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Stems and leaf veins turning red/purple...?

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Stems and leaf veins turning red/purple...?

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#22
HomegrownOhighO said:
I'm not, I'm picking up what you're putting down. Just not sure where to start here. I'll probably have to water on Wednesday. I used 50/50 promix and vermiculite, plus in the very bottom I put a layer of rocks for drainage before filling the pot with dirt. Will the run off give me a more accurate measurement of the soil when testing pH? Right now I'm just using a soil test kit to test soil pH. I have a probe but I don't trust it, it's cheap from Amazon.
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Run off is the best way to test for sure.
Regarding your 50/50 mix: is it 25/25/50 [vermiculite/perlite/dirt]?
Vermiculite retains moisture, it is a rare additive to growing medium in the cannabis world.
With standard being 30-50% perlite or other drainage medium in a dirt mixture.

Rock drainage layers in container gardening IS in fact one of the industry myths.
Layering rocks/clay in the base only serves as a way to cut down the size of the container [when its better just to use an appropriate sized pot].
In simple terms: Due to hydrophobic properties water/nutrient solution will see the rock layer as the bottom of the pot.

Retouching on your base issue:
Give them some vitamins and fresh nutrient solution with some run-off while monitoring safe moisture levels and see how they look in a weeks time.
 
#23
DR.PNW said:
Run off is the best way to test for sure.
Regarding your 50/50 mix: is it 25/25/50 [vermiculite/perlite/dirt]?
Vermiculite retains moisture, it is a rare additive to growing medium in the cannabis world.
With standard being 30-50% perlite or other drainage medium in a dirt mixture.

Rock drainage layers in container gardening IS in fact one of the industry myths.
Layering rocks/clay in the base only serves as a way to cut down the size of the container [when its better just to use an appropriate sized pot].
In simple terms: Due to hydrophobic properties water/nutrient solution will see the rock layer as the bottom of the pot.

Retouching on your base issue:
Give them some vitamins and fresh nutrient solution with some run-off while monitoring safe moisture levels and see how they look in a weeks time.
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I'll have to get some vitamins and nutes. I was really trying to do this organically but I might need to use some nutrients. Pretty sure the promix hp has perlite in it.
 
#25
HomegrownOhighO said:
I'll have to get some vitamins and nutes. I was really trying to do this organically but I might need to use some nutrients. Pretty sure the promix hp has perlite in it.
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Fortunately there are organic options.

ThriveAlive Green is an organic source of B1.

Frankia/Gaia make a bloom formula [Flower Bloom/ Power Bloom], these are powdered organics so it is not as quickly bioavailable but will help over time! It can be brewed into a tea if immediate bioavailability is needed.

Most Promix formulas do contain a lot of perlite, primarily HP as in "High Porosity", but even with the HP I see clients adding at least 20-30% additional perlite.
 
#26
DR.PNW said:
Fortunately there are organic options.

ThriveAlive Green is an organic source of B1.

Frankia/Gaia make a bloom formula [Flower Bloom/ Power Bloom], these are powdered organics so it is not as quickly bioavailable but will help over time! It can be brewed into a tea if immediate bioavailability is needed.

Most Promix formulas do contain a lot of perlite, primarily HP as in "High Porosity", but even with the HP I see clients adding at least 20-30% additional perlite.
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Have you heard of Foop Organics?
 
#28
HomegrownOhighO said:
Have you heard of Foop Organics?
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I have not heard of Foop.
Their base is fish which is a great organic option but strongly scented.
Their regime is different in that it is recommended to feed EVERY watering and maintain a strict pH of 6.2-6.4.
Run-off would be required.
Affordable.
I don't see an issue with a trial despite their different approach to nutrient sourcing and schedule.
 
#29
Zill said:
Do it. Add vitamins. Spend your money. Thanks Love.

Hey Dr. Plant, what you say. Organics, foop or not.

Homegrown, You appear to be susceptible to this crap. Enjoy.

Zill.
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Chill bro, where the hell is your hostility coming from? I'm just trying to learn how to grow. And you learn from experiences, which the people in this community have in boatloads compared to myself. Just because I try to pick someone's brain does not mean I'm going to run out and buy the first recommended product. This is my first run and I would like to have a somewhat decent harvest. I already know my harvest is not going to be what it could be due to the late transplant but I am sure going to do what I think is necessary and pocket the knowledge and information the people in this forum are kind enough to share. Why even post if you get offended at miniscule disagreements?
 
#30
HomegrownOhighO said:
Chill bro, where the hell is your hostility coming from? I'm just trying to learn how to grow. And you learn from experiences, which the people in this community have in boatloads compared to myself. Just because I try to pick someone's brain does not mean I'm going to run out and buy the first recommended product. This is my first run and I would like to have a somewhat decent harvest. I already know my harvest is not going to be what it could be due to the late transplant but I am sure going to do what I think is necessary and pocket the knowledge and information the people in this forum are kind enough to share. Why even post if you get offended at miniscule disagreements?
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Zill might need some Vitamin B to de-stress ;]

Don't let anyone get under your skin here, turn a blind eye.
We are here to learn and appreciate the process.
 
#31
DR.PNW said:
Zill might need some Vitamin B to de-stress ;]

Don't let anyone get under your skin here, turn a blind eye.
We are here to learn and appreciate the process.
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I'm not trying to get in the middle of this, but...........

Superthrive has helped my plants on occasions.......

No....I do not use all the time.....but if my plant is very sickly looking, I'll add a drop or two and more times than not, it does seem to help alot.....

I faithfully use it on my clones when I first cut them......cut stem, insert in a solo with diluted Superthrive......

It always works great......maybe if I didn't use it, they would still flourish, but I'm sure as hell not stopping something that " seems " to work.....

So many different ways and styles......

Some people love using root riot plugs......f@^k them things......as GNick says about the paper towel germ method, toss out the plugs!

🙄
 
#32
It's usually a sign of phosphorous deficiency. Only if the bottom of the stem is purple too, so take a look. If not, then it's either a slight light tan and/or just genetics.
 
#33
Week4Bytch said:
It's usually a sign of phosphorous deficiency. Only if the bottom of the stem is purple too, so take a look. If not, then it's either a slight light tan and/or just genetics.
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I just took a look and you make a good point because it is exactly at the top sides of the stems, almost dead nuts even between the top and bottom of a stem, even the ones I know aren't naturally getting a lot of light. Also, on the main stalks it is purple lines not the whole top surface area like the other ones. The picture is shitty res but if you look close you can understand what I'm saying with the striping.
 
#34
HomegrownOhighO said:
Chill bro, where the hell is your hostility coming from?
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may be from the fact Dr pnw try to diagnose an issue when most prolly there's none ...

dunno if you read the article i linked but purple stem can happen for a wide range of reasons that in MOST case you don't need to worry about

your plant looks perfectly fine as is, i wouldn't change anything for now ....
 
#35
if anything as you've said they've been stunt on start up and the one most advanced in its flowering one seem to start cannibalize her lower and older leaves, but nothing especially wrong depending the decaying rate for this stage in flower.

(notice that this phenomenom can vary a lot from one strain to another and even from one phenotype to another within the same strain.)
 
#36
Hey Homegrower. Like you, I'm new to this, but I'm not new to growing plants. If your photos were posted in a non-cannabis forum, I'd say that your plants looked healthy. Personally, I'd hesitate to throw "cures" at a problem that has not been identified to some degree of surety. Otherwise, you are just stressing your plant by changing the soil environment. You're also stressing your wallet, too. There are plenty of fancy labeled products out there vying for your cash. I'm doubtful of them, particularly if they are cannabis industry specific. I'd look for a product that's used in the wider horticultural/agricultural industries. As a new grower, myself, what I find most perplexing is all the fiddling that comes with indoor growing. I understand you can grow some beautiful plants indoors. But when you set up an indoor grow, you have to become a sort of plant deity. You have create a world of plantdom in which you have total control. You are god. Unfortunately, we don't have the knowledge of a god. So what we create indoors is often chaos. I'd leave your plant alone for a week. Watchful waiting. Avoid adding another variable into the chaos. But that's just how I do it. Good luck.
 
#37
this also:


Vitamin B1 Debunked​

The truth is that although research and experimentation throughout the 20th century has revealed that various auxins combined with B1 may help to stimulate root growth, Vitamin B1 on its own does not. This illustrates a classic case of correlation not equating to causation. In fact, one experiment showed that just plain water worked better for stimulating root growth than water combined with B1.

The reason that this myth perpetuated for so many years is that in those original experiments dating back to the 1930s, Vitamin B1 did help to stimulate plant growth in a controlled lab environment; however, these results failed to produce similar results in the real world. Lastly, it’s helpful to understand that under ideal conditions, healthy soil containing certain strains of bacteria and fungi naturally produce Vitamin B1 without the need to supplement with “fortified” fertilizer supplements.

Moral of the story? Don’t be duped by the marketing hype, and skip the B1 fertilizers that claim to ““prevent transplant shock” and “stimulate new root growth”

and this:


Vitamin B-1, aka thiamine, does not reduce transplant shock or stimulate new root growth on plants outside the laboratory
Healthy plants will synthesize their own thiamine supply
Healthy soils contain beneficial microbes that synthesize thiamine as well
 
#38
OldDogger said:
Hey Homegrower. Like you, I'm new to this, but I'm not new to growing plants. If your photos were posted in a non-cannabis forum, I'd say that your plants looked healthy. Personally, I'd hesitate to throw "cures" at a problem that has not been identified to some degree of surety. Otherwise, you are just stressing your plant by changing the soil environment. You're also stressing your wallet, too. There are plenty of fancy labeled products out there vying for your cash. I'm doubtful of them, particularly if they are cannabis industry specific. I'd look for a product that's used in the wider horticultural/agricultural industries. As a new grower, myself, what I find most perplexing is all the fiddling that comes with indoor growing. I understand you can grow some beautiful plants indoors. But when you set up an indoor grow, you have to become a sort of plant deity. You have create a world of plantdom in which you have total control. You are god. Unfortunately, we don't have the knowledge of a god. So what we create indoors is often chaos. I'd leave your plant alone for a week. Watchful waiting. Avoid adding another variable into the chaos. But that's just how I do it. Good luck.
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Honestly, I am tired of spending funds on this grow. I know it's a costly investment with a great return but every damn time I turn a corner I need this or that. I have everything for another tea and then some, so I might just start there at next watering. I did leave my oscillating fan on in the tent but I took the focus off of constantly oscillating to blow on the plant. The one in flower was more perky this morning and the one in veg looks happy already and somehow developing a really nice canopy. Other than that for now I'm just going to use what I got. Any suggestions on what I should focus on when making the brew for the flowering plant?
 
#39
HerbalEdu said:
if anything as you've said they've been stunt on start up and the one most advanced in its flowering one seem to start cannibalize her lower and older leaves, but nothing especially wrong depending the decaying rate for this stage in flower.

(notice that this phenomenom can vary a lot from one strain to another and even from one phenotype to another within the same strain.)
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That's funny because some of the lower leaves have started to die a little and wilt but it was happening so slowly and not much but the tip or a tipped side of a leaf. Just out of curiosity is it normal that the one in veg is still not showing any signs of flowering? They were both planted at the same time and this Friday will be 8 weeks since prop. Not even a spec of a pistil anywhere on her.
 
#40
HomegrownOhighO said:
That's funny because some of the lower leaves have started to die a little and wilt but it was happening so slowly and not much but the tip or a tipped side of a leaf. Just out of curiosity is it normal that the one in veg is still not showing any signs of flowering? They were both planted at the same time and this Friday will be 8 weeks since prop. Not even a spec of a pistil anywhere on her.
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8 weeks and not flowering, then there is chance this one might be a photoperiod, it could happen once in a while due to how much backcrossing is involved in stabilizing the auto trait.
 
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