TGR’s High Elevation Grow Journey

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Just painted up a couple Banjo cola buds with some Thai dominant haymeadow male pollen now that I'm watching the Thai Dom female bud out.

Thinking those are gonna be split between you me and capt 🤙💚🔥
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Was looking at these two next to each other, and it sank in I have a male counterpart to this Thai Dom female outside, and I'd be a fuckin moron for not making this cross.

Thai Dom haymeadow
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Banjo
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They even have complimentary structure, leaf geometry, and color lol.
Hell yeah! That’s beautiful 🤩
 
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A thought occurs.

when it gets real hot and bright in the heat of summer btw, be conscious of how close highly reflective surfaces are to your gals (surfaces like white walls)

1 south facing white wall by your girls will actually increase the intensity of light they get during full sun in September by like 30%. An east or west facing, depending on your arrangement, can still increase luminosity exposure by like 20% depending on time of day. Back In kc i used the white paneling on the house to great advantage with a tiny fenced yard and big trees near by for my outdoor clones. In high dessert cali with plenty of exposure though, that may become a detriment not a salvation.

A plant in front of a well lit, white, south facing wall could very well be seeing 7000+ ppfd during mid afternoon lol. Higher elevation will intensify that even more. The sun on its own where you are, mid summer, mid afternoon, is like 5000 ppfd with base luminosity off the charts lol.
Only one way to find out LMAO
 
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Just painted up a couple Banjo cola buds with some Thai dominant haymeadow male pollen now that I'm watching the Thai Dom female bud out.

Thinking those are gonna be split between you me and capt 🤙💚🔥
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Was looking at these two next to each other, and it sank in I have a male counterpart to this Thai Dom female outside, and I'd be a fuckin moron for not making this cross.

Thai Dom haymeadow
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Banjo
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They even have complimentary structure, leaf geometry, and color lol.
That’s how I felt about the Northern Hashplant project. Those are two strains I absolutely love and both plants grew solid as a battleship.
 
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@MartyMcFly42oh This Lazy Lightning looks like a wild one from the pics online. I’m going to pop those for the Fall run. Just those and pray for girls 😁
 
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Only one way to find out LMAO
🤣 If there plants that'll handle fine you'll prob find them in a Columbian, Afghan, or Thai lineage. Since those are all three I'd say good chances they'll be fine.

If ya start to see a weird yellowing off in summer tho, Id Stick a wood board or something behind em or something though lmao, just don't pull your hair out wondering what's up if it becomes a problem like I have. I spent a late summer pulling my hair out trying to diagnose issues on plants I was growing next to white cinder block wall that faced south. And that was east coast sun not west coast lol. By the next season I had realized my mistake thanks to dude on RIU lol. I never thought about the suns southward swing in late summer. The wall had a lip so it wasn't a problem till all of a sudden it was.

The spray painting grow bags white thing is something I started doing in kc because I hated carrying buckets of water so often too lmao. When plants get big it makes a very noticable difference. It evaporates a lot faster when the pots are black and plants transpire more when their roots are warmer. And the heat of a black grow bag in sun can even kill the roots on the edge of the grow bag. Potato grow bags come in beige and light tan for this very reason. They're intended for use outdoors lol. Fwiw anyway 🤙💚 both these tid bits i wish i knew when i first started growing outdoors. Ill never use a black container, or flower by a southerly white wall again personally lol.
 
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If i were going to use fabric grow bags outdoors, i would bleach them while theyre not in use. (which honestly i dont recommend fabric outdoors at all if your live in a dry climate, they wick moisture out of the soil)

If they were already in use, i would mix a light bleach solution and spray the outside of the fabric daily and let it evaporate, until the bag is satisfyingly not black anymore. Back in the day i used white spray paint, but my today brain says just use bleach or food grade peroxide, thats a lot less toxic in the long run and both should bleach the fabric pale.

if ya do, you will be glad you did it come mid summer.
 
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@MartyMcFly42oh This Lazy Lightning looks like a wild one from the pics online. I’m going to pop those for the Fall run. Just those and pray for girls 😁
I’ve got two ladies as far as I can tell in the 1x3 right now, kinda just hanging out waiting for a spot to open up in the flower tent. I believe they are a headband and hash plant cross. So you might see some similarities to the northern hash plants that you grew. I will pull them out of the tent later today and post some pictures of them.
 
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It’s a known hybrid! Easy enough to Google! If bear was growing it, it probably would be a 15 week flower period.😈🍻
I looked it up, saw 40-45 days, and 7-9 weeks as well as other stuff in that range, and realized it was a joke. Definitely didn’t seem feasible being at least half afghan, but not knowing the other half of its lineage made me think about some of the haze varieties that take that long so…..🤣
 
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When it’s 105° that wicking and evaporation is the only thing that keeps the root zone cool! It is my ally big time! And tan works fine!😁
when its 105 the wicking and evaporation is more then enough to keep it cool on its own. And a tan vs black bag can often buy you an entire extra day before you gotta water again. And when 75%+ 0f the infrared is reflected from the surface of the container, that wicking and evaporation isnt limited in its ability to do its job either, nor does it matter as much, and the plant can also more effectively transpire. Im not saying black containers are not going to work or have a fine result, im just saying tan or white are better options lol. Thats a fact.

You will, with absolute certainty, see a benefit not using black fabric in a hot region. Theres some old videos where a dude was using infrared thermometers on the leaves, container surfaces, weighing the water each big clone was getting, has large above ground containers made of black and white fabric both.

The bigger the plant, and the bigger the container (to a certain extent) the more having a dark surface becomes a hindrance because evaporative cooling is based on surface area, not volume, but volume increases exponentially relative surface area.


ill try and find the videos, theyre several years old now. The dude even figured out at what volume plants of certain sizes will stop behaving as if in a container and behave more like theyre in ground. Density of soil plays a big roll in that too.

(im just throwing out numbers here, i dont actually remember specifically what they were) For large plants, in hot dry, sunny climates, in black containers under like 100 gallons but over 10 or so, in low humidites, FAR more moisture transpires from the plant then evaporates from the soil. And all the dark container does is heat the moisture that does sit on the roots and increase transpiration of the plant even more. (If you feed soluble feeds it makes burning them and deficiencies both a little easier too because it ramps transpiration up more then is necessary to actually keep the leaves of the plant cool)

Which all just means carrying a bit more water then you need to, for a potentially slightly smaller plant by harvest thats a little more sensitive to feed levels and stuff. Thats not a big deal at all for most tbh. Youre not going to see major problems keeping large black containers where its hot, sunny and dry, you just usually wont quite see the result that plant would have had in a tan or white container in a lot of contexts, and youll work a little harder for it. There's that old saying: "Work smarter not harder"


Anyhoo, i moved some plants when i was younger over to tan potato bags outside one season after watching that video series, and it was the last season i ever used a black grow bag outside, at least with a bunch of clones of like the same 3 females, the difference is definitely visually apparent side by side in that 10-20gal territory when a plant gets like 7+ hours direct a day. At least until it overhang the pot fully and shades it off. Eventually i wrote off containers completely, but thats just because last few places ive lived theyre pointless with the quality of the local soils. Although even in KC my plants put directly into the sandy crappy half clay midwest soil, or the red clay at my old place still out performed any container plants ive grown outside so long as i kept up with top dressing and amending or feedings. Even when they didnt look as pretty or happy. I chalk that up to how slowly the temperature of the soil under an inch or two below the surface changes temperature in the ground. Even large containers outdoors swing by 5-10 degrees every day sometimes, as deep as several inches. Same with small containers indoors. Thats like the swing between summer and the end of fall in most places below an inch or two down, happening every day. Go 3-4 inches down in the Mojave desert mid summer, and the ground is like 67f, middle of the day or middle of the night, doesnt matter.
 
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