Soil Testing ( Estimating Nutrient Availability )

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Nutrient availability can be impacted by soil chemical and physical properties, including parent material and naturally occurring minerals; amount of organic matter; depth to bedrock, sand, or gravel; and permeability, water holding capacity, and drainage. In addition, environmental conditions and crop characteristics have an important impact on nutrient availability. It is not unusual for crops in fields or portions of fields to show nutrient deficiencies during periods of the growing season, even where an adequate nutrient management plan is followed. The fact that nutrients are applied does not necessarily mean they are available. Plants obtain most of their nutrients and water from the soil through their root system. Any factor that restricts root growth and activity has the potential to restrict nutrient availability. This is not because nutrients are not plant available in the soil, but because the ability of the crop to take up those nutrients is restricted. Understanding how these factors can cause nutrient deficiency in crops is important to avoiding excessive concern about the need for additional fertilization when a sound nutrient program is already in place.

Soil compaction can limit or completely restrict root pene- tration and effectively reduce the volume of soil, including nutrients and water, which can be accessed by the plant. To limit soil compaction, avoid entering fields that are too wet, and minimize the weight per axle by decreasing load weight and/or increasing tire surface area in contact with the soil. Planting when soils are wet can create a com- pacted wall next to the seed that will prevent the seedling from developing an adequate root system. Tilling wet soils will result in clods that become hard and dry out quickly on the surface, preventing roots from accessing resources inside the clod.

Soil water content is critical not only to supply the water needs of the crop but also to dissolve nutrients and make them available to the plant. Excess water in the soil, however, depletes oxygen (O2) and builds up carbon dioxide (CO2) levels. While O2 is needed by roots to grow and take up nutrients, high CO2 levels are toxic.

Temperature is important in regulating the speed of soil chemical processes that make nutrients available. Under cool soil temperatures, chemical reactions and root activity decrease, rendering nutrients less available to the crop. Portions of the plant nutrients are taken up as roots extract soil water to replenish water lost through the leaves. Cool air temperatures can lower evapotranspiration and reduce the convective flow of water and nutrients from the soil to the root.

Light intensity is low on cloudy days. Low light intensity reduces photosynthetic rates and nutrient uptake by the crop. Since low light intensity sometimes occurs when soils are waterlogged or temperatures are cool, cloud cover can exacerbate the capacity of the crop to take nutrients.

Diseases and pests can have an important impact on crop-nutrient uptake by competing for nutrients, affecting physiological capacity (such as reduction in photosynthesis rates), and diminishing root parameters through root pruning or tissue death.

Soil tests are not perfect, so a soil test value should be considered not a single value, but rather a value within a range. There are multiple reasons why soil tests are not perfect: a soil test represents a measurement at one point in time, while a crop takes nutrients through an extended period, and typically under very different soil water and temperature conditions than at the time of sampling; the information generated typically comes from a sample from the plow layer, but the crop roots extract nutrients below that layer; laboratory precision is typically within 5% to 10% of the true value. Despite these imperfections, soil testing is the most important guide to profitable applica- tion of phosphorus, potassium, and lime because it provides a framework for determining the fertility status of a field. In contrast, plant tissue analysis is typically more reliable than soil testing for secondary macronutrients and micronutrients. Since crop yield response to application of these nutrients has been very limited in Illinois, there is not a large enough database to correlate and calibrate soil-test procedures. Ratings in Table 8.1 can provide a perspective on the reliability, usefulness, and cost effectiveness of soil tests as a basis for planning a soil fertility and liming program for Illinois field crops.

Traditionally, soil testing has been used to decide how much lime and fertilizer to apply to a field. With increased emphasis on precision agriculture, economics, and the environment, soil tests are also a logical tool to determine areas where adequate or excessive fertilization has taken place. In addition, they are used to monitor the impact of past fertility practices on changes in a field’s nutrient status. Of course a soil test report can only be as accurate as the sample sent for analysis. In fact, the spatial variability of available nutrients in a field makes soil sampling the most common and greatest source of error in a soil test. To collect samples that provide a true measurement of the fertility of an area, one must determine the sampling distribution; collect samples to the proper depth; collect samples from precisely the same areas of the field that were sampled in the past; and collect samples at the proper time.

Chemical elements exist in solution as cations (positively charged ions) or anions (nega- tively charged ions). In the soil solution, the plant nutrients hydrogen (H), Ca, Mg, K, ammonium (NH4), Fe, Mn, Zn, and Cu exist as cations. The same is true for non-plant nutrients such as sodium (Na), barium (Ba), and metals of environmental concern, including mercury (Hg), cadmium (Cd), chromium (Cr), and others. Cation exchange capac- ity (CEC) is a measure of the amount of attraction for the soil with these chemical elements.

In soil, a high CEC is desirable, but not necessary, for high crop yields, as it is not a direct determining factor for yield. CEC facilitates retention of positively charged chemical elements from leaching, yet it gives nutrients to a growing plant root by an exchange of H. Cation exchange capacity in soil arises from negatively charged electrostatic charges in minerals and organic matter. The CEC of organic residues is low but increases as the residues convert to humus, which requires from 5 years to centuries. Thus, farming practices that reduce soil ero- sion and maintain soil humus favor the maintenance of CEC. It is influenced very little by fertilization, slightly decreased with soil acidification, and slightly increased with liming.

Plant analyses can be useful in diagnosing nutrient problems, identifying hidden hunger, and determining whether current fertility programs are adequate. Critical tissue-nutrient level (below which deficiency occurs) is the concentration needed for a crop to complete its life cycle. These concentrations are largely independent of soil or growing conditions, so the values typically apply across environments and provide a more reliable measurement for micronutrients and secondary nutrients than do soil tests.

Micronutrients

Boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo), and zinc (Zn) are the seven essential micronutrients (also known as minor or trace elements). Although these nutrients are required only in small (micro) amounts, if any of them is deficient, it can result in severe yield reduction. Deficiencies of these nutrients are not common, making it challenging to study and to correlate and calibrate soil tests. Micronutrient tests thus have very low reliability and usefulness.

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Nutrient availability can be impacted by soil chemical and physical properties, including parent material and naturally occurring minerals; amount of organic matter; depth to bedrock, sand, or gravel; and permeability, water holding capacity, and drainage. In addition, environmental conditions and crop characteristics have an important impact on nutrient availability. It is not unusual for crops in fields or portions of fields to show nutrient deficiencies during periods of the growing season, even where an adequate nutrient management plan is followed. The fact that nutrients are applied does not necessarily mean they are available. Plants obtain most of their nutrients and water from the soil through their root system. Any factor that restricts root growth and activity has the potential to restrict nutrient availability. This is not because nutrients are not plant available in the soil, but because the ability of the crop to take up those nutrients is restricted. Understanding how these factors can cause nutrient deficiency in crops is important to avoiding excessive concern about the need for additional fertilization when a sound nutrient program is already in place.

Soil compaction can limit or completely restrict root pene- tration and effectively reduce the volume of soil, including nutrients and water, which can be accessed by the plant. To limit soil compaction, avoid entering fields that are too wet, and minimize the weight per axle by decreasing load weight and/or increasing tire surface area in contact with the soil. Planting when soils are wet can create a com- pacted wall next to the seed that will prevent the seedling from developing an adequate root system. Tilling wet soils will result in clods that become hard and dry out quickly on the surface, preventing roots from accessing resources inside the clod.

Soil water content is critical not only to supply the water needs of the crop but also to dissolve nutrients and make them available to the plant. Excess water in the soil, however, depletes oxygen (O2) and builds up carbon dioxide (CO2) levels. While O2 is needed by roots to grow and take up nutrients, high CO2 levels are toxic.

Temperature is important in regulating the speed of soil chemical processes that make nutrients available. Under cool soil temperatures, chemical reactions and root activity decrease, rendering nutrients less available to the crop. Portions of the plant nutrients are taken up as roots extract soil water to replenish water lost through the leaves. Cool air temperatures can lower evapotranspiration and reduce the convective flow of water and nutrients from the soil to the root.

Light intensity is low on cloudy days. Low light intensity reduces photosynthetic rates and nutrient uptake by the crop. Since low light intensity sometimes occurs when soils are waterlogged or temperatures are cool, cloud cover can exacerbate the capacity of the crop to take nutrients.

Diseases and pests can have an important impact on crop-nutrient uptake by competing for nutrients, affecting physiological capacity (such as reduction in photosynthesis rates), and diminishing root parameters through root pruning or tissue death.

Soil tests are not perfect, so a soil test value should be considered not a single value, but rather a value within a range. There are multiple reasons why soil tests are not perfect: a soil test represents a measurement at one point in time, while a crop takes nutrients through an extended period, and typically under very different soil water and temperature conditions than at the time of sampling; the information generated typically comes from a sample from the plow layer, but the crop roots extract nutrients below that layer; laboratory precision is typically within 5% to 10% of the true value. Despite these imperfections, soil testing is the most important guide to profitable applica- tion of phosphorus, potassium, and lime because it provides a framework for determining the fertility status of a field. In contrast, plant tissue analysis is typically more reliable than soil testing for secondary macronutrients and micronutrients. Since crop yield response to application of these nutrients has been very limited in Illinois, there is not a large enough database to correlate and calibrate soil-test procedures. Ratings in Table 8.1 can provide a perspective on the reliability, usefulness, and cost effectiveness of soil tests as a basis for planning a soil fertility and liming program for Illinois field crops.

Traditionally, soil testing has been used to decide how much lime and fertilizer to apply to a field. With increased emphasis on precision agriculture, economics, and the environment, soil tests are also a logical tool to determine areas where adequate or excessive fertilization has taken place. In addition, they are used to monitor the impact of past fertility practices on changes in a field’s nutrient status. Of course a soil test report can only be as accurate as the sample sent for analysis. In fact, the spatial variability of available nutrients in a field makes soil sampling the most common and greatest source of error in a soil test. To collect samples that provide a true measurement of the fertility of an area, one must determine the sampling distribution; collect samples to the proper depth; collect samples from precisely the same areas of the field that were sampled in the past; and collect samples at the proper time.

Chemical elements exist in solution as cations (positively charged ions) or anions (nega- tively charged ions). In the soil solution, the plant nutrients hydrogen (H), Ca, Mg, K, ammonium (NH4), Fe, Mn, Zn, and Cu exist as cations. The same is true for non-plant nutrients such as sodium (Na), barium (Ba), and metals of environmental concern, including mercury (Hg), cadmium (Cd), chromium (Cr), and others. Cation exchange capac- ity (CEC) is a measure of the amount of attraction for the soil with these chemical elements.

In soil, a high CEC is desirable, but not necessary, for high crop yields, as it is not a direct determining factor for yield. CEC facilitates retention of positively charged chemical elements from leaching, yet it gives nutrients to a growing plant root by an exchange of H. Cation exchange capacity in soil arises from negatively charged electrostatic charges in minerals and organic matter. The CEC of organic residues is low but increases as the residues convert to humus, which requires from 5 years to centuries. Thus, farming practices that reduce soil ero- sion and maintain soil humus favor the maintenance of CEC. It is influenced very little by fertilization, slightly decreased with soil acidification, and slightly increased with liming.

Plant analyses can be useful in diagnosing nutrient problems, identifying hidden hunger, and determining whether current fertility programs are adequate. Critical tissue-nutrient level (below which deficiency occurs) is the concentration needed for a crop to complete its life cycle. These concentrations are largely independent of soil or growing conditions, so the values typically apply across environments and provide a more reliable measurement for micronutrients and secondary nutrients than do soil tests.

Micronutrients

Boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo), and zinc (Zn) are the seven essential micronutrients (also known as minor or trace elements). Although these nutrients are required only in small (micro) amounts, if any of them is deficient, it can result in severe yield reduction. Deficiencies of these nutrients are not common, making it challenging to study and to correlate and calibrate soil tests. Micronutrient tests thus have very low reliability and usefulness.

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Great post.. @Ecompost will love this also.. Now to the fun stuff of discussing.. :D

Nutrient availability is a great point because in the current times we have been blinded by the chemical companies on believing and starting this addiction literally to fertilizers.. In most cases big companies like Monsanto has a hand in every part of it.. Which don't get me a started on that shit storm of a company.. LOL.. So we start looking into NPK tests which as we know most everyone does when coming into a field..

The issue with NPK is it is all tied back to water soluble nutrients.. They knew what they was doing when they created this.. Every time you salt that field or application a little more biology goes away.. Before you know it your ground is addicted just like humans.. Our society has went to throw a chemical at anything and for anyone wanting to learn anything else it is hard to find information.. $$$$$$$$...

Prime Example: Google on how to fix an issue 99% of the time it will come up with something to sell you and you will have to dig through pages of information to find simple home remedies or organic solutions.. Corporate America is everywhere and everyone wants a slice of the pie known as American Greed

Now if your fields aren't looking like an Epsom Salt factory from all the applications then lets test to see what the real biology is in your soil and to look for any potential problems.. I am no way endorsed by any companies I just support people I believe in and at the end of the day always remember with proper biology and some good cover crops you can always fix damage that has been done. Just got to research out

Understanding the correct way to test a active nutrient cycling and good biology system.. We want to know where we are at with our microbe life.. I think everyone is fast to look at the plants and think we are feeding the plants.. Wrong in a good biology system.. We are feeding the Microbes which then the plant can produce the exudates through the rhizosphere to draw in its own batch of whatever it wants.. Believe me mother nature be cooking up some real good cookies if she is not being controlled by salts. Soil is a life and we need to remember that.. We treat our soil like shit and our plants suffer also...

Plants and Soil are one... Should look into Ray Archuleta if you haven't already.. Great speaker and knows his stuff.. Thanks @Ecompost for introducing.

Learning more on Soil Micro-biology I recommend -- Dr. Elaine Ingham



Soil Health relates to an emerging concept of soil fertility in an active rather than in a passive state. Since the late 19th century soil has been seen largely as a mere physical base on which plants grow in proportion to the nutrients removed. This idea, itself once revolutionary and innovative, is being supplanted by a newer view propounded by farmers that see biology as a necessary component in the fertility cycle. The present challenge to growers and soil labs as well as agricultural officials, is negotiating this change. The rapid growth of the agricultural nutrient industry following WWII led to a very successful business model of soil testing directly linked to supply of fertilizers. This in turn has resulted in a crop production infrastructure synchronized with nutrient supply-demand models. Modifying and possibly overturning this approach to allow biological models to be employed successfully, if it is to be a smooth transition, will require new understandings, new instrumentation and new blood. The fact that soil and plants interact in the search for and supply of nutrients and that soils actively sustain and defend plants while plants feed soil is just too important to be ignored, and could be the last frontier in the challenge to truly feed the world sustainably

Link for testing and more information.. Also I am not sponsored by any places. Just sharing knowledge



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Soil Compaction

Great points on soil compaction because most places are dealing with compaction issues and never seek help to try and understand or correct there issues.. There is plenty of basic things a lot of people can do without even having much knowledge in soil micro-biology and how it works with creating our soil structure.. I always advise Cover Crops in outdoor applications we need to get away from this horrible system of leaving the soil bare... Think of forests they aren't bare and definitely have plenty of life and diversity.. We are only the brink of this and learning how all the different plants work together to bring back ecological life in the soil.. If interested I do have some good sources on cover crops you can private message me if interested on learning more and what works best for breaking compaction or adding nitrogen etc..

Tilling I strongly advise not to do unless it is the absolute last thing you can do.. Just remember when you come through with a till you are killing all your beneficial fungi,nematodes,arthropods,etc.. Think of fungi like a spider web and when you walk through it.. Same concept you are shredding all the good guys except if I walk through a spider web I am in a panic and stop drop and rolling LMAO. .. You will see an initial green up from the added oxygen and then all your bad bacteria will eat on a massive level very quickly all your water soluble nutrients and then you see the horrible weed fields like what happens when you destroy nature and don't give back.. I would always recommend a good Fungi Dominated Compost Tea sprayed on the back end of your tilling..

Temperature

Is absolutely a big thing to do with microbial life also.. Think of us in cold weather.. We are slow to move and I don't know about you but I hate it.. Same thing with Microbes if your soil or your brewing your times could fluctuate.. Microbes are just like us and sounds crazy, but they will adjust to your growing ways or conditions over time.. You take care of your soil life and your plants will thrive.. Why I can tell people all day they don't need all these nutrients that in most cases your environment is key to good healthy plants. Oh and you can't polish a turd if you have bad genetics.. LOL

Diseases and Pests

That is another thing I believe a lot of people forgot about a healthy soil and eco life.. Plants have survived millions of years without us salting them or spraying them with pesticides etc.. You start getting your good beneficial insects and good soil life then diseases and pests will be a thing of the past unless freak accidents like your neighbors cow gets hungry and tries eating your plants.. Real talk.. LOL



While speaking about this can be a very sketchy subject because we are in a world of chemical applications.. We would not be in this current situation of crisis in our soil micro-biology if we didn't have corrupt companies like MONSANTO that produce knowingly and market it to ruin people's property and lives quite literally..

Believe me we can all sit back and be like nah I wouldn't fall for that on some farmers who lost there farms, but you would be quite surprised just how persuading some of the chemical reps can be and marketing.. Look at huge companies like Advanced Nutrients and the recent cases.. When you think you cannot grow your corn crop to feed your family and pay your bills then people say okay add the amount of nitrogen in salt fertilizer I need..

Link on me calling out advanced nutrients for da haters.. Use what you want I will not go against you.. I just do not support it.. I am not saying I don't use them or haven't.. I am just saying I am making changes and trying to help others at the same time.. One day I hope we can all help others to change there way of thinking and help our planet and garden as a whole..



I would love to continue this conversation more with my friends and lets all talk don't be shy.. We all have to start somewhere and help others to make this change.. =)

I am sure I missed a lot of points, but that is where I hope we can get some people talking to help me since I am not perfect and love discussions like this also I am sure not grammatically correct since we all know it is Growing Season..

Take care friend and hope everyone's plants are doing well.. =)

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I am back.. Had to go tend some outdoor gardens.. Growing time friends so busy busy..

Back to the discussion since I left it kind of basic example of cover crops.. Cover Crops are a great tool, but if you are like me or anyone who doesn't have the time to wait whether it be a months or a year then we need to get the biology in your media and now understand the basic concepts.

How are we going to do this? Well if you don't have the years and are not doing massive agriculture like corn farming etc then you need a product for good biology.. Remember there is bad biology and good biology.. Example: Bad biology is fungus gnats in your media and plant issues etc..

Well if you are not a soil micro-biologist or invested a massacre of time studying and want instant results without cooking soils or using harmful synthetics then I would look into Better Organix.. As I have spoke of I was a heavy synthetic user and I had a friend years back reach out to me and take me under there wing and show me the correct ways to garden and teach me.

I am in no way slandering or putting down any other organic products on the market.. I just look at a study and facts from Dr.Elaine Ingham and others that I believe was roughly 75% of "Organic" bottled nutrients had little to no microbe life.. The company wanted to argue stating there is no way you can know that.. LOL Needless to say you can see now how people can believe why compost tea or full organic nutrients can get a bad image... I fell in love with microbes after I seen the results and purchased a scope for myself to see the cool microbe life. :D

If you don't believe me you can look at my grow log.. I am testing pretty much every vegetable and fruit with BOX or "Better Organix" in a soil-less media with no synthetics added.. The point is not to persuade you to purchase the product I am simply showing you with picture proof that you can produce the finest products on the market with simply working with microbes and understanding how fungi/bacteria ratios work with our natures systems.. If you do want a quality product that I can guarantee you will see results in any media or even to get good biology on a larger scale of acres then take my advice.. I have nothing to give but things I have learned over time and I would look into Better Organix and you will see the results in anything you grow and know it's fully organic and will give great nutrition to you and your family or some super fine smoke with your herb.

Remember at the end of the day the whole message we should be sharing to everyone in our community and other farms is more sustainable ways and how to turn our nasty dirt into good organic soil. =) Because at the end of the day sharing is caring and I want everyone of my herb friends to enjoy the finest quality of smoke or food.. I can promise once you start using tasting and seeing the results you will never look at any chemical fertilizer the same.. That is real talk with Moto

Whatever direction you choose I hope everyone learns the basics of being fully organic so we are not only growing great produce or smoke, but also knowing we are not putting any toxins or a lot worse things into any human being..That at the end of the day is what I hope for everyone who takes the time to read this.

If you would like anymore information don't be hesistant to send me a private message or check my grow journal and share to learn more about Better Organix or anything I have discussed.

Take Care and Happy Growing
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deadly microbial jiu jitsu is for keeps! eddy brovo might learn something from 'em.

You know how it is.. Sometimes you just gotta cut a fool... LOL Unfortunately in that case it was a Root Feeding Nematode.. LOL

Mother nature doesn't like move quickly if she doesn't have to.. we are just using microbes and biology to speed the process massively instead of smoking joints waiting years to get that optimum biology for anything you plant with quick results =)..

Treat mother nature and your biology well and your results will be bountiful..

Shoutout to @SpiderK for the discussion and sharing.. :D
 
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Nutrient availability can be impacted by soil chemical and physical properties, including parent material and naturally occurring minerals; amount of organic matter; depth to bedrock, sand, or gravel; and permeability, water holding capacity, and drainage. In addition, environmental conditions and crop characteristics have an important impact on nutrient availability. It is not unusual for crops in fields or portions of fields to show nutrient deficiencies during periods of the growing season, even where an adequate nutrient management plan is followed. The fact that nutrients are applied does not necessarily mean they are available. Plants obtain most of their nutrients and water from the soil through their root system. Any factor that restricts root growth and activity has the potential to restrict nutrient availability. This is not because nutrients are not plant available in the soil, but because the ability of the crop to take up those nutrients is restricted. Understanding how these factors can cause nutrient deficiency in crops is important to avoiding excessive concern about the need for additional fertilization when a sound nutrient program is already in place.

Soil compaction can limit or completely restrict root pene- tration and effectively reduce the volume of soil, including nutrients and water, which can be accessed by the plant. To limit soil compaction, avoid entering fields that are too wet, and minimize the weight per axle by decreasing load weight and/or increasing tire surface area in contact with the soil. Planting when soils are wet can create a com- pacted wall next to the seed that will prevent the seedling from developing an adequate root system. Tilling wet soils will result in clods that become hard and dry out quickly on the surface, preventing roots from accessing resources inside the clod.

Soil water content is critical not only to supply the water needs of the crop but also to dissolve nutrients and make them available to the plant. Excess water in the soil, however, depletes oxygen (O2) and builds up carbon dioxide (CO2) levels. While O2 is needed by roots to grow and take up nutrients, high CO2 levels are toxic.

Temperature is important in regulating the speed of soil chemical processes that make nutrients available. Under cool soil temperatures, chemical reactions and root activity decrease, rendering nutrients less available to the crop. Portions of the plant nutrients are taken up as roots extract soil water to replenish water lost through the leaves. Cool air temperatures can lower evapotranspiration and reduce the convective flow of water and nutrients from the soil to the root.

Light intensity is low on cloudy days. Low light intensity reduces photosynthetic rates and nutrient uptake by the crop. Since low light intensity sometimes occurs when soils are waterlogged or temperatures are cool, cloud cover can exacerbate the capacity of the crop to take nutrients.

Diseases and pests can have an important impact on crop-nutrient uptake by competing for nutrients, affecting physiological capacity (such as reduction in photosynthesis rates), and diminishing root parameters through root pruning or tissue death.

Soil tests are not perfect, so a soil test value should be considered not a single value, but rather a value within a range. There are multiple reasons why soil tests are not perfect: a soil test represents a measurement at one point in time, while a crop takes nutrients through an extended period, and typically under very different soil water and temperature conditions than at the time of sampling; the information generated typically comes from a sample from the plow layer, but the crop roots extract nutrients below that layer; laboratory precision is typically within 5% to 10% of the true value. Despite these imperfections, soil testing is the most important guide to profitable applica- tion of phosphorus, potassium, and lime because it provides a framework for determining the fertility status of a field. In contrast, plant tissue analysis is typically more reliable than soil testing for secondary macronutrients and micronutrients. Since crop yield response to application of these nutrients has been very limited in Illinois, there is not a large enough database to correlate and calibrate soil-test procedures. Ratings in Table 8.1 can provide a perspective on the reliability, usefulness, and cost effectiveness of soil tests as a basis for planning a soil fertility and liming program for Illinois field crops.

Traditionally, soil testing has been used to decide how much lime and fertilizer to apply to a field. With increased emphasis on precision agriculture, economics, and the environment, soil tests are also a logical tool to determine areas where adequate or excessive fertilization has taken place. In addition, they are used to monitor the impact of past fertility practices on changes in a field’s nutrient status. Of course a soil test report can only be as accurate as the sample sent for analysis. In fact, the spatial variability of available nutrients in a field makes soil sampling the most common and greatest source of error in a soil test. To collect samples that provide a true measurement of the fertility of an area, one must determine the sampling distribution; collect samples to the proper depth; collect samples from precisely the same areas of the field that were sampled in the past; and collect samples at the proper time.

Chemical elements exist in solution as cations (positively charged ions) or anions (nega- tively charged ions). In the soil solution, the plant nutrients hydrogen (H), Ca, Mg, K, ammonium (NH4), Fe, Mn, Zn, and Cu exist as cations. The same is true for non-plant nutrients such as sodium (Na), barium (Ba), and metals of environmental concern, including mercury (Hg), cadmium (Cd), chromium (Cr), and others. Cation exchange capac- ity (CEC) is a measure of the amount of attraction for the soil with these chemical elements.

In soil, a high CEC is desirable, but not necessary, for high crop yields, as it is not a direct determining factor for yield. CEC facilitates retention of positively charged chemical elements from leaching, yet it gives nutrients to a growing plant root by an exchange of H. Cation exchange capacity in soil arises from negatively charged electrostatic charges in minerals and organic matter. The CEC of organic residues is low but increases as the residues convert to humus, which requires from 5 years to centuries. Thus, farming practices that reduce soil ero- sion and maintain soil humus favor the maintenance of CEC. It is influenced very little by fertilization, slightly decreased with soil acidification, and slightly increased with liming.

Plant analyses can be useful in diagnosing nutrient problems, identifying hidden hunger, and determining whether current fertility programs are adequate. Critical tissue-nutrient level (below which deficiency occurs) is the concentration needed for a crop to complete its life cycle. These concentrations are largely independent of soil or growing conditions, so the values typically apply across environments and provide a more reliable measurement for micronutrients and secondary nutrients than do soil tests.

Micronutrients

Boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo), and zinc (Zn) are the seven essential micronutrients (also known as minor or trace elements). Although these nutrients are required only in small (micro) amounts, if any of them is deficient, it can result in severe yield reduction. Deficiencies of these nutrients are not common, making it challenging to study and to correlate and calibrate soil tests. Micronutrient tests thus have very low reliability and usefulness.

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just to add...since this is a global site and people add volcanic materials I noted and who knows where this is sourced?...Although the majority of the world’s soils have CEC, the highly weathered soils of the tropics are an exception. In addition to the having CEC, many tropical soils also have an ‘anion exchange capacity,’ or AEC, depending upon the pH of the soil. Under neutral and alkaline conditions, the soil has CEC, like the less weathered soils. However, under acidic conditions, these soils generate AEC. This means that the soil becomes positively charged and attracts, retains, and supplies negatively charged anions, such as sulfate, phosphate, nitrate, and chloride. For soils with AEC, proper management of pH is crucial in order to provide sufficient amounts of the nutrient cations (calcium, magnesium, ammonium, and potassium).

Minerals that exhibit AEC are highly weathered kaolinite, aluminum and iron oxides, organic matter, and the allophanes and imogolites of volcanic soils. Highly weathered Ultisols and Oxisols, volcanic Andisols, and organic Histosols all have AEC under acidic conditions. The pH at which these soils develop AEC differs depending upon the minerals within the soil. Since organic matter only generates AEC at a very low pH, it is still a good source of CEC.

Minerals that exhibit AEC are highly weathered kaolinite, aluminum and iron oxides, organic matter, and the allophanes and imogolites of volcanic soils. Highly weathered Ultisols and Oxisols, volcanic Andisols, and organic Histosols all have AEC under acidic conditions. The pH at which these soils develop AEC differs depending upon the minerals within the soil. Since organic matter only generates AEC at a very low pH, it is still a good source of CEC.

CEC and AEC helps us predict the leaching potential of certain nutrients in areas with high rainfall. When the soil has a very high CEC, negatively charged nutrients such as nitrate are not be retained by the soil. Instead, nitrate leaches through the soil profile in areas with high amounts of precipitation. Likewise, soils with high AEC experience leaching of positively charged nutrients, such as calcium and potassium.
CEC is often expressed in centimoles of charge per kg of soil. By sending a sample of your soil to a soil testing laboratory, you can determine your soil’s CEC. The value of knowing a soil’s CEC cannot be underestimated in nutrient management. Without it, your soil would not be able to provide your plants with sufficient amounts of nutrients. However, one must be cautious when interpreting the laboratory results for CEC depending on the soil type being analyzed. You can obtain accurate results for most laboratory methods that measure CEC in less weathered soils with permanently negative charge. On the other hand, these laboratory methods can overestimate the CEC of highly weathered soils that have an AEC. This is because the pH of highly weathered soils affects the CEC of the soil. As the pH of highly weathered soils with AEC increases, the CEC of the soil also increases. Thus when the method used to determine the CEC uses solutions that raise the pH of the soil, the reported CEC is higher than its actual value in the field. :)

It is also possible that Phosphates exist as compounds that cross the cation and anion line, for example, common Tri phosphates that have both properties and so I think its helpful to move the conversation on from these fixed visions of plants and elements that are always constructed with bias while we work out how to interpret new data, but somehow make there way in to some fact sheet which is just bollocks.. Humans are forever setting so called standards which are rarely a reality, more a tool for science and its presentation or continued corruption. For example, is the speed of light a constant, or is this just something science made up to help them justify the narratives popular today, or rather a sign we dont have a fucking clue if you are me, and so making it up to best suit a time.....Phosphorous compounds are mobile at varied rates of pH, hence the term, swing the pH to find the P..... a Plant P is made ready either by way of interactions with PSB's of gram negative or gram positive nature, or via Fungal symbiosis or simple root diffusion for example, typically determining whats what when cation or anion. It is a much over used nutrient, causing many problems around the world. Plants need it, but soil suffers when we give too much, it becomes self defeating, the more you add, the more you need, the faster the fixed pool grows.

But agreed, good discussion and thanks for making time. Not enough people test for what might be needed, hence we have declining soil systems and a future of bleak food quality.
 
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Great post.. @Ecompost will love this also.. Now to the fun stuff of discussing.. :D

Nutrient availability is a great point because in the current times we have been blinded by the chemical companies on believing and starting this addiction literally to fertilizers.. In most cases big companies like Monsanto has a hand in every part of it.. Which don't get me a started on that shit storm of a company.. LOL.. So we start looking into NPK tests which as we know most everyone does when coming into a field..

The issue with NPK is it is all tied back to water soluble nutrients.. They knew what they was doing when they created this.. Every time you salt that field or application a little more biology goes away.. Before you know it your ground is addicted just like humans.. Our society has went to throw a chemical at anything and for anyone wanting to learn anything else it is hard to find information.. $$$$$$$$...

Prime Example: Google on how to fix an issue 99% of the time it will come up with something to sell you and you will have to dig through pages of information to find simple home remedies or organic solutions.. Corporate America is everywhere and everyone wants a slice of the pie known as American Greed

Now if your fields aren't looking like an Epsom Salt factory from all the applications then lets test to see what the real biology is in your soil and to look for any potential problems.. I am no way endorsed by any companies I just support people I believe in and at the end of the day always remember with proper biology and some good cover crops you can always fix damage that has been done. Just got to research out

Understanding the correct way to test a active nutrient cycling and good biology system.. We want to know where we are at with our microbe life.. I think everyone is fast to look at the plants and think we are feeding the plants.. Wrong in a good biology system.. We are feeding the Microbes which then the plant can produce the exudates through the rhizosphere to draw in its own batch of whatever it wants.. Believe me mother nature be cooking up some real good cookies if she is not being controlled by salts. Soil is a life and we need to remember that.. We treat our soil like shit and our plants suffer also...

Plants and Soil are one... Should look into Ray Archuleta if you haven't already.. Great speaker and knows his stuff.. Thanks @Ecompost for introducing.

Learning more on Soil Micro-biology I recommend -- Dr. Elaine Ingham



Soil Health relates to an emerging concept of soil fertility in an active rather than in a passive state. Since the late 19th century soil has been seen largely as a mere physical base on which plants grow in proportion to the nutrients removed. This idea, itself once revolutionary and innovative, is being supplanted by a newer view propounded by farmers that see biology as a necessary component in the fertility cycle. The present challenge to growers and soil labs as well as agricultural officials, is negotiating this change. The rapid growth of the agricultural nutrient industry following WWII led to a very successful business model of soil testing directly linked to supply of fertilizers. This in turn has resulted in a crop production infrastructure synchronized with nutrient supply-demand models. Modifying and possibly overturning this approach to allow biological models to be employed successfully, if it is to be a smooth transition, will require new understandings, new instrumentation and new blood. The fact that soil and plants interact in the search for and supply of nutrients and that soils actively sustain and defend plants while plants feed soil is just too important to be ignored, and could be the last frontier in the challenge to truly feed the world sustainably

Link for testing and more information.. Also I am not sponsored by any places. Just sharing knowledge



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Soil Compaction

Great points on soil compaction because most places are dealing with compaction issues and never seek help to try and understand or correct there issues.. There is plenty of basic things a lot of people can do without even having much knowledge in soil micro-biology and how it works with creating our soil structure.. I always advise Cover Crops in outdoor applications we need to get away from this horrible system of leaving the soil bare... Think of forests they aren't bare and definitely have plenty of life and diversity.. We are only the brink of this and learning how all the different plants work together to bring back ecological life in the soil.. If interested I do have some good sources on cover crops you can private message me if interested on learning more and what works best for breaking compaction or adding nitrogen etc..

Tilling I strongly advise not to do unless it is the absolute last thing you can do.. Just remember when you come through with a till you are killing all your beneficial fungi,nematodes,arthropods,etc.. Think of fungi like a spider web and when you walk through it.. Same concept you are shredding all the good guys except if I walk through a spider web I am in a panic and stop drop and rolling LMAO. .. You will see an initial green up from the added oxygen and then all your bad bacteria will eat on a massive level very quickly all your water soluble nutrients and then you see the horrible weed fields like what happens when you destroy nature and don't give back.. I would always recommend a good Fungi Dominated Compost Tea sprayed on the back end of your tilling..

Temperature

Is absolutely a big thing to do with microbial life also.. Think of us in cold weather.. We are slow to move and I don't know about you but I hate it.. Same thing with Microbes if your soil or your brewing your times could fluctuate.. Microbes are just like us and sounds crazy, but they will adjust to your growing ways or conditions over time.. You take care of your soil life and your plants will thrive.. Why I can tell people all day they don't need all these nutrients that in most cases your environment is key to good healthy plants. Oh and you can't polish a turd if you have bad genetics.. LOL

Diseases and Pests

That is another thing I believe a lot of people forgot about a healthy soil and eco life.. Plants have survived millions of years without us salting them or spraying them with pesticides etc.. You start getting your good beneficial insects and good soil life then diseases and pests will be a thing of the past unless freak accidents like your neighbors cow gets hungry and tries eating your plants.. Real talk.. LOL



While speaking about this can be a very sketchy subject because we are in a world of chemical applications.. We would not be in this current situation of crisis in our soil micro-biology if we didn't have corrupt companies like MONSANTO that produce knowingly and market it to ruin people's property and lives quite literally..

Believe me we can all sit back and be like nah I wouldn't fall for that on some farmers who lost there farms, but you would be quite surprised just how persuading some of the chemical reps can be and marketing.. Look at huge companies like Advanced Nutrients and the recent cases.. When you think you cannot grow your corn crop to feed your family and pay your bills then people say okay add the amount of nitrogen in salt fertilizer I need..

Link on me calling out advanced nutrients for da haters.. Use what you want I will not go against you.. I just do not support it.. I am not saying I don't use them or haven't.. I am just saying I am making changes and trying to help others at the same time.. One day I hope we can all help others to change there way of thinking and help our planet and garden as a whole..



I would love to continue this conversation more with my friends and lets all talk don't be shy.. We all have to start somewhere and help others to make this change.. =)

I am sure I missed a lot of points, but that is where I hope we can get some people talking to help me since I am not perfect and love discussions like this also I am sure not grammatically correct since we all know it is Growing Season..

Take care friend and hope everyone's plants are doing well.. =)

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thanks for tagging me, yes very interesting this. I keep seeing people miss diagnosing what i believe to be a toxicity of Mn since people are obsessed with adding shit in to so called super soils, without really understanding the basics of soil, how its made, from what where etc.,its often getting rallied as a lack of P, and so in goes more Bloom feed, which likely also has the micros, on top of the mineral rich soil...and so it gets worse.... Just so we are clear...

Manganese toxicity
Manganese toxicity can become a problem in soils with manganese-containing minerals. When these minerals dissolve, manganese ions are released into the soil solution. Although manganese is an essential plant nutrient, excessive quantities of manganese may be detrimental to plant growth.

Manganese toxicity symptoms include yellowing of leaves (chlorosis) of older leaves, which darken into small, brown spots. Although crop tolerance of manganese toxicity varies, most crops are sensitive to high levels of manganese. For example, manganese toxicity will result in the “sudden crash” syndrome of watermelon, in which plants suddenly wilt and die. Cases of “sudden crash” have been reported.

Conditions that cause manganese toxicity
Manganese toxicity can develop in soils that contain manganese-minerals. Moist, organic soils under acidic conditions are especially susceptible. Like aluminum toxicity, management of pH is very important. When the soil pH drops below 5.2, manganese minerals become highly soluble and perhaps toxic. Farmers may reduce manganese toxicity by liming as a short term fix and aerating fields as a more lng term sustainable apporach. Aeration may be accomplished by irrigating less or draining water from fields or via careful water management and adaptive landscaping before we consider the plant biology and its relevant position on the land.
 
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just to add...since this is a global site and people add volcanic materials I noted and who knows where this is sourced?...Although the majority of the world’s soils have CEC, the highly weathered soils of the tropics are an exception. In addition to the having CEC, many tropical soils also have an ‘anion exchange capacity,’ or AEC, depending upon the pH of the soil. Under neutral and alkaline conditions, the soil has CEC, like the less weathered soils. However, under acidic conditions, these soils generate AEC. This means that the soil becomes positively charged and attracts, retains, and supplies negatively charged anions, such as sulfate, phosphate, nitrate, and chloride. For soils with AEC, proper management of pH is crucial in order to provide sufficient amounts of the nutrient cations (calcium, magnesium, ammonium, and potassium).

Minerals that exhibit AEC are highly weathered kaolinite, aluminum and iron oxides, organic matter, and the allophanes and imogolites of volcanic soils. Highly weathered Ultisols and Oxisols, volcanic Andisols, and organic Histosols all have AEC under acidic conditions. The pH at which these soils develop AEC differs depending upon the minerals within the soil. Since organic matter only generates AEC at a very low pH, it is still a good source of CEC.

Minerals that exhibit AEC are highly weathered kaolinite, aluminum and iron oxides, organic matter, and the allophanes and imogolites of volcanic soils. Highly weathered Ultisols and Oxisols, volcanic Andisols, and organic Histosols all have AEC under acidic conditions. The pH at which these soils develop AEC differs depending upon the minerals within the soil. Since organic matter only generates AEC at a very low pH, it is still a good source of CEC.

CEC and AEC helps us predict the leaching potential of certain nutrients in areas with high rainfall. When the soil has a very high CEC, negatively charged nutrients such as nitrate are not be retained by the soil. Instead, nitrate leaches through the soil profile in areas with high amounts of precipitation. Likewise, soils with high AEC experience leaching of positively charged nutrients, such as calcium and potassium.
CEC is often expressed in centimoles of charge per kg of soil. By sending a sample of your soil to a soil testing laboratory, you can determine your soil’s CEC. The value of knowing a soil’s CEC cannot be underestimated in nutrient management. Without it, your soil would not be able to provide your plants with sufficient amounts of nutrients. However, one must be cautious when interpreting the laboratory results for CEC depending on the soil type being analyzed. You can obtain accurate results for most laboratory methods that measure CEC in less weathered soils with permanently negative charge. On the other hand, these laboratory methods can overestimate the CEC of highly weathered soils that have an AEC. This is because the pH of highly weathered soils affects the CEC of the soil. As the pH of highly weathered soils with AEC increases, the CEC of the soil also increases. Thus when the method used to determine the CEC uses solutions that raise the pH of the soil, the reported CEC is higher than its actual value in the field. :)

It is also possible that Phosphates exist as compounds that cross the cation and anion line, for example, common Tri phosphates that have both properties and so I think its helpful to move the conversation on from these fixed visions of plants and elements that are always constructed with bias while we work out how to interpret new data, but somehow make there way in to some fact sheet which is just bollocks.. Humans are forever setting so called standards which are rarely a reality, more a tool for science and its presentation or continued corruption. For example, is the speed of light a constant, or is this just something science made up to help them justify the narratives popular today, or rather a sign we dont have a fucking clue if you are me, and so making it up to best suit a time.....Phosphorous compounds are mobile at varied rates of pH, hence the term, swing the pH to find the P..... a Plant P is made ready either by way of interactions with PSB's of gram negative or gram positive nature, or via Fungal symbiosis or simple root diffusion for example, typically determining whats what when cation or anion. It is a much over used nutrient, causing many problems around the world. Plants need it, but soil suffers when we give too much, it becomes self defeating, the more you add, the more you need, the faster the fixed pool grows.

But agreed, good discussion and thanks for making time. Not enough people test for what might be needed, hence we have declining soil systems and a future of bleak food quality.
great info brother,knew you wouldnt be able to stay away from this one,lmao
 
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I think @Savage Henry would also enjoy this post and have some valuable inputs from his own studies on nutrients etc
something about them numbers,i was with yall till numbers came into the equation and that was it for me,for some reason my brain hooks a left turn when words and number combine,lmao i know crazy,but i am crazy,lmao
 
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lost me there,is this a packaged soil you talking about,shit i enjoy building my own ,love the smell ,feel,and the whole nine yards,i even play in the shit,lmao,this last batch turned out pretty equal with my sand ,silt and clay,no time to build some magic in there,i got 2 boxes that i made that need to go to work,those 2 boxes i built last time did good on tomatoe plants,but i did come up with end rot on a couple of them and all the studies i came across say calcium and mag,issues,the base of that mix was peat moss,like i said its doing good but i would have prefered more soil over the peat,it really does dry out quick would be great for indoor grow though,as my compost breaks down i will add in more soil each year
 
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lost me there,is this a packaged soil you talking about,shit i enjoy building my own ,love the smell ,feel,and the whole nine yards,i even play in the shit,lmao,this last batch turned out pretty equal with my sand ,silt and clay,no time to build some magic in there,i got 2 boxes that i made that need to go to work,those 2 boxes i built last time did good on tomatoe plants,but i did come up with end rot on a couple of them and all the studies i came across say calcium and mag,issues,the base of that mix was peat moss,like i said its doing good but i would have prefered more soil over the peat,it really does dry out quick would be great for indoor grow though,as my compost breaks down i will add in more soil each year
nutrients I think mate for certain tasks, eg improving terps flavor and shit, may be he will say when he drops by if he does?
 
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