSIONS.ā€”Such term does not includeā€”

ā€œ(i) any viable seeds from a Cannabis sativa L. plant that exceeds a total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) of 0.3 percent in the plant on a dry weight basis; or

ā€œ(ii) any intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid products containingā€”

ā€œ(I) cannabinoids that are not capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant;

ā€œ(II) cannabinoids thatā€”

ā€œ(aa) are capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant; and

ā€œ(bb) were synthesized or manufactured outside the plant; or

ā€œ(III) more than 0.3 percent combined total ofā€”

ā€œ(aa) total tetrahydrocannabinols (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid); and

ā€œ(bb) any other cannabinoids that have similar effects (or are marketed to have similar effects) on humans or animals as a tetrahydrocannabinol (as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services); or

ā€œ(iii) any intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid products which are marketed or sold as a final product or directly to an end consumer for personal or household use; or

ā€œ(iv) any final hemp-derived cannabinoid products containingā€”

ā€œ(I) cannabinoids that are not capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant;

ā€œ(II) cannabinoids thatā€”

ā€œ(aa) are capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant; and

ā€œ(bb) were synthesized or manufactured outside the plant; or

ā€œ(III) greater than 0.4 milligrams combined total per container ofā€”

ā€œ(aa) total tetrahydrocannabinols (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid); and

ā€œ(bb) any other cannabinoids that have similar effects (or are marketed to have similar effects) on humans or animals as a tetrahydrocannabinol (as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services).

ā€œ(2) INDUSTRIAL HEMP.ā€”The term ā€˜industrial hempā€™ means hempā€”

ā€œ(A) grown for the use of the stalk of the plant, fiber produced from such a stalk, or any other non-cannabinoid derivative, mixture, preparation, or manufacture of such a stalk;

ā€œ(B) grown for the use of the whole grain, oil, cake, nut, hull, or any other non-cannabinoid compound, derivative, mixture, preparation, or manufacture of the seeds of such plant;

ā€œ(C) grown for purposes of producing microgreens or other edible hemp leaf products intended for human consumption that are derived from an immature hemp plant that is grown from seeds that do not exceed the threshold for total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration specified in paragraph (1)(C)(i);

ā€œ(D) that is a plant that does not enter the stream of commerce and is intended to support hemp research at an institution of higher education (as defined in section 101 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1001)) or an independent research institute; or

ā€œ(E) grown for the use of a viable seed of the plant produced solely for the production or manufacture of any material described in subparagraphs (A) through (D).

ā€œ(3) HEMP-DERIVED CANNABINOID PRODUCT.ā€”

ā€œ(A) IN GENERAL.ā€”The term ā€˜hemp-derived cannabinoid productā€™ means any intermediate or final product derived from hemp (other than industrial hemp), thatā€”

ā€œ(i) contains cannabinoids in any form; and

ā€œ(ii) is intended for human or animal use through any means of application or administration, such as inhalation, ingestion, or topical application.

ā€œ(B) The term ā€˜intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid productā€™ means a hemp-derived cannabinoid product whichā€”

ā€œ(i) is not yet in the final form or preparation marketed or intended to be used or consumed by a human or animal; or

ā€œ(ii) is a powder, liquid, tablet, oil, or other product form which is intended or marketed to be mixed, dissolved, formulated, or otherwise added to or prepared with or into any other substance prior to administration or consumption.

ā€œ(C) The term ā€˜containerā€™ means the innermost wrapping, packaging, or vessel in direct contact with a final hemp-derived cannabinoid product in which the final hemp-derived cannabinoid product is enclosed for retail sale to consumers, such as a jar, bottle, bag, box, packet, can, carton, or cartridge.

ā€œ(D) The term container excludes bulk shipping containers or outer wrappings that are not essential for the final retail delivery or sale to an end consumer for personal or household use.

ā€œ(E) EXCLUSION.ā€”Such term does not include a drug that is the subject of an application approved under subsection (c) or (j) of section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 355).ā€.

(3) Within 90 days of the enactment of this act, the Food and Drug Administration, in consultation with other relevant Federal agencies, shall publishā€”

(A) a list of all cannabinoids known to FDA to be capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant, as reflected in peer reviewed literature;

(B) a list of all tetrahydrocannabinol class cannabinoids known to the agency to be naturally occurring in the plant;

(C) a list of all other know cannabinoids with similar effects to, or marketed to have similar effects to, tetrahyrocannabinol class cannabinoids; and

(D) additional information and specificity about the term ā€œcontainerā€, as defined in paragraph (3)(C).
 
#105
PlumberSoCal2 said:
Take your bullshit and shove it, Fuckwad.
www.wunc.org

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You are funny. Trump is on video saying exactly what I said. He said disinfectant, my apologies. Keep trying. Maybe a bigger shovel to dig yourself in deeper.
 
#106
grayoldnproud said:
Actual Text from H.R.5371 Section C(1) clearly excludes any seed from a mother plant that has more than .3% THC or precursor acid as hemp and therefore will be illegal.

Sec. 781. Effective 365 days after the enactment of this Act, Section 297A of the Agricultural Marketing Act of 1946 (7 U.S.C. 1639o) is amendedā€”

(1) by redesignating paragraphs (2) through (6) as paragraphs (4) through (8), respectively; and

(2) by striking paragraph (1) and inserting the following:

ā€œ(1) HEMP.ā€”

ā€œ(A) IN GENERAL.ā€”The term ā€˜hempā€™ means the plant Cannabis sativa L. and any part of that plant, including the seeds thereof and all derivatives, extracts, cannabinoids, isomers, acids, salts, and salts of isomers, whether growing or not, with a total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) of not more than 0.3 percent on a dry weight basis.

ā€œ(B) INCLUSION.ā€”Such term includes industrial hemp.

ā€œ(C) EXCLUSIONS.ā€”Such term does not includeā€”

ā€œ(i) any viable seeds from a Cannabis sativa L. plant that exceeds a total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) of 0.3 percent in the plant on a dry weight basis; or

ā€œ(ii) any intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid products containingā€”

ā€œ(I) cannabinoids that are not capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant;

ā€œ(II) cannabinoids thatā€”

ā€œ(aa) are capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant; and

ā€œ(bb) were synthesized or manufactured outside the plant; or

ā€œ(III) more than 0.3 percent combined total ofā€”

ā€œ(aa) total tetrahydrocannabinols (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid); and

ā€œ(bb) any other cannabinoids that have similar effects (or are marketed to have similar effects) on humans or animals as a tetrahydrocannabinol (as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services); or

ā€œ(iii) any intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid products which are marketed or sold as a final product or directly to an end consumer for personal or household use; or

ā€œ(iv) any final hemp-derived cannabinoid products containingā€”

ā€œ(I) cannabinoids that are not capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant;

ā€œ(II) cannabinoids thatā€”

ā€œ(aa) are capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant; and

ā€œ(bb) were synthesized or manufactured outside the plant; or

ā€œ(III) greater than 0.4 milligrams combined total per container ofā€”

ā€œ(aa) total tetrahydrocannabinols (including tetrahydrocannabinolic acid); and

ā€œ(bb) any other cannabinoids that have similar effects (or are marketed to have similar effects) on humans or animals as a tetrahydrocannabinol (as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services).

ā€œ(2) INDUSTRIAL HEMP.ā€”The term ā€˜industrial hempā€™ means hempā€”

ā€œ(A) grown for the use of the stalk of the plant, fiber produced from such a stalk, or any other non-cannabinoid derivative, mixture, preparation, or manufacture of such a stalk;

ā€œ(B) grown for the use of the whole grain, oil, cake, nut, hull, or any other non-cannabinoid compound, derivative, mixture, preparation, or manufacture of the seeds of such plant;

ā€œ(C) grown for purposes of producing microgreens or other edible hemp leaf products intended for human consumption that are derived from an immature hemp plant that is grown from seeds that do not exceed the threshold for total tetrahydrocannabinols concentration specified in paragraph (1)(C)(i);

ā€œ(D) that is a plant that does not enter the stream of commerce and is intended to support hemp research at an institution of higher education (as defined in section 101 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1001)) or an independent research institute; or

ā€œ(E) grown for the use of a viable seed of the plant produced solely for the production or manufacture of any material described in subparagraphs (A) through (D).

ā€œ(3) HEMP-DERIVED CANNABINOID PRODUCT.ā€”

ā€œ(A) IN GENERAL.ā€”The term ā€˜hemp-derived cannabinoid productā€™ means any intermediate or final product derived from hemp (other than industrial hemp), thatā€”

ā€œ(i) contains cannabinoids in any form; and

ā€œ(ii) is intended for human or animal use through any means of application or administration, such as inhalation, ingestion, or topical application.

ā€œ(B) The term ā€˜intermediate hemp-derived cannabinoid productā€™ means a hemp-derived cannabinoid product whichā€”

ā€œ(i) is not yet in the final form or preparation marketed or intended to be used or consumed by a human or animal; or

ā€œ(ii) is a powder, liquid, tablet, oil, or other product form which is intended or marketed to be mixed, dissolved, formulated, or otherwise added to or prepared with or into any other substance prior to administration or consumption.

ā€œ(C) The term ā€˜containerā€™ means the innermost wrapping, packaging, or vessel in direct contact with a final hemp-derived cannabinoid product in which the final hemp-derived cannabinoid product is enclosed for retail sale to consumers, such as a jar, bottle, bag, box, packet, can, carton, or cartridge.

ā€œ(D) The term container excludes bulk shipping containers or outer wrappings that are not essential for the final retail delivery or sale to an end consumer for personal or household use.

ā€œ(E) EXCLUSION.ā€”Such term does not include a drug that is the subject of an application approved under subsection (c) or (j) of section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 355).ā€.

(3) Within 90 days of the enactment of this act, the Food and Drug Administration, in consultation with other relevant Federal agencies, shall publishā€”

(A) a list of all cannabinoids known to FDA to be capable of being naturally produced by a Cannabis sativa L. plant, as reflected in peer reviewed literature;

(B) a list of all tetrahydrocannabinol class cannabinoids known to the agency to be naturally occurring in the plant;

(C) a list of all other know cannabinoids with similar effects to, or marketed to have similar effects to, tetrahyrocannabinol class cannabinoids; and

(D) additional information and specificity about the term ā€œcontainerā€, as defined in paragraph (3)(C).
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And here's one of the reasons I hate lawyers. My head is spinning after reading this gibberish. I need to print this out and go through it line by line, especially when it refers back to previous partsšŸ™„
 
#107
PlumberSoCal2 said:
And here's one of the reasons I hate lawyers. My head is spinning after reading this gibberish. I need to print this out and go through it line by line, especially when it refers back to previous partsšŸ™„
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That's why I couldn't do it last night. Lawyers are going to have a field day with it. It's written poorly and I already see loopholes.
 
#108
A good video on pro/con arguments and how this ban may lead to legalization which we all want.
 
#111
Putthataway said:
So if I am reading right indica seeds are still cool.
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Seriously though the scientific community hasn't decided if they are sub species or just strains of the same. That debate is still happening. Most likely all would fall under Cannabis Sativa L. But I can see that heading to court when it's nut cutting time. Who would win that argument...?? Hence just one reason why it's poorly written.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Genomics-based taxonomy to clarify cannabis classification - PubMed

In the 18th century, Carolus Linnaeus created a formalized system of classification of living organisms based on their anatomic relationships, which we know as taxonomic nomenclature. Historically, the genus <i>Cannabis</i> has been described three ways under this system: <i>Cannabis sativa</i>...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
journals.plos.org

The Genetic Structure of Marijuana and Hemp

Despite its cultivation as a source of food, fibre and medicine, and its global status as the most used illicit drug, the genus Cannabis has an inconclusive taxonomic organization and evolutionary history. Drug types of Cannabis (marijuana), which contain high amounts of the psychoactive...
journals.plos.org journals.plos.org
 
#112
PlumberSoCal2 said:
A good video on pro/con arguments and how this ban may lead to legalization which we all want.
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The entire unified cannabis industry and it's greater community of users and growers at large are no match for the alcohol lobby.
 
#113
Ninjadogma said:
The entire unified cannabis industry and it's greater community of users and growers at large are no match for the alcohol lobby.
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And the alcohol companies are some of the largest investors in cannabis.

It's all about the $, and control. Now that most states have legalized it, who's gonna reap the rewards. It's a legalized, government controlled, cartel. I'd love to know how much $ Mitch made by doing what he did, and for who.
 
#114
Fishwater23 said:
how did you get seeds when it was illegal I'v only been growing for 3 years
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Europe.
Asia
Crusty nickel bags from a trust fund kid.
My bed sheets
Trade with folks of at the least, mediocre intellect like myself.
Rumplestiltskin
And the hamburgler
 
#116
Captspaulding said:
Europe.
Asia
Crusty nickel bags from a trust fund kid.
My bed sheets
Trade with folks of at the least, mediocre intellect like myself.
Rumplestiltskin
And the hamburg
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Captspaulding said:
Europe.
Asia
Crusty nickel bags from a trust fund kid.
My bed sheets
Trade with folks of at the least, mediocre intellect like myself.
Rumplestiltskin
And the hamburgler
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I don't want to run genetics from any of those places this makes me more worried about the new laws
 
#117
orggrwr said:
Don't forget the floorboards and seats in the truck.
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And under the couch cushions, in the sock drawer, don't forget we had ash trays too (cars and house).

Back in the day we would walk the tracks to our local wrecker storage, trespass, and search the glove boxes, trunks and ashtrays. We found, roaches, bags, seeds, uppers, downers, and all arounders. My biggest haul was .25 lb stashed under the spare tire of a new 76 Monte Carlo. The ones with the swivel seats.
 
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