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gardnguyahoy said:
Sorry to dbl post. Yo @Power OG lets see how that cornbreads looking. Im excited about that shit on the daily homie.
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She's going in this week maybe tonight so pics soon.
** ANYONE WAITING ON CLONES FROM THERE COMING, temps are still mid 90's so soon as i hit upper to mid 80's i will get them out i just ask for your continued patience
Power OG
 
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MGRox said:
@Power OG Nice pics as usual!!! I must say I'm often distracted from the overall bud pic, as I'm always trying to find burnt tips. :D
@SpitXFire happy B-day as well.

@EyeC thank you for your thoughts and I do agree there are too many variables to ever nail a lot of things down to absolutes, when it comes to these plants. One good thing here, with the overall picture I'm getting to; is that I believe I have most of the pieces to the puzzle and know what the puzzle looks like; but there are a few pieces left to fit. So the hypothesis mentioned is a potential "piece" and my hopes were / are to figure those things out. There's enough experience and sheer knowledge floating around on the forum, that I would presume it possible. At least to develop maybe a theory.

@SeaF0ur Thank you as well for your thoughts and info!
With your reference to "the first part" and "root exudate" testing; I'm assuming your talking about the hypothesis, right? I've not looked a ton into exudates, other than to know how / why they alter in order to increase availability of certain groups of elements (cation / anion). I remember jumpincactus had a nice thread on root exudates for signaling and quorum sensing. Guess the only other thing I read was with hormones produced in the roots and their relation to exudates. That definitely seems like an interesting avenue to investigate more!! I'll have to find out if there's a specific exudate relative to nitrogen sufficiency for that to work.
-I suppose thinking another way. Would you consider doing leaf tissue testing as a viable alternative there? Since any transported nitrate that does not have sufficient reductase, gets stored in those leaf tissues as organic nitrogen (dark leaf). Would you think that doing organic nitrogen sampling (of leaf tissues) at a given nitrate level and moving from veg to flower; could also work?

@ ALL of you guys
TBH, I was kinda hoping with the hypothesis that someone might say "oh, no it's because of this". I've not found research specific to it and I don't know if that's been done.

One part that, at least, CAN be stated is that; a plant can utilize less nitrate in flower, in part, because nitrate reductase production (being bound to the calvin cycle) is lowered as a result of shorter photoperiods in flowering.
However, I still feel there are other factors (like possibly sugar diversion) as I would presume the change from this would be seen during stretch. As well it would not seem to explain the variability in the nitrate assimilation capacity of differing strains; transitioning into flower. (few I've tested).

Last again @SeaF0ur With having separate formulas for the different stages; yea, I'm missing the Vegetative and I need to make one specific at some point. Now with the life stages, I guess I looked into that while researching why P is "required" to be higher in bloom (found none outside of grain filling / seed production). I'm looking at things from different "terms" than you brought across, but I'm pretty sure we are talking about the same thing.

Vegetative - I don't have a specific formula here
Pre-Flowering - Since I run cuts or hold seeds to maturity; everything in veg area is in this state (more or less) and gets a specific NPK.
Early Flower - From my reading (and I believe your saying the same thing) this is the period of "inflorescence meristem" activity. The response with short day plants when the photoperiod changes, in which compounds begin to break down the gibberellins (bloom inhibitor). The period lasts until the inibitors are removed. This gets section gets a specific NPK.
Peak Flowering - (Here again I believe your saying the same thing) From reading, this is the period of "Floral meristem" activity and is when floral organs begin to develop. In the research I found, this is what marks the beginning of flower, oddly enough. This section gets a specific NPK.
Late Flowering- Research I found into flowering stages didn't specifially categorize a separate section here; though it was pointed out that certain hormones do behave differently in late flower versus other stages. This section gets a specific NPK.
Flush- I guess many do this stage and I do also, but don't count as a stage per se.

So, I believe, I'm doing all the stages you mention (excluding veg) and that were talking about the same thing; just different terminology.

Sorry to be long or if I rambled. I'm crummy at short posts.
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I would say right now you wont see any burnt tips, but it does happen from time to time cuz i get lazy or do some dumb shit.lol just been smooth sailing lately in my garden, lets hope it stays this way.
 
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Also we have a bunch of new growers on the thread, so please learn, ask questions build friendships, this thread is NOT a place to come just to get genetics. If you are new here and dnt know how it works ask one of the vets, but no one should be being hit up for genetics if there no personal friendship, asking for clones can get you band. Its a grow site and this thread is definitely one of the best and most honest, thats never a question, i have friends on this thread that i have known a few years, some only a year and some just met, it takes time respect, trust to get some of these genetics , it takes time and you got earn it, so to speak just like everyone before you. Friends are way more important to me than genetics. Genetics comes from friends sharing its that simple. This needed to be said so everyone is on the same page.
 
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MGRox said:
@Power OG Nice pics as usual!!! I must say I'm often distracted from the overall bud pic, as I'm always trying to find burnt tips. :D
@SpitXFire happy B-day as well.

@EyeC thank you for your thoughts and I do agree there are too many variables to ever nail a lot of things down to absolutes, when it comes to these plants. One good thing here, with the overall picture I'm getting to; is that I believe I have most of the pieces to the puzzle and know what the puzzle looks like; but there are a few pieces left to fit. So the hypothesis mentioned is a potential "piece" and my hopes were / are to figure those things out. There's enough experience and sheer knowledge floating around on the forum, that I would presume it possible. At least to develop maybe a theory.

@SeaF0ur Thank you as well for your thoughts and info!
With your reference to "the first part" and "root exudate" testing; I'm assuming your talking about the hypothesis, right? I've not looked a ton into exudates, other than to know how / why they alter in order to increase availability of certain groups of elements (cation / anion). I remember jumpincactus had a nice thread on root exudates for signaling and quorum sensing. Guess the only other thing I read was with hormones produced in the roots and their relation to exudates. That definitely seems like an interesting avenue to investigate more!! I'll have to find out if there's a specific exudate relative to nitrogen sufficiency for that to work.
-I suppose thinking another way. Would you consider doing leaf tissue testing as a viable alternative there? Since any transported nitrate that does not have sufficient reductase, gets stored in those leaf tissues as organic nitrogen (dark leaf). Would you think that doing organic nitrogen sampling (of leaf tissues) at a given nitrate level and moving from veg to flower; could also work?

@ ALL of you guys
TBH, I was kinda hoping with the hypothesis that someone might say "oh, no it's because of this". I've not found research specific to it and I don't know if that's been done.

One part that, at least, CAN be stated is that; a plant can utilize less nitrate in flower, in part, because nitrate reductase production (being bound to the calvin cycle) is lowered as a result of shorter photoperiods in flowering.
However, I still feel there are other factors (like possibly sugar diversion) as I would presume the change from this would be seen during stretch. As well it would not seem to explain the variability in the nitrate assimilation capacity of differing strains; transitioning into flower. (few I've tested).

Last again @SeaF0ur With having separate formulas for the different stages; yea, I'm missing the Vegetative and I need to make one specific at some point. Now with the life stages, I guess I looked into that while researching why P is "required" to be higher in bloom (found none outside of grain filling / seed production). I'm looking at things from different "terms" than you brought across, but I'm pretty sure we are talking about the same thing.

Vegetative - I don't have a specific formula here
Pre-Flowering - Since I run cuts or hold seeds to maturity; everything in veg area is in this state (more or less) and gets a specific NPK.
Early Flower - From my reading (and I believe your saying the same thing) this is the period of "inflorescence meristem" activity. The response with short day plants when the photoperiod changes, in which compounds begin to break down the gibberellins (bloom inhibitor). The period lasts until the inibitors are removed. This gets section gets a specific NPK.
Peak Flowering - (Here again I believe your saying the same thing) From reading, this is the period of "Floral meristem" activity and is when floral organs begin to develop. In the research I found, this is what marks the beginning of flower, oddly enough. This section gets a specific NPK.
Late Flowering- Research I found into flowering stages didn't specifially categorize a separate section here; though it was pointed out that certain hormones do behave differently in late flower versus other stages. This section gets a specific NPK.
Flush- I guess many do this stage and I do also, but don't count as a stage per se.

So, I believe, I'm doing all the stages you mention (excluding veg) and that were talking about the same thing; just different terminology.

Sorry to be long or if I rambled. I'm crummy at short posts.
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Leaf testing could be a viable resource, but I'm not sure if that would be able to tell you a specific timing of things (like your blood sugar spiking after a meal is not representative of your actual blood sugar levels) or if it would just show the excess compounding over time... be interesting in any event...
and yeah, although I'd say that late flower and flush are the same time period... early flower being stretch... but the gradual increase or decrease of nutrient usage was the point as opposed to, "this is day 1 of 12/12. now I start formula X at full dose" it sounds similar to what you're talking about.


Power OG said:
She's going in this week maybe tonight so pics soon.
** ANYONE WAITING ON CLONES FROM THERE COMING, temps are still mid 90's so soon as i hit upper to mid 80's i will get them out i just ask for your continued patience
Power OG
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Is there a sign up sheet? I think I missed that.... one of everything please... haha
 
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SeaF0ur said:
Leaf testing could be a viable resource, but I'm not sure if that would be able to tell you a specific timing of things (like your blood sugar spiking after a meal is not representative of your actual blood sugar levels) or if it would just show the excess compounding over time... be interesting in any event...
and yeah, although I'd say that late flower and flush are the same time period... early flower being stretch... but the gradual increase or decrease of nutrient usage was the point as opposed to, "this is day 1 of 12/12. now I start formula X at full dose" it sounds similar to what you're talking about.




Is there a sign up sheet? I think I missed that.... one of everything please... haha
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What seafour said x 2 thanks lol.
 
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@MGRox I like the way you are thinking through this. Since another thought just came to mind i'll state it. Will you be running 12/12, 11/13, or some other light cycle method. Light cycles obviously have profound effects on hormonal fluctuations and i am sure that there must be significant variances for nutrients running different day and night lengths.

@Power OG Good reminder as it is easy to get caught up in the enthusiasm of a new site and want to get a bunch of new stuff. Been there done that. ;) After all friendships are the best kinds of ships. :D
 
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Im actually planning on doin a one week veg with cookiez and fighter being included u have any whole plant shots of the starfighter like u have with cookies I can see for reference as to how big itll be @Power OG what do you estimate the cookies will yield?
 
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SpitXFire said:
Good shit @Power OG, too many newbies want this and that. Lurking is a long lost art form ;) lurked myself for damn near 4 yrs without speaking to a single soul online. I assume you n Tnelz talked? Or you've been on jj's forum?
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We talked brother. This is an ongoing issue. Lol.
 
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Junk said:
I'm not sure what you mean (maybe I missed a post) but if you have one flyer, that's all that's needed to produce another colony. Fliers will reproduce a-sexually.
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Yeah we were talking about spotting the diff between fungus gnats and root aphid flyers. I got fungus gnats rite now... Id do something about it but i just had a kid about 4 days ago (my first! Woo) and ive been negelecting my garden....

Speaking of which.. I ran in there today with like 10 minutes to spare in my day..my veg shelf and my flower room had mad droopage. One of my flowering ladies looked like she got hit by a hurricane. All leaves down, buds tilting, flopping over.... I flipped out and instantly dumped a ton of plain water into all my plants. Then dipped. I hope everything is ok, fuck.

Does anyone know if letting your plants dry out at 45 -50ish days in does a lot of damage? If so...i think im screwed.

@Power OG oh for sure, i thought you had maybe run some already, or currently. Nothing but respect G. Truth. If you find it in your heart to bless this turd with something special it would really mean a lot to me, but i wont be let down if you dont. And wont be discouraged if you dont. So either way man, i agree. Id much rather have your friendship than that stuff any day of the week, not to say i dont want it lol, but honestly, if you love to grow as i feel i do, then MANY genetics will come and go over the years. If i had a homie to kick it with and show me a good time when im down in the south, shit thatd be something worth a big effort. You know? Nothing but respect man. No worries or stress at all.

@MGRox i find your knowledge on the plant, and current inquiry to gain more, fascinating. Even if we do want the best nuggage possible, and of course we do, i totally get your drive to want to know EVERYTHING about this plant. For its this type of inquiry, in my mind, that got the science of cultivating MJ so advanced today. Who knows dudes, maybe MG is about to find out weve been doin it wrong all these years. Or discover a new way to guage npk needed...or...something lol. Im fascinated by the endeavor into the un-endeavored, and the fact that your simply trying to gain a full circle understanding of the plant, respect. Most folks wouldnt sacrifice their crop to learn. Least the ones i know. I know i havent commented or responded to any of your posts, but i read every one thoroughly, and thought id let you know i support and dig your ideas. Even if it does yield you larfy crappy buds in the end lol. If you learn something about growing, i think its worth it. Rock on homie, your bossin it right now.
 
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Speaking of which @Power OG @Tnelz you guys ever come out to southern cali lemme know. Be down to connect you with some dank and show yall around to some ill spots, beaches, etc... No worries ; )
 
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gardnguyahoy said:
Speaking of which @Power OG @Tnelz you guys ever come out to southern cali lemme know. Be down to connect you with some dank and show yall around to some ill spots, beaches, etc... No worries ; )
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Trying very hard to get to cali. Thanks man. If anything ever comes my way job wise out there I'd be there in a heartbeat.
 
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