Third Times A Charm

Tearsofshiva · Sep 5, 2017

Overall doing really well stacking nicely it's day 32 of flower....

Two plants have their upper leaves curling bad with brown spots and I saw it beginning to develop in other places so I flushed everything and it seemed to help but I attached pictures. It happened really fast so I'm assuming it was a lockout situation, I tried increasing the frequency of tea I was applying and overdid it. Also I believe the fungus gnats are feeding off of the fungus in the soil which is causing the ratio of bacteria to fungus to fall out of balance in favor of the bacteria.

Tearsofshiva · Sep 5, 2017

My ac was exhausting passively into the next room of the basement which was causing heat and smell build up throughout the basement and coming back into the room. So my partner and I added an extraction fan and inline filter and routed the exhaust outside the house.

Now we face the challenge of syncing the exhaust fan with the ac so that it only goes on when the ac does otherwise our co2 burner will just constantly be burning.... a new day a new challenge/opportunity lol

Tearsofshiva · Oct 6, 2017

Sorry it's been so long....

Had to chop them at 7 weeks, my fungus gnat problem was getting too outta control. It's time to break everything down and reset.

I'm ordering new lights and grow tents to be my veg space, my next run I'm getting clones from a friend 16 wifi og and 16 gorilla glue

Here's madddd pics of the harvest and after trim etc

Tearsofshiva · Oct 6, 2017

Organikz · Oct 6, 2017

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I hate those bastards. We're they hurting your plants. I just find them to be annoying. I keep those neem cake/ kelp teas rolling and now I've stopped being scared and started feeding soap nut tea to the soil. It's like peroxide on steroids. 43 hydrogen and 3 oxygen or something crazy. It has made my plants perk the he'll up and seems to be keeping gnats at bay.

As long as you keep your plants infected with something at all times. Spinosad stays in the system 10 to 14 days. Neem around 14 days. I don't think BTI is taken in systematically but could be wrong. I think it's an litter tissue dweller.

Tearsofshiva · Oct 6, 2017

Organikz said:
I hate those bastards. We're they hurting your plants. I just find them to be annoying. I keep those neem cake/ kelp teas rolling and now I've stopped being scared and started feeding soap nut tea to the soil. It's like peroxide on steroids. 43 hydrogen and 3 oxygen or something crazy. It has made my plants perk the he'll up and seems to be keeping gnats at bay.

As long as you keep your plants infected with something at all times. Spinosad stays in the system 10 to 14 days. Neem around 14 days. I don't think BTI is taken in systematically but could be wrong. I think it's an litter tissue dweller.

I used the soap nut and neem oil mix and I've been spraying with spinosad also but these fucks are still outta control. I top dressed with neem and karanja cake months ago but I haven't used kelp. A buddy who grows no til said he puts a tablespoon of kelp meal on the top layer of soil and hasn't seen a fungus gnat in 3 years. So that's pretty much right in line with your kelp/neem karanja tea... what is ur recipe for that?

Ecompost · Oct 8, 2017

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your product still looks very good. Have you tried nematodes to control your fungus gnat issue?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Nema-globe-Fungus-Gnat-Control-Nematodes-322/203148477

Tearsofshiva · Oct 21, 2017

Ecompost said:
your product still looks very good. Have you tried nematodes to control your fungus gnat issue?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Nema-globe-Fungus-Gnat-Control-Nematodes-322/203148477

Yes I did two applications a about a month apart to no avail. Guess I just need to build the population more. Bought three different kinds to do all at once? Or maybe three successive days so that they're life cycles are staggered?
I'd be real interested to get your opinion on maybe having some sort of aquarium with DO to harvest nematodes so I could continually apply (I'm indoors with 5 gal containers)

Tearsofshiva · Oct 21, 2017

Also I just got my amendments to topdress for next round and the gypsum came as a bag of calcium sulfate pellets... I dunno just not what I was expecting feel like this shit my burn my soil even tho it says on the bag won't affect pH

Ecompost · Oct 25, 2017

Tearsofshiva said:
Yes I did two applications a about a month apart to no avail. Guess I just need to build the population more. Bought three different kinds to do all at once? Or maybe three successive days so that they're life cycles are staggered?
I'd be real interested to get your opinion on maybe having some sort of aquarium with DO to harvest nematodes so I could continually apply (I'm indoors with 5 gal containers)

breeding them is tricky, you need grubs and some skill, a bit of lab kit, basic, but still, and then time. I apply within 2 weeks. One application when you already have the bugs in one then another 10-14 days later. This helps sequence the todes with the life cycle of the gnats. Always apply in low light, never in the sun, make sure you keep tje media damp for up to 2 weeks, they really ought to work within 48hours, adults above ground can be managed with sticky traps set just above the soil level, or by using something like beauvaria bassiana which is a foiliar applied fungus for bio control of the adults.
When you mix with water, stir the todes, then wait 5 minutes, stir again and apply asap, again low light and enough water to make sure they get in to the substrate, keep moist. do not let the media dry out between applications aim for 40-60% soil moisture and you will be ok

Ecompost · Oct 25, 2017

Tearsofshiva said:
Also I just got my amendments to topdress for next round and the gypsum came as a bag of calcium sulfate pellets... I dunno just not what I was expecting feel like this shit my burn my soil even tho it says on the bag won't affect pH

gypsum does not impact pH, do not add more than 50g per m2 and note that as gypsum degrades, it takes N from the system. I recommend top dressing gypsum with some manures, these can be green eg kelp or comfrey mulch but better as horse poop, worm casts, guano that sort of thing. This will help boost N levels to pick up any shortfall as the gypsum degrades.

Tearsofshiva · Oct 28, 2017

Been awhile since I checked in on here but I promise I still been hard at work...

I let my living soil stay in it's 5 gallon pots, turned all my lights on and cranked the heat up to about 110, sprayed with neem ipm mixture, sprayed with spinosad, and ran crushed soapnuts thru my res to wash all the pots out and sterilize them.

I threw 3 of my runts into the vegetable garden and I just harvested those on Monday too, they actually look better than my indoor harvest (much smaller tho) and I literally didn't touch them once. They're in living soil from my first grow, I decided to throw it outside because the base was fox farms and I think it made the mix hot.

Tearsofshiva · Oct 28, 2017

Put a humidifier in my flower room to keep it under 30 rh to discourage my fungus gnat problem.

Tearsofshiva · Oct 28, 2017

Meanwhile.... I bought three 4'x4'x7' grow tents for my veg space (2 for feeding flower room, and 1 for mothers/clones). Set these up and moved my pots into them so I can quarantine and spray all my veg stuff while I bomb and clean my flower room. Each veg tent will have two 180 watt leds and I'm putting six 630w lec in my flower room. So needless to say I need to get some construction done to my room as well so the tents help to provide a safe space for everything while I reconfigure and wire everything.

Tearsofshiva · Oct 28, 2017

The red zipper is my drying/curing/trimming room....

Once I had the pots in the tents I added 25,000 hypoapsis miles to my pots and 4 red wrigglers to each 5 gallon pot. I top dressed with 1/2 tbs kelp meal, 1/2 tbs neem/Karanja cake, 1/2 tbs gypsum. And then 1/2" layer of castings...

Tearsofshiva · Oct 28, 2017

I also got my clones to get my veg space nice and stocked. Planted them in 50/50 compost-perlite, dusted the roots with endo myco as I transplanted into solo cups. Plan is to transplant into final home in 5 gallon containers in 2 weeks.
16 white fire og
12 gorilla glue
4 humboldt cheese
And 1 sunshine daydream in coco that I put into soil and hope to take cuts from eventually.
Sprayed everything moist with aloe/coconut mix and hope to give it potassium silicate with first real watering.
Hopefully they all love their new homes!!!

Tearsofshiva · Oct 28, 2017

Here's them in the tents all transplanted

Ecompost · Oct 29, 2017

Tearsofshiva said:
I also got my clones to get my veg space nice and stocked. Planted them in 50/50 compost-perlite, dusted the roots with endo myco as I transplanted into solo cups. Plan is to transplant into final home in 5 gallon containers in 2 weeks.
16 white fire og
12 gorilla glue
4 humboldt cheese
And 1 sunshine daydream in coco that I put into soil and hope to take cuts from eventually.
Sprayed everything moist with aloe/coconut mix and hope to give it potassium silicate with first real watering.
Hopefully they all love their new homes!!!

I use nano breathe on my clones. nano particles of Calcium, Magnesium and Iron, plus CO2. I find this boosts the cuttings internal resources and improves the resistance to losses in turgor and so helps prevent drying out. It also helps to stimulate faster root set due to the added nutrients we can use which are added via the remaining leaf matter and stem, which typically, clones dont get access too, obviously, since we have removed a root when taking from mum.

great work and good luck with your fungus gnats, they can be persistent. I use sticky traps always, since these allow me to trap and diagnose what bugs are in my system and of course they will trap adults so preventing them from contributing to populations there after. i totally dig Beauvaria so if you want to add a fungus based bio control, this is the one for adults and larva alike :-)

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