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Which ppm scale should I use?
CF and EC are measures of electrically charged nutrient ions in a solution. Pure water will not conduct electricity. Water usually conducts electricity because it is full of impurities, in our case, electrically charged nutrient ions. The two black dots on the end of Bluelab nutrient probes are called electrodes. When these are placed in a solution, an electrical current passes from one electrode, through the water to the other electrode and counts the number of electrically charged ions present. This represents the units measured - CF or EC.

ppm measures parts per million. ppm is known as dimensionless quantities; that is, they are pure numbers with no associated units of measurement. A mass concentration of 2mg/kg - 2 parts per million - 2ppm - 2 x 10-6.
There are many different scales used for different industries around the world and for many different reasons! Did you even know there are more than two scales? The most widely used scales in Hydroponics are the 500 scale, 650 scale and the 700 scale.
What's the difference? The ppm 700 scale is based on measuring the KCl or potassium chloride content of a solution. The ppm 500 is based on measuring the NaCl or sodium chloride content of a solution and is also referred to as TDS - total dissolved solids. Individual nutrient ions have different electrical effects! The true ppm of a solution can only be determined by a chemical analysis. ppm cannot be accurately measured by a CF or EC meter. They are present on Bluelab products as a conversion guide only. The conversion is as follows;
2.4EC x 500 = 1200ppm (500 scale) or 1200ppm / 500 = 2.4EC
2.4EC x 700 = 1680ppm (700 scale) or 1680ppm / 700 = 2.4EC

If you are reading from a book that says you should grow your crop at 1100ppm - how do you know which scale the writer is referring to? Is the scale on your ppm meter right for the job? If the book was written in the USA, it could be the 650 or 500 scale. If the book is written in the UK, it could be the 700 scale. If it was written in Australia, well it could be any of the three!

If you must grow using ppm, you will need to know the following;
What ppm scale is the book referring to?
What ppm scale is your meter using?
Which standard or calibration solution should you use for your meter?
What ppm scale is the nutrient formula referring to?

We have a conductivity converter that can help you to determine what the ppm may be on your meter or in your book. If we start off with a general idea of where certain crops should be grown using EC or CF as a guide, then this can help determine what ppm the instrument, book, website etc could be referring to. If you need help to determine what conductivity your crop should be grown at we also have a nominal value chart that may help.


Thanks for the reply, i started typing my question and then deleted it thinking its prob better off elsewhere or even better prob best I try looking it up first! I dunno how it ended up above the quote I was replying to. Thanks anyway! :)
 
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RE: Deleted ppm question.....Reason I was starting to ask that question is cos Im feeding GeneralHydroponics 3 part to my plants in soil, im using the exact measures they give and not making any allowance that plants are in soil and they are doing fine and dandy. My ppm is 840 on the 700 scale. Taking approach if it aint broke.......

First time using this brand of food. I bought it to use in Wilmas which Im no longer using.
 
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i gave up with ppm , my tap water was reading 800ppm out the tap lol ...

i just use my plants now , if they look hungry , up the nutes , if they start to go to dark green or get tip burn i back off nutes .... only thing i check is ph but even then i dont really care too much as long as its roughly where it should be im happy
 
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RE: Deleted ppm question.....Reason I was starting to ask that question is cos Im feeding GeneralHydroponics 3 part to my plants in soil, im using the exact measures they give and not making any allowance that plants are in soil and they are doing fine and dandy. My ppm is 840 on the 700 scale. Taking approach if it aint broke.......

First time using this brand of food. I bought it to use in Wilmas which Im no longer using.
I been usin gh flora series for 15 yrs now.

Am I allowed to ask this? Anyone else in Wiltshire Uk here?
Yeah im from there too
 
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Represent bitches!!!
75px Coat of arms of Wiltshire Council
 
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i gave up with ppm , my tap water was reading 800ppm out the tap lol ...

i just use my plants now , if they look hungry , up the nutes , if they start to go to dark green or get tip burn i back off nutes .... only thing i check is ph but even then i dont really care too much as long as its roughly where it should be im happy
WTF is up with your tapwater? Do you live near a nuclear power station? I too dont bother checking PH as yet to find a decent PH meter last one I bought I spent about £50 on and was again useless (cant remember why) It was an essentials waterproof one.
 
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WTF is up with your tapwater? Do you live near a nuclear power station? I too dont bother checking PH as yet to find a decent PH meter last one I bought I spent about £50 on and was again useless (cant remember why) It was an essentials waterproof one.
After 2 whole house filters my tap water is 1100ppm!!!
 
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no not near me but id love to go to stonehenge for a smoke lol
Im pretty much halfway between Stonehenge and Avebury, gotta say Avebury's my fave of the two, its for less corporate as in no admission fee etc and you can wander round the stones any time night or day! :):smoking:
 
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ive been trying to move down that way for years ... i got married in torquay ;)

Id love to live down that way but now i dont work i wouldnt be able to get a mortgage down their :(
 
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ive been trying to move down that way for years ... i got married in torquay ;)

Id love to live down that way but now i dont work i wouldnt be able to get a mortgage down their :(

And there was me thinking you were a self employed gardener! :D

Which reminds me, did anyone see that Rhod Gilbert show where he goes round Britain looking for Britain's best part time band. He was with some white reggae band from cornwall whos lead singer incidentally spoke like a rasta man . I found that extremely cringey. I could maybe understand it if he grew up in some heavily West Indian neighbourhood but he was from Cornwall ffs! Anyway I digress, when they were saying what the band members occupations were, one was quoted as being an urban gardener! Anyone else see that and jump to same conclusion as moi? :)
 
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