Strain Selection

[WilliamHBonneey]

Planning an outdoor grow in Nor Cal around 20 to 30 plants and I was having difficulty selecting the strains I wanted to grow. I'm looking for large yields potency and color. I found a few sites where I was thinking of buying seeds from but also I was considering grabbing clones. From my knowledge I believe seeds have a larger yield to clones. But im not sure this is necessarily true. The temps in my neck of the woods are upwards towards 105 in summer and have an average of 90. I'll be using Subs Super Soil and A.N. Heavy Harvest and Dr.Hornby's Big Bud in 15 to 20 gallon smart pots just for back info. The strains im considering are

Black Pearl(Highgrade seeds)
Monster Bud(Highgrade seeds)
Purple Diesel(Highgrade seeds)
White Widow or Black Widow
Texada Timewarp
BC God Bud
Blue Buddah
Blue Dream

Im trying to grow anywhere from 5 to 7 plants of 4 different strains I need help slimming my selection or widening through personal experience. The two im almost 100% on is White or Black Widow and Texada Timewarp. I've heard great things about both strains (white and timewarp) but I wanted to know personal yields potency etc of Texada for sure. Basically what im hoping from the whole post is yield,size and time of harvest for all the strains i've listed or the three from other strains you(the reader) can suggest. Color is very important to me as i'm trying to grow strains that not only yield high and taste great but are also different from the smoke thats currently in my area. All help and info is greatly appriciated and thank you in advance.

William H Bonney

***I also posted this on grasscity forums to no avail so it doesn't make me look like a spammer***

 

[WilliamHBonneey]

***Bump***
for fifty views really no one can give me any info on this? I tried to be as specific as possible considering i see on 76% of all threads people saying that they didnt provide enough information...

 

[Tobor the 8th Man]

I am going to guess your around 40 degrees North. Sacramento is 38.34 N and the very top of California is 41.46 N. I just happen to be in that same range all the way over here in the Northeast.

A pack of seeds can have a big difference in taste, potency and yield pheno to pheno. It is hard to just tell someone what to get. When I started using seeds I bought on the sites I started with a few different strains and ran them outside. I would take clones of all the females and select the keepers. The best of whatever I planted had to be my keepers. Sometimes it was just a matter of finding stuff that finished and didn't have problems in my climate.

I eventually found a few things that kept me pretty happy. Plus popping seeds and making discoveries was fun. Then I was able to upgrade my keeper collection with some clones. That way I had proven potency and finishing time strains to depend on while I continue to search new seeds.

Your area being the same latitude as mine IME means things will roughly start to trigger flowering between Aug 1 to 4 (like inside day 1 of flip) and in 12 days or so, lets say Aug 14 they will start to shoot pistils and be in flowering, So an 8 week strain (64 days), depending on how fast it triggers will be finished roughly Oct 1-4. A 10 week strain Oct 15-18 and 11 weeks Oct 22 to 25. My first frost date is Oct 27. Yours might be later. But you get the idea. I do mostly 8-10 week strains but do an 11 and 12 week strain too. I just make the most plants the 8 and 9 weekers to insure a good harvest. The rest is gravy.

So pick seeds you like and then research each selection before you buy it. See what other growers are saying about it.

See this was a long ass answer that is why nobody posted back. LOL!

Go read the outdoor threads from last year.

 

[WilliamHBonneey]

ya i've been scouring threads to see if anyone fucks with the Texada i "found" that strain in a high times from aprox. 3-4 years ago and it stuck in my mind as a "must have" strain i researched it online and only found seed bank hype bullshit but I guess part of it is faith in your greenthumb+overall genetics of the plants themselves i'm almost certain im going to go with
Blue Dream(clone hopefully)
White Widow(clone hopefully)
Texada Timewarp

and one more cant decide between
BC God Bud
BC Big Bud
Blue Buddah
The Purps
Black Pearl

+rep for helpful info and responding to my post lol

 

[Papa]

+rep Tobor!

 

[amrad]

I'v grown Texada Island timewarp outside every year for about six. From my own seeds. Its my favourite strain er clone. It grows big if you let it and produces big yeilds, I always keep my plants small by going right from 24/7 light on to outside, they are usually real root bound at this time and go right into flower. I do this because I have to for security.
When everything else in the garden is eaten by the mold the warp has none. If they arnt forced like I do they should finish the end of Sept. but that depends where you are of course, im at fifty north and if i were to put them out in may they would be huge and done by first two weeks of oct for sure.
Once you taste and experience the warp there will be no going back. If the nights are cold no worry, the Warp will take up to minus six degrees of frost, or at least mine will, and turn a kaleidescope of mauve purple red colours. I grow organic with aireated teas and she loves it.
Hope this is of some help to you peace.

 

[mastacheeser]

i know i saw some crazy ass purple coming out of norcal last year
socal is still flooded, having to get rid of my shit at discount
might be wrong but isnt blue dream bread for hydro?
that doesnt mean it wont do great outside but i havent seen alot of people running it outside

 

[primeform]

any end in sight for the flood down there mastacheser? how much of a discount are you having to go? were all still hurting up here in norcal too.

 

[Rory]

well let me say this, all the nor cal growers that grow for sales can go all jump off a cliff. they have flooded there own market in northern california so they have started bringing there product down here in so cal and now us so cal growers are having to compete with them! and have now consequently flooded so cal! Its BS!

 

[jaredman]

well let me say this, all the nor cal growers that grow for sales can go all jump off a cliff. they have flooded there own market in northern california so they have started bringing there product down here in so cal and now us so cal growers are having to compete with them! and have now consequently flooded so cal! Its BS!

If the product is good it should speak for itself, it sounds like you grow for sales if you are worried about a flooded market though. I agree there are tons of pot all over, literally, from CO to OR to CA to MT to NM. There are not tons of quality herb grown by true professionals though.

 

[jaredman]

The question posed I dont really have any experience with the strains you mentioned except blue dream. Truely a great outdoor plant. I am also gonna run some sssdh from ojd here at the farm. I have about the same conditions as you described. One I ran last year was subcools jacktheripper. Really nice plants with a very unique smell. Also cannacopia govt mule had a very nice strong distinct smell that a lot of people have requested but I am all out. I may do some more mule this year. Mantanuska thunderfuck is good too the tundra is a bit mold prone imo. The thunderfuck has a verry berry smell and the densest buds Ive ever seen. Run the blue dream and experiment with a few others, you will find what you like.

 

[trinityalps]

ya i've been scouring threads to see if anyone fucks with the Texada i "found" that strain in a high times from aprox. 3-4 years ago and it stuck in my mind as a "must have" strain i researched it online and only found seed bank hype bullshit but I guess part of it is faith in your greenthumb+overall genetics of the plants themselves i'm almost certain im going to go with
Blue Dream(clone hopefully)
White Widow(clone hopefully)
Texada Timewarp

and one more cant decide between
BC God Bud
BC Big Bud
Blue Buddah
The Purps
Black Pearl

+rep for helpful info and responding to my post lol

Hey William
Just smoking a bowl of God Bud. It still has its great flavors and taste, good happy stoney buzz even though this is the bottom of the jar that's been left open so many times :) Grew it out last summer, and I think I will again. Early to Mid Oct. at 41N and 4200 ft elev.

--T

 

[paulycali]

I would go with the BC God bud as your final choice. She does well outdoors too

 

[ScuzyRoach]

IMHO one thing to consider is where are you going to get rid of your product when its finished? If your buyer cant sell anything you have than it doesnt really matter how good it is. You will always be able to get rid of good kush (og is a no brainer), i have found any diesel (sour especially) moves itself.
In regards to the other comments on competition. i think the socal area has mostly been hit because of how many dispensaries got shut down. I'm sure shit is still moving like crazy on the streets as well, people need their meds. They are also growing for themselves now too, have you seen jacks uc thread? shit like that is going on all over the place. S.F. has huge indoor grows going and they are dumping their shit for dirt cheap. You have to be able to provide a lot of gear now days to these guys or they dont waste their time. Kinda sucks trust me. Maybe organize and start a collective, its not hard. Then you can put your numbers or weight together to bring the big guys.
Hell its only just feb. too so things will probably dry out a bit.

 

[mastacheeser]

well let me say this, all the nor cal growers that grow for sales can go all jump off a cliff. they have flooded there own market in northern california so they have started bringing there product down here in so cal and now us so cal growers are having to compete with them! and have now consequently flooded so cal! Its BS!

noooo dont jump
until begining of demember my indoor was commanding some good dollar, but at somepoint the fact that it was indoor stopped mattering. if i didnt have bills to pay i would be sitting and waiting on prices.
not to mention consignment. it has lead to places with 60+ strains on their shelves. even if i wanted to leave something it can only go so fast with 60 other things up there
everybody needs to bust the bong out, load up five or ten, and take care of this market saturation lol

 

[mastacheeser]

IMHO one thing to consider is where are you going to get rid of your product when its finished? If your buyer cant sell anything you have than it doesnt really matter how good it is. You will always be able to get rid of good kush (og is a no brainer), i have found any diesel (sour especially) moves itself.
In regards to the other comments on competition. i think the socal area has mostly been hit because of how many dispensaries got shut down. I'm sure shit is still moving like crazy on the streets as well, people need their meds. They are also growing for themselves now too, have you seen jacks uc thread? shit like that is going on all over the place. S.F. has huge indoor grows going and they are dumping their shit for dirt cheap. You have to be able to provide a lot of gear now days to these guys or they dont waste their time. Kinda sucks trust me. Maybe organize and start a collective, its not hard. Then you can put your numbers or weight together to bring the big guys.
Hell its only just feb. too so things will probably dry out a bit.

took swerves tahoe around for 3 days until i found somebody to pay a decent price.
btw la county has 100+ store
oc has 100+
riverside has 100+
san berandino has 50+
usually when doors are getting shut, fear rises and so do prices
the la county ban was thrown out and the oc ban has yet to be inforced
opening my own collective is the goal:)
talking to other growers this is the first time so cal has been hit real hard in 4 years. (before my time) never had anything like this the last couple years

 

[twoguysupnorth]

Interested in this thread since I am about to sprout both Jack the Ripper and Timewarp. I am at the 45th parellel in Mi but will be doing a greenhouse for the first time ever.

I just found out about the GH so I had to switch strains. I have been having a hard time narrowing my list too. I want to grow them all! These TW seeds came from a BC grower so I have confidence it is good and close to real as possible.

 

[Jar Man]

Crazy flooding

Seems few ever consider that MJ becoming legal will have the same effect or worse. The market will flood as everyone and their brother jump on the bud bandwagon. Wiping out any decent profit margins for all but the big commercial interests. Smokers want cheaper prices for the best. And growers cringe at the idea of flooded markets and cheaper bud prices. The irresolvable dilema with all of capitalism.

 

[Bluenote]

well let me say this, all the nor cal growers that grow for sales can go all jump off a cliff. they have flooded there own market in northern california so they have started bringing there product down here in so cal and now us so cal growers are having to compete with them! and have now consequently flooded so cal! Its BS!

Know about NorCal do you? I don't think so. And you're not even close to what really happened so why not ashcan the Norcal versus Socal BS.


Unless you want me to start citing example of Socal pirates coming up here and lowballing the crap out of folks and then topshelfing it for ridiculous amounts....I mean we *could* do that , but the guy asked for strain info not some sort of weed war.


To the OP , for that fourth one I think I'd personally pick the God Bud or Big Bud for the last strain , the God Bud will be a lot more marketable most likely. The market could change quicker than we think , the glut may well dry out and a great many of the short-term greed folks have gotten out , with the move towards delivery services the choice in strains is going down , we all got spoiled when we could walk in and choose from 30 or 40 different things to try.As the supplies dry up quality of any kind will begin to move again.

Lots of folks pulling in their horns some , I cut a whole bunch of strains from my library and i know a whole lot of folks that are running smaller and leaner.

 

[Bluenote]

Seems few ever consider that MJ becoming legal will have the same effect or worse. The market will flood as everyone and their brother jump on the bud bandwagon. Wiping out any decent profit margins for all but the big commercial interests. Smokers want cheaper prices for the best. And growers cringe at the idea of flooded markets and cheaper bud prices. The irresolvable dilema with all of capitalism.

To a certain extent the truth , however look towards how the wine industry developed for some positive viewpoint , the connoiseur market already exists and it will expand dramatically with legality , just as there are Boutique Wineries specialising in one or two varietals , there will be Boutique Growers ( Weederies anybody?) specialisng in certain strains ( varietals) , as nitrogen packing and commercial preservation techniques move into the industry we may well even see *Vintages* , though of course on much more short term levels than Wine or Whiskey (y)..........


And yup a lot of folks in the middle between the commercial corporate interests ( and they WILL get in.........and those are the REAL pirates) and the highend quality growers will get out.

Here's the silver lining in that dark cloud. Phillip Morris , Big Pharma etc *can't do what we do* , their bottom line doesn't allow it. It's almost inevitable that we're going to have the highend connoiseur market to ourselves.


'Course the flip side is that we could all end up as the equivalent of moonshiners , take agander sometime at how much time you'll draw for growing and selling illegal unlicensed tobacco in certain southern states.