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Lazerus00 · Aug 23, 2015

Power OG said:
In my opinion there just 2 diffrent color Apple's. Both good. Does either come with a dome?

i would assume they both do but i never asked so the prollly dont

Lazerus00 · Aug 23, 2015

Sorry for all the questions guys but its that kinda day for me.....for blasting is there any better brand then Puretane?

Power OG · Aug 23, 2015

I have a oxy cloner and a 8site aero clone bucket both work great set it and forget it. I will say ez clone is also very good.

Power OG · Aug 23, 2015

SourDank said:
I have a ez cloner and I went back to rock wool cubes and the dome. I seem to do better that way. I'll leave dome completely sealed for the 1st 72 hours and then crack the little circles on top after that and I get 100% by day 7-8 9/10 I put clones in there. Never less than 90% success rate

This is actually the way I'm cloning now is in rockwool and tray with dome and it's works 98% , imo best cloning technique.

Lazerus00 · Aug 23, 2015

Power OG said:
This is actually the way I'm cloning now is in rockwool and tray with dome and it's works 98% , imo best cloning technique.

any reason you use rockwool instead of the rapid rooter plugs?

MGRox · Aug 23, 2015

Y'all respond too fast!! I slowly put this together while on the phone and doin' duties; sorry I'm late.
@Lazerus00 I would be curious to hear from someone that has used the clone king, as it's quite a bit cheaper. I wonder if there's a difference in the spray pattern of the nozzles vs the two. The fan feature with the turbocloner is welcome indeed. I'd have a little concern with the pump included in the clone king and possibly would replace it; if I had one.

Setting aside any names or specific setups, we can still "lump" cloning processes into a few categories; "Bare root vs root in medium" and "dome vs no dome".

Personally and easiest; I tend to prefer a "no dome" method of cloning vs a dome. Here it just boils down to (I feel), less chance of total possible issues without a dome than with.
Looking at bare root vs root in medium, the differences and / or benefits falls into a more gray area. With bare root, I've done a "spinner" (forget name brand), ultrasonic fogging, dwc bubbler and turbo cloner. With root in medium; I've done potting soil, peat moss, coir, perlite and jiffy pellets (I know of another who has used the rapid rooters some). Personally for me, I consider that root in medium methods offer more "buffer" to variation and incidence than does a bare root method. However, visibly seeing root development and (in certain cases) faster or more robust rooting; tends to be more of the advantages offered via bare root.

I've never used the rapid rooters, but know one who did for a bit and they are pretty sweet for sure. Since I do perpetual and is easiest for me to get those local; I would pay for a turbo cloner in appx 1 year buying those. The ONLY reason I haven't used them is cost....but I'm cheap. For a root in medium method and cost aside; I'd defo be lookin at those.

From the bare root perspective I still feel that the fogger was the best in that arena though I got sick of replacing the fogger every few months. Specifically with the turbo cloner I'm still in testing mode with it and have only been usin it a couple months. I needed to make another bubble / medium unit but was lazy, so I thought I would try the turbo. I adjust the water temperature via the pump timing. Though I'm working on a mod to automate this relative to stem moisture. One interesting thing with the turbo cloner, for me, will be that it has to be running all the time and always has cuts of varying progress to rooting. So, I'm interested to see how this plays out long-term.

just giving out some thoughts or things that I consider here, not trying to lean you one way or another.

Lazerus00 · Aug 23, 2015

MGRox said:
Y'all respond too fast!! I slowly put this together while on the phone and doin' duties; sorry I'm late.
@Lazerus00 I would be curious to hear from someone that has used the clone king, as it's quite a bit cheaper. I wonder if there's a difference in the spray pattern of the nozzles vs the two. The fan feature with the turbocloner is welcome indeed. I'd have a little concern with the pump included in the clone king and possibly would replace it; if I had one.

Setting aside any names or specific setups, we can still "lump" cloning processes into a few categories; "Bare root vs root in medium" and "dome vs no dome".

Personally and easiest; I tend to prefer a "no dome" method of cloning vs a dome. Here it just boils down to (I feel), less chance of total possible issues without a dome than with.
Looking at bare root vs root in medium, the differences and / or benefits falls into a more gray area. With bare root, I've done a "spinner" (forget name brand), ultrasonic fogging, dwc bubbler and turbo cloner. With root in medium; I've done potting soil, peat moss, coir, perlite and jiffy pellets (I know of another who has used the rapid rooters some). Personally for me, I consider that root in medium methods offer more "buffer" to variation and incidence than does a bare root method. However, visibly seeing root development and (in certain cases) faster or more robust rooting; tends to be more of the advantages offered via bare root.

I've never used the rapid rooters, but know one who did for a bit and they are pretty sweet for sure. Since I do perpetual and is easiest for me to get those local; I would pay for a turbo cloner in appx 1 year buying those. The ONLY reason I haven't used them is cost....but I'm cheap. For a root in medium method and cost aside; I'd defo be lookin at those.

From the bare root perspective I still feel that the fogger was the best in that arena though I got sick of replacing the fogger every few months. Specifically with the turbo cloner I'm still in testing mode with it and have only been usin it a couple months. I needed to make another bubble / medium unit but was lazy, so I thought I would try the turbo. I adjust the water temperature via the pump timing. Though I'm working on a mod to automate this relative to stem moisture. One interesting thing with the turbo cloner, for me, will be that it has to be running all the time and always has cuts of varying progress to rooting. So, I'm interested to see how this plays out long-term.

just giving out some thoughts or things that I consider here, not trying to lean you one way or another.

Wow bro!! Always drropping that super knowledg!! I love it! Your like the resident encylepedia along with @SeaF0ur and a bunch of you others that im too lazy to list...lol

When you mentioned about changing out the pump it made me think about how I was talking to the dude from dewey misters and I have a conference call setup fpr later today with him and using his misters...maybe like 6 of em I could make myself my own cloner but again for my operation that might be a lil unnecessary....more then likely ill stick to either rockwool or rapid rooter plugs along with the tray and dome i already own...but again thanks for always giving your highly respected opinion bro! Much Love@@

MGRox · Aug 23, 2015

ty for the kind words, though I'm no encyclopedia nor would I consider myself on par with seafour (or many others here for that matter).......but I do have a lot of useless information :D:D

good luck with your venture there, I'm sure you do great with it. so many ways work well and I'm totally with you using what ye got, why not; right?

Pimp T · Aug 23, 2015

I have used rockwool before. But with my organic cloning solution it doesn't work maybe the whole ph thing or something. I got more success with rockwool using clonex clone solution or low ppm base nutes and cloning gel. For instance two weeks ago I cut and soaked clones before I realized I ran out of rapid rooters so i had to use rockwool after 12 days I tore open the rockwool nothing no roots nothing but a black tip. So I recut the clones from the rockwool put them In rapid rooters and they all rooted. I didnt even kno that could happen. New lesson in the book if they dont root recut and try again

Tnelz · Aug 23, 2015

The absolute easiest way to clone is plugs or in straight coco. Just my opinion. Machines are fine. They work but there is things that go with that like cleaning and stuff. Honestly bro get some Rockwool or root plugs soak them for a few throw them in a tray u will never loose one. I think I've lost a total of 6 clones in the last ten years.

ken dog · Aug 23, 2015

Often times, clones won't take root if you are using dull scissors or dull cutting instruments... sterilization of the cunning tools is a must in my opinion.

I usually use a brand new scalpel each time I clone, and my buddy uses a brand new razor blade.

Tnelz · Aug 23, 2015

I respect everyone's opinion but I really think the process of cloning is so over thought. It's so easy it's crazy. I use the same old razor that I probably used on my first clone. Lol. I'm not in the habit of giving bad advice so I'm not suggesting u use old instruments I'm just saying. Cut dip and stick the thing into whatever u want. Use a dome for a few days mist the cut with some fulpower every couple days and water with a weak nutrient solution or bennies or coconut water and aloe or just water. And watch the roots come. My boy used to obsess over the process. He watched me do it one day and was like Jesus u don't do this or clean that. I was like dude just come back in 8 10 days. Always root no problem. Find a way that works for u and go with it. But please don't stress over it. It's to dam easy.

tobh · Aug 23, 2015

I'm with Tnelz on that one. Cut it, stick it in some powder and put the damn thing in some coco. You don't even need a dome. My feeling is a dome just presents more risk of damping off which seems to be the biggest culprit of clone failure aside from stem rot. I live in a place where the RH stays below 30% most days, even lower during the winter. Never have issues. Used to when I was wanting to use bubble cloners and gels and domes and rapid rooters and all that other crap that is just a money making gimmick for those that doubt the abilities of mother nature or themselves. We're not trying to clone hardwooded plants here, these things want to root.

Hell, I use a razor blade I've used a thousand times for various things, the scissors I cut them off the mother with, I use for kitchen purposes. No sterilization no cleaning, no scientific process at all. I've even done it shit faced drunk and lost like one clone, probably forgot to dip it in rooting powder considering my drunken state. Cloning is definitely a K.I.S.S. process for sure.

ken dog · Aug 23, 2015

It's not as easy to clone for some people as some people might think. Personally, I've never had many troubles with it, but I have had some issues that I've dealt with.
Some people simply cannot do it... which is why I offered suggestions to increase success for those who need it.

What matters, is that you get very clean cuts with no ragged edges.

tobh · Aug 23, 2015

Agreed. Don't push the razor through it, slice it. The bruising that happens seems to be the sure fire influencer to stem rot/lack of throwing roots.

Tnelz · Aug 23, 2015

Couldn't agree more With @tobh. That's what I was saying. I've literally used the same straight razor the last two hundred clones I've cut. @ken dog I def believe there is validity to what u are saying. I feel ur advice is very sound. I also agree that a lot of people have a tough time. I just think that's caused by over thinking things. Straight to coco is just so easy it's fool proof. Cut dip jam it in. No dome no nothing. Just water with what u like. Can't be any easier. Anyone having problems should just try it.

ken dog · Aug 23, 2015

Yes guys...the key is making that nice cut.
thanks.:)

SeaF0ur · Aug 23, 2015

To any grower displeased with their skill.... here's something to make y'all feel better....

Rootbound · Aug 23, 2015

One of the most important keys to cloning is taking your cuttings from a HEALTHY plant. I use plugs and a dome. 99% success rate with a healthy donor plant.

tobh · Aug 23, 2015

@SeaF0ur those are some hideous looking buds! Did sacks really contain that quality of trim work not that long ago? Lol I've gotten mexican brick weed that looked trimmed better than that!

Although, I have talked with some old schoolers that bitched about the trim work now adays. "You need those leaves to protect the trichomes. Without those leaves, the buds get destroyed." Sorry about my thoughts on this, but I'm looking to smoke flowers, not leaves. Just my 2 pennies.

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