Mr.jiujitsu
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It raises the point that it’s use is prolific as well know. I hear of people online using it almost up to harvest.
I’ll have to disagree with the little note at the end there. As far as i know azamax and any other pesticide in which NeemAzal technical used are not synthetic. NeemAzal Technical is a water based extraction of the active compounds.
Other than that, research done on aspen trees shows that azadirachtin will be in the plant tissue for more than 50 days. Now cannabis is not the same as aspen plants but at least a window of 50 days should be a safe bet. So no azadirachtin in flower for me.
Also neem oil should be avoided in anycase because it contains aflatoxin. Rather than neem oil, NeemAzal derived pesticides are a safer option imo as the oil of the neem, which contains aflatoxin is left behind in the extraction process. Again at least a 50 day window before harvest. If one is not battling with an infestation the dosage and the rate of application should be sparse.
I think if taken broadly, with a critical eye, it's alright. I agree that most will latch onto these things and not get the real information from reliable sources. Do you have a hypothesis on the cannabis emisis theory? Is there even statistics showing any new phenomena? Not to bug you, asking because i know you're reliable and honest.My buddy sent me that same link. This guy has zero credentials or even any research to make such a claim- it his hypothesis. I find it funny that he would blame something like neem when people are still spraying things like avid, eagle, forbid, floramite..... And have been even before 2004 or whatever he claims for the arrival of chs. This guy has no clue as to what people are spraying on the bud he smokes..... He is a “blogger” who smokes weed- doesn’t even grow. I’ve been growing and smoking for over 20 years and have NEVER known or personally heard of somebody having CHS. It’s this kind of misinformation that people lacking real knowledge latch onto.
Azamax and other neem products are approved for use on cannabis in more than a few states so have definitely been tested
Quality content brotha thank you. I’m not going to attempt to speak on issues I know little about.... My point was only that it’s unknown what causes CHS in certain people. Why blame neem with zero evidence when there’s still lotsa black market weed being sprayed with all kinds of shit. I’ve never known of anyone with CHS, have you? It would seem it’s extremely rare or possibly confined to a small region which, to me, would suggest something used more so in certain areas cuz I’ve only ever read about it online never known or heard of anyone having it. And I remember the days when people were spraying avid, floramite, benomyl, myclo, konk bug bombs mid flower without a second thought. And of course people are still making concentrates w the black market pesticide tainted weed further concentrating the toxins. Lol just thought about it, when they make fruit juice from concentrate w non organic fruits they’re concentrating the pesticides there too lol. But it’s ok on food since those palms have long since been greased by lobbyists n donors....That has nothing to do with what you are allowed to use. Labeling is what it comes down to. They arent out there testing these things on big cannabis crops to what is acceptable. Since the labels don't list the crop specifically or only label it for greenhouse/outdoor/ornamental use. Technically you are using a pesticide off label which gets into some big ass fine territory and can get your business shut down. Why pretty much most of the products you can use are registered as a 25B exemption. Like you said about E20. It's not that they tested it and found that to be true in the end product of dried weed. It's the lack of testing and the concern it brings up in concentrates which falls on the companies (E20 can be sprayed on grapes 14 days before harvest. Think about that next time you drink some wine) Being that pesticides fall under EPA in the US where a lot of these companies are from and weed is still schedule 1 here you wont see a test like that anytime soon or anything on their labels about weed. If they choose to take that route in another country most likely their products will be banned for sale here.
Look at the Azatrol stuff that happened. That was approved for years until Oregon (https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/programs/Pesticides/Documents/CannabisPesticideAdvisories/Azatrol.pdf) tested it and found all sorts of pesticides that were not on the label and banned to use in the industry. Same thing with Mighty Wash (https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/programs/Pesticides/Documents/PesticideAdvisoryMightyWash.pdf - in this case it had to do with ingredients that were active and not on the label) If the "testing" was done that would have never been approved and then pulled. The only thing that gets tested is ingredients vs what is listed on the label. Half the time this is well after it is approved for use.
Edit: Well looks like Azamax also got pulled for having bifenthrin and permethrin (https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/programs/Pesticides/Documents/2018Advisories/AzaMax.pdf). Also Evergreen got popped and pulled for having piperonyl butoxide (https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/programs/Pesticides/Documents/2018Advisories/Evergreen.pdf) My statement holds true. As you can see OMRI doesnt mean shit on a bottle.
@PharmHand Yeah brotha. Sad to see. I used Azatrol for a lot of years (still have half a gal) and saw this come up. The useful products are dropping like flies. The thing going on with neem products is a whole different conversation. Most everyone gets their neem from he same sources so It might be a source contamination. The other thing is they are testing down to parts per billionth on some of these thing so It could also be cross contamination from a doff crop by the source. Now weather they are intentionally putting these substances is the mix time will tell. This could also be were the supposed CHS from these products are coming from but that is doubtful. From what I understand its trace amounts they are finding of the pesticides. As far as CHS holds true the one thing you have to remember is a lot more non smokers are smoking now. Not mention you have a lot of commercial companies producing product that have to get it to market no matter what so that comes with some shady business. Some of these crazy stories you hear that sound like total bullshit might actually be true in some cases. They run PSA's on the radio here about edibles cause normies were eating 500mg chocobars and going to the hospital thinking they were dying. No joke.
The toxicity study cited was about a guy who drank 20 ml of Neem oil. Hardly an indictment of usage as instructed. The main article frankly strikes me as bullshit. There is no cited research, no technical theory of toxicity, just his emotional linkage between CHS and neem oil usage.
I've used azamax periodically over the years. Never had a problem, nor has anyone I have shared with. Azamax and Neem oil are pretty widely used. If there was a link, shouldn't there be an epidemic of CHS? But there isn't.
Make your own choices. Since azadachtrin operates by interrupting a metabolic pathway found only in sucking insects, I am uninclined to get too worried. The Oregon ban was about having pyrethrin ( another relatively safe bug killer, organic, derived from chysanthemums) in the product but not on the label, not about any newly found danger.
The real danger is dihydrogen monoxide, which is in almost every liquid nute and bug product, and is proven to be deadly to humans and animals. Focus, people.