Tea Recipe

Mississip Hip · Jun 23, 2012

That what I thought...

I will keep feeding bennies every feeding....or so...

They are so cheap of an insurance...why the hell wouldn't I?

joehank · Jun 27, 2012

baba G said:
Getting ready to experiment here!
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Is that the size of Caps packets? How many tablespoons can you get out of that?

Disambiguator · Jun 27, 2012

To state the obvious, soil and water mediums are going to require different EM inoculation rates. Circulating nutrients, (synthetic or organic) and beneficials to the plant’s rhizosphere in a water system cannot reproduce the same bio-chemical activity (nutrient cycling, fixation, symbiosis) that are central to organic growing and soil web principles. When synthetic nutrients are added to the mix, the differences between the two systems become greater than their similarities.

If the synthetic nute level rises above 5% (v/v), all of the microbes are killed off. Has anyone who uses a synthetic/organic technique (hybrid) figured out how many microbes and of what type are killed off w/ synthetic doses of 4%? 3%? 2%? 1%? Does anyone know how many microbes are being put out of work due to the soluble, immediately available supply of synthetic salts that are being applied? If a plant is being fed anhydrous ammonium, for instance, how much bacterial nitrogen fixing is really going on? These are some of the questions that I would want answered before I started adding synthetics to my plan.

I’m critical of synthetics, but not of the people using them. We all have our own lives to live. Who is to say what homosapien survival means in the larger, universal scheme of things?

Capulator · Jun 28, 2012

bennies start to die at 5%, which is so high that if you were using 5% your plants would be dead from salt overdose.

With that being said, soil is very different from hydro, and organic is obviously different from synthetic. There are certain bennies that are redundant in a synthetic atmosphere, but there are many that still do wonders, especially when it comes to disease prevention and overall plant health. I run hydro synthetic myself. I have always been fascinated with hydro. I even wrote a college paper on the effect of hydroponics on globalization.

nice tats.

Disambiguator · Jun 28, 2012

I've run hydro synthetic, hybrid soil and organic soil but haven't run hydro hybrid so can't speak to the particulars of that culture. There wasn't the selection of high solubility organic nutes when I was running hydro and synthetic was the only alternative. I transitioned from a synthetic to an organic culture in soil (hybrid) and salt build-up requiring full flushes became a fact of life- a complete flush during a plant at midterm is not healthy for the rhizosphere. With the organic culture that I'm running now, there's rarely any salt build-up unless I make a mistake. I run water only for the last 3 feeds and practically zero out the EC differential. (stock->drain)

I was searching for an ascent of man poster under "homosapien" images and these 3 fellows showed up. I dug the pic. Nice tats. No hidden meaning.

I have heard some good things about hybrid hydro, but don't know anyone personally who runs it, have never seen it and have never tasted the results, (to my knowledge.) Happy, productive gardening, regardless of what culture you use. I have no placard to carry.

oscar169 · Jun 28, 2012

I'm running all 3 paks making teas, I use RO water when I water in the tea, on feed days they get AN nuts, I have no idea if its killing the bennies, buit the plants are FUCKING HUGE !!! I can't get over how HUGE they arew @ 3 weeks into flower blows myt mine, everything the same as last run,m same lights,temps, feeding, ect , I used tea for all 4 weeks veg, then teas's first 3 weeks of flower, going to stop using the teas @ this point in the grow until I restart the next round. I used Alien's tea recipe, just switched between the humic soil & Dairy DOO compost :cool:

Capulator · Jun 29, 2012

I have been consistently flipping ahead of schedule when I am on the tea program. I have had no tea for 3 weeks. :(T hank goodness I am re-upping tomorrow morning.

outwest · Jun 29, 2012

Capulator said:
I have been consistently flipping ahead of schedule when I am on the tea program. I have had no tea for 3 weeks. :(T hank goodness I am re-upping tomorrow morning.

Cap, have you been harvesting earlier as well?

outwest

Capulator · Jun 29, 2012

outwest said:
Cap, have you been harvesting earlier as well?

outwest

not really. maybe a couple of days. Just makes my plants grow faster. My veg time goes down about a week in my system.

I guess it makes me need to flip earlier, so technically its a faster harvest..

Disambiguator · Jun 29, 2012

Capulator said:
bennies start to die at 5%, which is so high that if you were using 5% your plants would be dead from salt overdose.

With that being said, soil is very different from hydro, and organic is obviously different from synthetic. There are certain bennies that are redundant in a synthetic atmosphere, but there are many that still do wonders, especially when it comes to disease prevention and overall plant health. I run hydro synthetic myself. I have always been fascinated with hydro. I even wrote a college paper on the effect of hydroponics on globalization.

They start to die @ 5% or they die off @ 5%? I think some of your literature says the latter. If the plant can't survive in a salt solution, whatever the level may be, the beneficial microbes aren't going to survive in the substrate either. If the microbes go south, so the plant goes unless it is being fed straight up salts and bypassing the microbial web.

Here's how Jeff Lowenfels, garden writer and author, explains it in his book, Teaming with Microbes: 'Applications of synthetic fertilizers kill off most or all of the Soil food web microbes. These fertilizers are Salts, and when they come into contact with Soil microbes, they cause osmotic shock -- that is, water in the cells of these organisms flows to the higher concentration of Salts, literally bursting through cell walls and killing off the microbes that hold (bacteria and Fungi) and cycle (nematodes and protozoa) nutrients...

I'm curious about the EC levels that are being used in the hybrid hydro cultures. If an improved level of growth using synthetic nutrients and EM's in a hydro culture works wonders as claimed, there must be a sweet spot for feeding levels that won't kill off the microbes. Maybe the sheer volume of bennies being cycled in during each feeding is compensating for what is being killed off. I'm at a loss because everything I've learned about nutrient cycling and establishing a microbial rich growing environment tells me that synthetics are detrimental.

On the other hand, I've seen small wonders occur in organic soil from the inoculation of beneficials.

From a microbial perspective, how does the activity in a hydro nutrient solution differ so markedly from a nutrient solution in soil water?

Capulator · Jun 29, 2012

This may be true in soil if watering with concentrated nutes, throwing out powder, or even slow release pellet. Most hydro growers however, are mixing their water to a target ppm and then using that diluted solution to water their plants. I posed this question to the manufacturer long ago and was assured that synthetic nutes are fine as long as you do not go above 5%, which is extraordinarily high according to my calcs. This is a big ag product, and I am positive that not all big ag users are organic.

OGONLY · Jun 29, 2012

Cap what would you recommend as a good foliar recipe using your foliar pack? I also have the root and nute pack. Sorry if this has been discussed earlier, I looked through a few pages but couldn't find any info on foliar feeding.

So far I have been feeding using my nute pack and R/O, sometimes I mix a little foliar in as well. I've also fed using a mix of R/O, nute pack and molasas. Figuring molasas might supply sugars necessary for the benes to thrive. I use your nutes every 4 or so feedings on my outdoor plants. So far so good. All are in a prime state of health. :)

Capulator · Jun 29, 2012

OGONLY said:
Cap what would you recommend as a good foliar recipe using your foliar pack? I also have the root and nute pack. Sorry if this has been discussed earlier, I looked through a few pages but couldn't find any info on foliar feeding.

So far I have been feeding using my nute pack and R/O, sometimes I mix a little foliar in as well. I've also fed using a mix of R/O, nute pack and molasas. Figuring molasas might supply sugars necessary for the benes to thrive. I use your nutes every 4 or so feedings on my outdoor plants. So far so good. All are in a prime state of health. :)

foliar tea:

same as the other teas but use at full concentration. See my tea thread first post for my recipe. its the most simple one.

cctt · Jul 1, 2012

Capulator said:
the foam comes more from the root pack in my experience.

I've made your teas weekly now for the last several months. Still never seen one batch foam up at all. I lack a microscope but expect it's still full of life - although I can't help wonder if there's some bigger effect I might be missing out on. Everyone else's tea pictures include a bunch of foam, and I'm jealous.

Here's my current tea: 1 gallon filtered (not RO, but chlorine removed) water (EC ~0.1)
1 tbsp root, 1 tbsp foliar, strained through a mesh to remove filler
20 mL Age old kelp
10 mL unsulfured organic blackstrap molasses
1 big handful Age old earthworm castings in a paint strainer
Bubbled by airstone for up to 24 hours.

Any thoughts?

Capulator · Jul 1, 2012

cctt said:
I've made your teas weekly now for the last several months. Still never seen one batch foam up at all. I lack a microscope but expect it's still full of life - although I can't help wonder if there's some bigger effect I might be missing out on. Everyone else's tea pictures include a bunch of foam, and I'm jealous.

Here's my current tea: 1 gallon filtered (not RO, but chlorine removed) water (EC ~0.1)
1 tbsp root, 1 tbsp foliar, strained through a mesh to remove filler
20 mL Age old kelp
10 mL unsulfured organic blackstrap molasses
1 big handful Age old earthworm castings in a paint strainer
Bubbled by airstone for up to 24 hours.

Any thoughts?

take out the kelp.

rawman · Jul 1, 2012

why do you say tke out the kelp Cap? I use kelp in mine, and thought it was good...

cctt · Jul 1, 2012

Capulator said:
take out the kelp.

I'll try this. Will it make the tea better, or just shut me up about not foaming? I might come back complaining about too much foam spilling all over the place :)

Disambiguator · Jul 1, 2012

I make several different teas during the course of a grow. Some teas literally froth over the edge of the bucket while others hardly foam at all. I haven't given any thought to quantifying the level of foam that my teas are putting out but my thinking is that the amount of foam is contingent upon the nature of the nutrient combination in the bucket more than anything else. Maybe I'd better read the whole thread. lol

Capulator · Jul 1, 2012

cctt said:
I'll try this. Will it make the tea better, or just shut me up about not foaming? I might come back complaining about too much foam spilling all over the place :)

It will just make you shut up about the foaming. ;)

My recipe will foam everytime. I noticed when I added fish and kelp (neptunes harvest), I got no foam at all. I just stick with the original recipe now. I have even stopped using alfalfa since getting pure tricontanol.

Disambiguator · Jul 2, 2012

I like to bite the bubbles. I'm all organic, mawn. lol

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