Seeing red on every plant no matter what I do

[bestbudgrowtraining]

medium: 50/60%brand: cocoloco
Water: phd 5.9-6.2 usually 6.0
Water: only buy purified water
Water feed: no feeding yet only 15-25
ml of water
Age: 1 week
Tent: 3x3 with humidifier at 69%
Lights: 2x 200 watt spider farmers at 60%

I'm seeing this on all the plants I'm starting I have never ever seen this before and I'm beignet told it's from overwatering, but I am definitely not overwatering.

What in the hell is this and why is it happening in multiple mediums (I've tried both dirt and Coco)

I've tried measuring out my water instead of just watering until run off especially cause it's a week old. But I saw this with my skywalker auto every time a new set of leaves started you'll see this dark red in the middle

 

[Bdubs]

Ph is kinda low for soil. 6.8-7 is best imo. Red pigment or purple pigment on leafs can mean a lot of things. But seeing as you are administering Hydroponics Ph ranges, you are on the low side. Thats probably the reason if you’ve been doing that between your grows/plants that display this color expression so early.

Notice how dark the leaves are, she is targeting Nitrogen more than anything. If the leafs were not so dark green and your indicated Ph you administer was higher I would be stumped to figure it out. Thats my idea from what I see at least.

 

[Bdubs]

I would guess your light is pretty close? Follow that chart that came with the light. At such a young age, you are giving her a wavelength beyond what she can handle at that stage of growth. I would reduce intensity or light distance as well as correct the feed Ph. The dark pigment is coming from the Ph being low side and intensity is too high.

Sorry I spent a long time messing with close lighting high intensity and your plant looks like mine did. There was no good outcome to blasting intensity and administering stronger PPM at young stages. It actually caused foliage to get larger than needed as you signal the plant that she needs to get to a point that she can efficiently use all the light she is getting which means get more pigment and grow larger leafs/solar panels. = stress and purple pigment stems is a stress indicator. Temps, Ph, nutrients. Like I said, it can mean a lot of things, but mainly stress beyond her limits.

 

[bestbudgrowtraining]

I would guess your light is pretty close? Follow that chart that came with the light. At such a young age, you are giving her a wavelength beyond what she can handle at that stage of growth. I would reduce intensity or light distance as well as correct the feed Ph. The dark pigment is coming from the Ph being low side and intensity is too high.

Sorry I spent a long time messing with close lighting high intensity and your plant looks like mine did. There was no good outcome to blasting intensity and administering stronger PPM at young stages. It actually caused foliage to get larger than needed as you signal the plant that she needs to get to a point that she can efficiently use all the light she is getting which means get more pigment and grow larger leafs/solar panels. = stress and purple pigment stems is a stress indicator. Temps, Ph, nutrients. Like I said, it can mean a lot of things, but mainly stress beyond her limits.

Okay, so I agree here. The problem with this is, my lights were at 28'' and the 200watt light was turned down to 50%

I got the same outcome three seedlings in a row no matter what I did.

I will however change the ph and bring it up between 6.2 and 6.5 and I will move the light up more.

 

[TheCroppeteer]

How many plants is "all"? Like 3 or like 10 or something? I recently ended up with straight up like black plants. I know it was because of stress. I forgot exactly what happened but I knew they were stressed but I finished them anyways. The bud was literally black. No colors just black. Similar to what yours looks like. My advice is to start over and try different things from what you're doing now, because I actually fully grew them out and they turned out to end up being like just a normal sized single branch of black weed all curled up and the potency was just weak. So, If I was what you were seeing now, I wouldn't even waste my time, because pretty sure it wouldn't be fun for you to end up spending 3 or 4 months for something like what I just described.

As far as what to try, I don't see anything obvious to tell you except I'm wondering why you're buying any water at all to feed her. Is that what you're going to keep on doing?. I just use tap and have always used tap and just let it sit for a day or two and the watering part always goes perfectly. I'd try that although I am aware it's a thing that different municipalities treat their water differently or whatever and I may have just lucked out with my tap ph levels.

What are those green dots? some kind of self-releasing feeding dots or something? If so I'd try leaving that out of the mix. As I've said before elsewhere, my advice is to try moving your way back to the basics. Try regular Oceanforest by itself.

I'm assuming you have had successful grows. Are you doing the same exact thing you've always done?

 

[bestbudgrowtraining]

okay guys, I have 2 different plants doing this same thing.

one is in soil the other is in coco

The one that is older is a skywalker auto - it isn't showing the signs of red anywhere anymore and it's looking fairly healthy but, IT STARTED OUT THE SAME EXACT WAY

That is why I decided to try coco, adjust my ph lower for coco, and i started using grow dots. On the one I grew before this seedling I used no food. Just what came in the soil from fox farm

Im going to show. you guys both plants but, the reason i am stumped is because it's showing me this on a new plant that I switched everything up on.

 

[bestbudgrowtraining]

Im using coco.

 

[bestbudgrowtraining]

How many plants is "all"? Like 3 or like 10 or something? I recently ended up with straight up like black plants. I know it was because of stress. I forgot exactly what happened but I knew they were stressed but I finished them anyways. The bud was literally black. No colors just black. Similar to what yours looks like. My advice is to start over and try different things from what you're doing now, because I actually fully grew them out and they turned out to end up being like just a normal sized single branch of black weed all curled up and the potency was just weak. So, If I was what you were seeing now, I wouldn't even waste my time, because pretty sure it wouldn't be fun for you to end up spending 3 or 4 months for something like what I just described.

As far as what to try, I don't see anything obvious to tell you except I'm wondering why you're buying any water at all to feed her. Is that what you're going to keep on doing?. I just use tap and have always used tap and just let it sit for a day or two and the watering part always goes perfectly. I'd try that although I am aware it's a thing that different municipalities treat their water differently or whatever and I may have just lucked out with my tap ph levels.

What are those green dots? some kind of self-releasing feeding dots or something? If so I'd try leaving that out of the mix. As I've said before elsewhere, my advice is to try moving your way back to the basics. Try regular Oceanforest by itself.

I'm assuming you have had successful grows. Are you doing the same exact thing you've always done?

yes out of the last three.

 

[Bdubs]

The key takeaway here is that you are not letting the plant get enough phosphorus. So whatever nutrients you are giving may not have enough in it or at all. The Ph is low and phosphorus is less available below 6 for sure.
That is the main issue. Coco is a little different.

 

[Bdubs]

It will take some messing around to figure it out. But nutrients you use could play a key part in why this is happening to you. It is a constant right? You have not changed the nutrient line you use? But everything else has been changed to try and correct, of course not the medium. Maybe we are getting somewhere?

What brand nutrients are you using?

 

[ArtfulCodger]

Over-watering isn't giving too much water. It's watering too often, in a media that holds on to water too hard. It's possible to over-water giving relatively low volumes per watering, if you water too often. For example, many amended soils are hypoxic at field saturation. There isn't enough air around the root ball on the day you water them, so you have to give them a relatively long dryback to let the roots breathe. People say you can't over-water coco, but that's not the case. It's true that it's hard to over-water well-rinsed coco. But, if you leave the dust and smalls in it, it will hold on to water more like a soil. The main sign that you're over-watered is a lot of thickness and texture in your leaves, which we see in your pic. I would increase your watering volume, and decrease your watering frequency...watering the pot to saturation (usually around a quarter to a third of the media volume), and watering again only when the pot becomes very light.

There are lots of ways to grow. That's just what's worked for me.

 

[bestbudgrowtraining]

thank you boss

 

[bestbudgrowtraining]

It will take some messing around to figure it out. But nutrients you use could play a key part in why this is happening to you. It is a constant right? You have not changed the nutrient line you use? But everything else has been changed to try and correct, of course not the medium. Maybe we are getting somewhere?

What brand nutrients are you using?

no sir, I did for sure change the feeding. Both are autos
Auto: skywalker - used soil. Used no food. Only used what was in the dirt foxfarm and added some micorrhizae
2nd auto: Papaya Cookies - used coco and letting it dry all the way out before watering again. food: I used grow dots on this grow. Nothing else.

 

[Bdubs]

Interesting. very mysterious!

 

[bestbudgrowtraining]

Interesting. very mysterious!

Ill upload a pic of the skywalker to show you what it looks like. Now, on the SW auto, there are other deficiencies that I couldn't nail down like half of the leaf was lighter than the other half. Looked like cal mag deficiency but, this is only by 4th grow in 2 years so I am no expert. But, I have seen many plants recover from bad yellowing and discolorations to turn out to be some of the best weed i've ever smoked. My weed was so good that I can not smoke weed from the weed shop. My tenth planets ( i grew four) they all had huge fat leaves from overwatering, and they had rust spots and all. it was bad at first. but, i also had too many plants in one and was overwatering. Those turned out to look like they were dipped in cocain. see pic i upload next

 

[bestbudgrowtraining]

Ill upload a pic of the skywalker to show you what it looks like. Now, on the SW auto, there are other deficiencies that I couldn't nail down like half of the leaf was lighter than the other half. Looked like cal mag deficiency but, this is only by 4th grow in 2 years so I am no expert. But, I have seen many plants recover from bad yellowing and discolorations to turn out to be some of the best weed i've ever smoked. My weed was so good that I can not smoke weed from the weed shop. My tenth planets ( i grew four) they all had huge fat leaves from overwatering, and they had rust spots and all. it was bad at first. but, i also had too many plants in one and was overwatering. Those turned out to look like they were dipped in cocain. see pic i upload next