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click80 · Sep 7, 2013

I found out what those worms are, well 95% sure anyway, they are called pot worms. The latin name is Erytriads (sp) and are not necessarily bad, they eat fungi and are nutrient cyclers but prefer a low ph and I found most references to them as indicating a low ph in worm compost, which would need to be corrected if composting with red wigglers. I am assuming they die off (in the plant soil) unless you keep adding more in, and/or your soil ph is too low. I am also assuming that maybe I am not getting good EWC maybe?? I use Soil Menders which always seems to do good for the plants. I will have to look into it further. Seems like a lot of people get them in their worm compost bins though.

Capulator · Sep 7, 2013

CelticEBE said:
I know that running the bene's through an impeller style pump is bad, but what about a Grundfos or a Flotec?

Like a mag drive?

Capulator · Sep 7, 2013

click80 said:
I found out what those worms are, well 95% sure anyway, they are called pot worms. The latin name is Erytriads (sp) and are not necessarily bad, they eat fungi and are nutrient cyclers but prefer a low ph and I found most references to them as indicating a low ph in worm compost, which would need to be corrected if composting with red wigglers. I am assuming they die off (in the plant soil) unless you keep adding more in, and/or your soil ph is too low. I am also assuming that maybe I am not getting good EWC maybe?? I use Soil Menders which always seems to do good for the plants. I will have to look into it further. Seems like a lot of people get them in their worm compost bins though.

I bet you can source local fresh EWC. I am in LA and I can get it, and this aint exactly farmland.

CelticEBE · Sep 7, 2013

Capulator said:
Like a mag drive?

I'm not sure what kind of drive it is.

click80 · Sep 7, 2013

I don't have a scope and not much opinion on this but I know that microbeman says that a impeller is not as destructive as others say it is.

I tell you, I like that guy. I don't think he has any agenda, he seems to really put effort into putting out info that has real world applications for growing cannabis, and his information is logical. He tests stuff that most of the rest of us also would if we had the equipment, time and know how. I always go back and reread his page just to keep stuff fresh in my head.

For instance Black strap molasses. You can go to a lot of websites still and find "experts" who claim BSM is not a good food source. Microbeman was calling bullshit on that for some time before other "experts" starting to edit their comments/opinions about BSM.

Fyi.

Capulator · Sep 7, 2013

click80 said:
I don't have a scope and not much opinion on this but I know that microbeman says that a impeller is not as destructive as others say it is.

I tell you, I like that guy. I don't think he has any agenda, he seems to really put effort into putting out info that has real world applications for growing cannabis, and his information is logical. He tests stuff that most of the rest of us also would if we had the equipment, time and know how. I always go back and reread his page just to keep stuff fresh in my head.

For instance Black strap molasses. You can go to a lot of websites still and find "experts" who claim BSM is not a good food source. Microbeman was calling bullshit on that for some time before other "experts" starting to edit their comments/opinions about BSM.

Fyi.

I can tell you for sure that I run a mag drive constantly in a res and have 0 issues with plenty of spores in the solution.

What puts it in perspective is seeing how many fuckin microbes are on one tiny drop of tea. They are so damn small and I feel that there is no way an impeller would do shit to them other than push them through to the other side. It's like saying we will die if we go in to the ocean and get pummeled by a few waves.

click80 · Sep 7, 2013

Great analogy. Same as having a lot of agitation in the water, that analogy would work for imagining that also.

CelticEBE · Sep 7, 2013

Capulator said:
I can tell you for sure that I run a mag drive constantly in a res and have 0 issues with plenty of spores in the solution.

What puts it in perspective is seeing how many fuckin microbes are on one tiny drop of tea. They are so damn small and I feel that there is no way an impeller would do shit to them other than push them through to the other side. It's like saying we will die if we go in to the ocean and get pummeled by a few waves.

Thanks Cap! I've pretty much been thinking the same thing, but because I read somewhere that pumps and bene's don't mix well I have always hand fed my bene's.

spacebomb · Sep 8, 2013

hey cap, is there such a thing as to much air?i know its a daft one but my air pump is for a 380, litre res, and i only use a 40 litre bucket?haha.like i said daft ,but i also have seen on here people talking about it but no real answer. it must all be relevant! but i mean i think it should be ok ,right?.
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spacebomb · Sep 8, 2013

what is it that makes the water green?lol. idk if thats true but rudey says his water is green?.just of the caps aswell he says.

click80 · Sep 13, 2013

Spacebomb, not trying to speak for Cap, but without knowing the actual output of your pump it's kind of hard to tell. I use a 110 liter per min and a 45 liter per minute for making 10 gallon batches (40 liter) and it just barely keeps the water oxygenated per a recommended 6 ppm 02. That's through testing with a DO (dissolved oxygen) meter. Although it is more than enough air for keeping the tea from going anaerobic (suffocating the bennies), it's just barely optimal going by the experts recommendations of keeping a bare minimum of 6 ppm O2 saturation.

The type of air stones you use also makes a difference. I tried a few different air stones, cylindrical, flexible hose, flat rectangular...etc and found that mine does best with 3-3" cylindrical air stones on the bigger pump and one of the smaller. I even aerate my water for about 3 hours to bring the O2 up before adding in my ingredients.

For what it's worth.

spacebomb · Sep 13, 2013

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click80 said:
Spacebomb, not trying to speak for Cap, but without knowing the actual output of your pump it's kind of hard to tell. I use a 110 liter per min and a 45 liter per minute for making 10 gallon batches (40 liter) and it just barely keeps the water oxygenated per a recommended 6 ppm 02. That's through testing with a DO (dissolved oxygen) meter. Although it is more than enough air for keeping the tea from going anaerobic (suffocating the bennies), it's just barely optimal going by the experts recommendations of keeping a bare minimum of 6 ppm O2 saturation.

The type of air stones you use also makes a difference. I tried a few different air stones, cylindrical, flexible hose, flat rectangular...etc and found that mine does best with 3-3" cylindrical air stones on the bigger pump and one of the smaller. I even aerate my water for about 3 hours to bring the O2 up before adding in my ingredients.

For what it's worth.

eah thank you man. i mean ill find the box.it does state its for 380.litres like.2 x 3,inch round stones.not to many tiny lil bubbles etc.and i use a 60,litre bucket bubbling at all times.and only max it to 40,litres!.im sure its enough.i never ger that anerobic smell.yuk.lol. anyway thank you click.
space.

click80 · Sep 15, 2013

Does anyone use Alfalfa during flower at all? If so what is latest you have used it? Up to what week or almost all the way through?

I used to use it but when I switched to soil I got some foxtailing and stopped. Now I know that came from letting the grow go too long, but that's another issue. So I am using Alfalfa again. I have used it once after flip and am thinking I can at least use it once more. I mix in 2 1/2 cups per 10 gallon batch of tea.

Any input?

CelticEBE · Sep 15, 2013

click80 said:
Does anyone use Alfalfa during flower at all? If so what is latest you have used it? Up to what week or almost all the way through?

I used to use it but when I switched to soil I got some foxtailing and stopped. Now I know that came from letting the grow go too long, but that's another issue. So I am using Alfalfa again. I have used it once after flip and am thinking I can at least use it once more. I mix in 2 1/2 cups per 10 gallon batch of tea.

Any input?

I use Heavy 16's Fire for the first two weeks, and I know its got Tricontonal in it. I had some foxtailing problems with it as well....but a bit deeeper into things so now I only use it for the first two weeks.

click80 · Sep 15, 2013

I am at 3 days past two weeks. I will see how it goes. I might even use it one more time at 3 weeks but just on one or two plants.

Thanks for the input Celtic.

Capulator · Sep 16, 2013

click80 said:
I am at 3 days past two weeks. I will see how it goes. I might even use it one more time at 3 weeks but just on one or two plants.

Thanks for the input Celtic.

I have been amending my coco with it throwing one big handful in a 12 gallon container.

click80 · Sep 16, 2013

Thanks Cap.

I should add that a friend of mine I just reconnected with recently told me he uses it all the way up to flush. He owns a dispensary now and has been growing for decades. He said that the only trick is to back it down towards week 5 and 6. About a 1/8 cup per gallon for tea. He said that using kelp and alfalfa together late in flower is what can cause foxtailing. He said to try and knock out the kelp at about week 3.

So, I will see.

Herb Forester · Sep 17, 2013

Capulator said:
I have been amending my coco with it throwing one big handful in a 12 gallon container.

How quickly do you think it will break down and need re-amending?

Capulator · Sep 18, 2013

Herb Forester said:
How quickly do you think it will break down and need re-amending?

So far it is just all fuzzy with fungi, and is breaking down very slowly. My guess is the handful will last easily the whole cycle.

Capulator · Sep 18, 2013

Super cool video on biofilm!

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