Sour d 8 weeks this coming Wednesday

[Tasty Buds]

I would love to jump into the led. But As I’m reading the rated hours on them at 53,000 hours for some of them that’s only like two or three years until they start to degrade him for the money I’m not convinced yet don’t get me wrong they yield better than they used to but is it still worth of money considering after three years you’ll be down to 75%

I don't know all that much about LEDs, besides you can dial in the "best spectrums"
What would be the reason you've given it thought?
The only benefits i know of, is heat, and electric.
Do you know how many lumens per watt a good LED will put out?

 

[LexLuthor]

I don't know all that much about LEDs, besides you can dial in the "best spectrums"
What would be the reason you've given it thought?
The only benefits i know of, is heat, and electric.
Do you know how many lumens per watt a good LED will put out?

The best LED's I seen were a 650w with 112,000 lumens. The main difference is those lumens are spread out among 1000+ small light bulbs. With HPS everything comes from 1 powerful bulb. That is why HPS has better canopy penetration, something the LED's cannot compete with as of right now.

Look up Desertsquirrel in the search bar, he was pulling 4 lbs a light with air cooled 1k's using an undercurrent back in 2011, the plants were MASSIVE. I heard somebody on here hitting 3 lbs a light with LED's, but when you look at the plants they are very small compared to what I seen when people hit 3 lbs a light. It turned out he would weigh his bud before it was completely dried and cured

Anyways, it's good to see someone growing big ass buds with a HPS, I miss that shit.

 

[Zelkova12]

I probably shouldn't have said never, but not yet. As I left the game, there was a rediculous amount of bs comparisons, paid for by the LED companies.
When I 1st started using 1k HPS, I was paying $75-100 for a name brand bulb. Even if I only replace 25, that's still expensive (I replaced every 3-4 grows, even though no fall off in yield.
Anyway they made $23 bulbs (turned out in the same factory as the Lumas.) I did 12 tables with the cheap bulbs, and the rest with the $100 bulbs. I had no fall off in yield. From then in cheap bulbs for me :)
As for the LEDs, when, if they became affordable short, and long run, if I see someone out yield me using LEDs, then I'd think about it.
I just don't see how ya could fit more bud under a light than this, or this. I don't compare buds to lighters, i compare them to chairs lol. Ever seen an LED produce 6 ft coolas?
The giants were under 1ks, the middle (a 2+ lb 600 watt HPS, and my avatar was a small breeding project under a 250 in a coffee cup) These are older pics, but still have S1's I've made myself, and may as well be clones.
I've posted these before, but I'd like to see anyone gets these yields witg anything besides HPS. The one against the water jug was grown in a Hempy 100% pearlite, under a 250. Ya can see the cups against the wall. 12+ oz under 250 W HPS. Yes, I have elite genetics, but I'm sure there's an LED grower with elite as well.
Finally, I lost so many other pics years ago. My E Coast SD was a larger yielder than any of these, and 2 of my own crosses beat all.
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your all good. I am just happy people actually check out my grows. my friend does old school technalora 1000w horrtilux. his buds are like 1 liters bottle

 

[Zelkova12]

The best LED's I seen were a 650w with 112,000 lumens. The main difference is those lumens are spread out among 1000+ small light bulbs. With HPS everything comes from 1 powerful bulb. That is why HPS has better canopy penetration, something the LED's cannot compete with as of right now.

Look up Desertsquirrel in the search bar, he was pulling 4 lbs a light with air cooled 1k's using an undercurrent back in 2011, the plants were MASSIVE. I heard somebody on here hitting 3 lbs a light with LED's, but when you look at the plants they are very small compared to what I seen when people hit 3 lbs a light. It turned out he would weigh his bud before it was completely dried and cured

Anyways, it's good to see someone growing big ass buds with a HPS, I miss that shit.

my first ever run a a 400w hortilux. pulled 14oz one plant. invalid.com deuracing

 

[Tasty Buds]

The best LED's I seen were a 650w with 112,000 lumens. The main difference is those lumens are spread out among 1000+ small light bulbs. With HPS everything comes from 1 powerful bulb. That is why HPS has better canopy penetration, something the LED's cannot compete with as of right now.

Look up Desertsquirrel in the search bar, he was pulling 4 lbs a light with air cooled 1k's using an undercurrent back in 2011, the plants were MASSIVE. I heard somebody on here hitting 3 lbs a light with LED's, but when you look at the plants they are very small compared to what I seen when people hit 3 lbs a light. It turned out he would weigh his bud before it was completely dried and cured

Anyways, it's good to see someone growing big ass buds with a HPS, I miss that shit.

Thanks! I'd imagine no matter how good a board of LEDs where some of those lights would be defective, or die.
112k lumens is about what a 600 hps puts out, but that made complete sence.
Was it the propaganda videos etc that got people away from HPS?
HPS MAY cost more to run, but ya make up for it in yield. Well, with no experience, that's the conclusion I got

 

[Zelkova12]

 

[LexLuthor]

Thanks! I'd imagine no matter how good a board of LEDs where some of those lights would be defective, or die.
112k lumens is about what a 600 hps puts out, but that made complete sence.
Was it the propaganda videos etc that got people away from HPS?
HPS MAY cost more to run, but ya make up for it in yield. Well, with no experience, that's the conclusion I got

Exactly, a 600w HPS is around 95,000 lumens, so when people say LED are 2-3 times more efficient it is complete bullshit, maybe 20-30% at most. The LED companies have been marketing online and in hydro shops since I created this account in 2011-2012, alot of lies about efficiency and output. It's funny when you look at a thread where people argue about lights, you can see a new member jump in and always claim they get more yield with LED It's like bro, you got 22 comments and just created this account 2 days ago, who the hell are you??? I have seen that a dozen times just in the past couple months.

I took a 8 year layoff from growing to start a construction company, now I'm done with that and want to start growing again. So I came on here a few months ago to get back in touch with the community and everybody from back in the day is gone and now they all use LED's.

I believe it was a mostly the marketing, they do have way better lights nowadays compared to what they use to have. The LED's are better than HPS is some regards, but not everything, especially yield.

I digress, sorry for thread jacking, keep us updated on these plants please, I want to see the final product.

 

[growsince79]

It's so nice to see good old reliable, high yielding NUKE EM HPS.
I stopped for the past few years to raise my kids. I come back to this forum, and the LED propaganda brainwashed everyone into growing dime sized (although pretty) bud..LED's will NEVER do what HPS has been doing forever

What led are you using now or have in the past? Just wondering I use both.

 

[Zelkova12]

Exactly, a 600w HPS is around 95,000 lumens, so when people say LED are 2-3 times more efficient it is complete bullshit, maybe 20-30% at most. The LED companies have been marketing online and in hydro shops since I created this account in 2011-2012, alot of lies about efficiency and output. It's funny when you look at a thread where people argue about lights, you can see a new member jump in and always claim they get more yield with LED It's like bro, you got 22 comments and just created this account 2 days ago, who the hell are you??? I have seen that a dozen times just in the past couple months.

I took a 8 year layoff from growing to start a construction company, now I'm done with that and want to start growing again. So I came on here a few months ago to get back in touch with the community and everybody from back in the day is gone and now they all use LED's.

I believe it was a mostly the marketing, they do have way better lights nowadays compared to what they use to have. The LED's are better than HPS is some regards, but not everything, especially yield.

I digress, sorry for thread jacking, keep us updated on these plants please, I want to see the final product.

I’m still here man. Lol same had 7 years off

 

[Zelkova12]

That's a nice setup, are they air cooled and what's the ventilation for the tent? Just curious because alot of people nowadays say it's too hot to run 1k hps lights in a tent, but obviously not for you, looks like your smashing it.

Man people are just afraid. They forget it’s a weed it’s gonna grow

 

[growsince79]

I would love to jump into the led. But As I’m reading the rated hours on them at 53,000 hours for some of them that’s only like two or three years until they start to degrade him for the money I’m not convinced yet don’t get me wrong they yield better than they used to but is it still worth of money considering after three years you’ll be down to 75%

2-3 years? At 18 hrs that would be 8 years 12 years at 12hrs/day. But I think the new LEDs are supposed to last 100000 hrs.

 

[dspucch]

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"LEDs are notable for being extremely long-lasting products. Many LEDs have a rated life of up to 50,000 hours. This is approximately 50 times longer than a typical incandescent, 20-25 times longer than a typical halogen, and 8-10 times longer than a typical CFL. Used 12 hours a day, a 50,000 bulb will last more than 11 years. Used 8 hours a day, it will last 17 years!"

 

[LexLuthor]

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"LEDs are notable for being extremely long-lasting products. Many LEDs have a rated life of up to 50,000 hours. This is approximately 50 times longer than a typical incandescent, 20-25 times longer than a typical halogen, and 8-10 times longer than a typical CFL. Used 12 hours a day, a 50,000 bulb will last more than 11 years. Used 8 hours a day, it will last 17 years!"

I just googled how long a HPS bulb lasts and it says 24,000 hours. Nobody uses a HPS anywhere close to that long because the output drops off. LED manufacturers can say a light will last 50,000 hours but their will be a significant drop off in output.

 

[Zelkova12]

So I got a question for you guys how many have actually grown sour diesel. I’m thinking 11 weeks then 2-3 day flush. Today is day 56. Just started to finally swell

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"LEDs are notable for being extremely long-lasting products. Many LEDs have a rated life of up to 50,000 hours. This is approximately 50 times longer than a typical incandescent, 20-25 times longer than a typical halogen, and 8-10 times longer than a typical CFL. Used 12 hours a day, a 50,000 bulb will last more than 11 years. Used 8 hours a day, it will last 17 years!"

not gonna lie the new compact gavita is bad ass. But for limited height like indoor tents. Not the best idea

 

[LexLuthor]

I've never grown Sour Diesel, but 11 weeks sounds about right for that strain.

Do you have a jewelers loupe or pocket microscope?

 

[dire wolf]

So I got a question for you guys how many have actually grown sour diesel. I’m thinking 11 weeks then 2-3 day flush. Today is day 56. Just started to finally swell

not gonna lie the new compact gavita is bad ass. But for limited height like indoor tents. Not the best idea

Eighty days is about right , sour diesel puts it all togther in the last 15 days of the long flower time ....

 

[Tasty Buds]

Exactly, a 600w HPS is around 95,000 lumens, so when people say LED are 2-3 times more efficient it is complete bullshit, maybe 20-30% at most. The LED companies have been marketing online and in hydro shops since I created this account in 2011-2012, alot of lies about efficiency and output. It's funny when you look at a thread where people argue about lights, you can see a new member jump in and always claim they get more yield with LED It's like bro, you got 22 comments and just created this account 2 days ago, who the hell are you??? I have seen that a dozen times just in the past couple months.

I took a 8 year layoff from growing to start a construction company, now I'm done with that and want to start growing again. So I came on here a few months ago to get back in touch with the community and everybody from back in the day is gone and now they all use LED's.

I believe it was a mostly the marketing, they do have way better lights nowadays compared to what they use to have. The LED's are better than HPS is some regards, but not everything, especially yield.

I digress, sorry for thread jacking, keep us updated on these plants please, I want to see the final product.

79, I never used one, and don't know much about the new one (if there's any difference)
I understand enough about HVAC to get rid of the heat quick. If I sas people yielding similarly to an experienced HPS grower, Id consider switching if I didn't already have the equipment, understand how to feed a plant grown under 1k yada............ From people's pics, it looks like it would veg nicely, but the buds are small.

Lex, you're coming off a layoff as well huh.I ended up having a couple kids. That's cool, there's good $ in construction, and if ya like it, ya can't beat it. I'll hopefully have a good sized commercial facility in the NE within the year. Until I actually start grow, there's quite a few hurdles.
I think I remember you. I was only on here for a few years, but your name looks familiar. When I was growing for real I didn't do the forum thing. Yeah, it's legal in more, and more states, but I've seen the guy's who run their mouths, or get a name, get messed with.
If you're in the NE give me a shout. It would be nice to have someone with experience in construction, and this build out some rooms. If you do that.
As for the LEDs, not even close from what I've seen. I'm not too surprised. Those companies sunk a ton of $ into advertising. They were smart. It worked. I'd like my chances competing with LEDs

 

[Zelkova12]

Eighty days is about right , sour diesel puts it all togther in the last 15 days of the long flower time ....

That’s what I figured my first girl to plant was really fucked up I got it from a buddy and I finished it out but I let that go for almost 90 days and it still had clear trichs

 

[Zelkova12]

I've never grown Sour Diesel, but 11 weeks sounds about right for that strain.

Do you have a jewelers loupe or pocket microscope?

Yup a few of them

 

[growsince79]

79, I never used one, and don't know much about the new one (if there's any difference)
I understand enough about HVAC to get rid of the heat quick. If I sas people yielding similarly to an experienced HPS grower, Id consider switching if I didn't already have the equipment, understand how to feed a plant grown under 1k yada............ From people's pics, it looks like it would veg nicely, but the buds are small.

Lex, you're coming off a layoff as well huh.I ended up having a couple kids. That's cool, there's good $ in construction, and if ya like it, ya can't beat it. I'll hopefully have a good sized commercial facility in the NE within the year. Until I actually start grow, there's quite a few hurdles.
I think I remember you. I was only on here for a few years, but your name looks familiar. When I was growing for real I didn't do the forum thing. Yeah, it's legal in more, and more states, but I've seen the guy's who run their mouths, or get a name, get messed with.
If you're in the NE give me a shout. It would be nice to have someone with experience in construction, and this build out some rooms. If you do that.
As for the LEDs, not even close from what I've seen. I'm not too surprised. Those companies sunk a ton of $ into advertising. They were smart. It worked. I'd like my chances competing with LEDs

The 100w hlg's makes as much as a 150w hps. My buds are just as big and dense as hps. I use and mix both. Here's a photo on day 62 flower flipped day 14 from sprout. Just shy of 2oz dry and trimmed. Very dense