Top MIT scientist: Newest UN climate report Hilariously flawed

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Anyone posting photo shopped pictures of or talking about a politician is pushing a political agenda here and is not a scientist.

And You Are? (what, A Rocket Scientist...) The Photos of Al Gores House are Legit. Prove otherwise "Rocket Man" They're available on Line.

Times-Union readers want to know:
An email I received, “A tale of two houses,” compares Al Gore’s mansion in Nashville to George W. Bush’s ranch in Texas. The email shows two houses. The first, it says, is Gore’s 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) that consumes more energy in a month than the average American household does in a year. It says the average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400 per month. The Bush house, the email says, incorporates every “green” feature current home construction can provide and uses a system that consumes 25 percent of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling unit. Is all this true?
Yes, the basic premise is true, according to research by various fact-finders, The Associated Press and The Chicago Tribune.

But as all the fact checking services agree — FactCheck.org, Snopes.com, TruthOrFiction.com and Ted Emery of About.com — the Gore house back in the day was still an energy gobbler.

The Gores also bought new digs in 2009 — a $8.875 million ocean view villa in Montecito, Calif., according to the Los Angeles Times. The Times asked for comment on whether the 6,500-square-foot property was going to be environmentally retrofitted, but the newspaper did not get a response.

Read it and Weep "Rocket Man" People in Ca. are Well Aware of Al Gores Mansion...



P.S. As for Barack Obama... Come On, He's A Douche Bag, I threw that up for the "Fun Factor" and His View of Who / What He Thinks He is in His Own Mind... :woot:

 

[Funkadelic]

No ones talking politicians. Talk science or you have no credibility. Peer reviewed.

Do it right or you're just ranting like a Faux "News" pundit.

Gores house has literally zero to do with this.

Sorry you lost the election, bro. It happens. This is clearly political opinion and not science.

No insults intended. You do seem like a cool guy and it's okay to disagree. Wasn't trying to be a dick, but if you want to debate science, you need to know how that works VS politics.

 

[Funkadelic]

Right Back @ Ya... All the things You listed as "Examples of Global Warming" ALL Occurred "Multiple Times" Before Man Ever "Discovered" or "Used" Fossil Fuel Einstein...

Fair enough and I appreciate you keeping it civil, bro.

I actually really like you despite me ranting about science denial.

Your point needs to consider the rate of change since the industrial revolution.
It appears anthropomorphic.

Humans definitely influence the environment. Ask the Mayans or Easter Islanders.

Again, my apologies for being rude even if we disagree.

 

[SoCal 420]

No Worries... I see things from A Broader point of view and weather people want to Admit that the past 15 Years has seen A Cooling Trend that "Defies" Global Warming Models or Not, I could care less. It's Out and The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has Acknowledged and Discussed it. What Really matters is All the "HYPE" of Global Warming won't Do Squat Even if the U.S. goes to "Extreme Measures" because the CO2 is "All ready There" and the U.S. acting alone (Like Pissing on A 5 Alarm Fire) does "Zero" to "Reverse" that Level. I Never Said "CO2 Levels are Not Rising"


Developing Countries' Carbon Emissions Will Vastly Outpace Developed Nations, U.S. EIA Says
Reuters | Posted: 07/25/2013 7:59 am EDT

WASHINGTON, July 25 (Reuters) - Energy-related carbon dioxide emissions from developing countries will be 127 percent higher than in the world's most developed economies by 2040, according to figures released Thursday by the U.S. Energy Information Administration

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/carbon-emissions-developing-countries_n_3651513.html

You Believe that Imposing A Carbon Tax To "Pay" for the Worlds Past Sin, does Anything to Change the CO2 Level or Stop Global Warming??? :woot: My thought is the World is Incredibly Resilient, It has the ability to "Adapt" and it might not be the "Best" for "Us" (if you "Grow" you know, Great for Plant Life) but it will continue Long After "We" are gone. 2-3 degrees "Warmer" and the Ocean is Closer to Me... in Cali.? BFD.

I currently Ride A Built Cafe 96 Ducati Monster that Averages 45 mpg, 200 Mi. per Tank @ A Whopping $16 (Main Transpo) A GT Triangle (Old School) Converted to A Single Speed (Powerful Legs, for Muay Thai) around town. Own A Car that is "Exempt" from Ca. Emissions Testing, 650 H.P. 26 M.P.G. Has "Zero" smog Equipment and "Runs Cleaner" on A Smog Test Machine than it's Smog Pump / Government Approved / AC/ Power Steering cousin (2012 Vette LS7 427) Average about 5000 Mi. per Year. Use $25 per Mo. Natural Gas for Heating in the Winter, About $150 for Electric... (Peak Summer) Not Counting Growing of Course (Currently Split w/ Partner @ Separate Location ;))

So What Is "Everybody Else's" Carbon Foot Print Compared to Mine? That Argues with Me about "Global Warming" (or Not) Hmmm... What Have "You" done about Global Warming Lately ;) besides "Bitch" @ Me About it... Feeling Guilty? I'm Not! Wasn't my Doing! :cigar:

 

[SoCal 420]

Funkadelic Quote of the Day... "No ones talking politicians. Talk science or you have no credibility. Peer reviewed.

Do it right or you're just ranting like a Faux "News" pundit.

Gores house has literally zero to do with this.

Sorry you lost the election, bro. It happens. This is clearly political opinion and not science.

No insults intended. You do seem like a cool guy and it's okay to disagree. Wasn't trying to be a dick, but if you want to debate science, you need to know how that works VS politics."

Remember This... The Marlboro Man. During Prime Time Television, Racing and Sporting Events... What Ever Happened to These Commercials? Why did they "Ban" them from the Air Waves? He was "So Cool" Rugged & Healthy... An Outstanding "Image" to All Men...

Get It??? I Didn't "Bring Politics" to Al Gore... As for His Image? You decide... If you're Going to "Talk the Talk"...

 

[ttystikk]

Fair enough and I appreciate you keeping it civil, bro.

I actually really like you despite me ranting about science denial.

Your point needs to consider the rate of change since the industrial revolution.
It appears anthropomorphic.

Humans definitely influence the environment. Ask the Mayans or Easter Islanders.

Again, my apologies for being rude even if we disagree.

Again, the EPICA ice core showed the current post ice age period to be well warmer than at any time for the entire period of 600,000 years. There can be no coincidence, and in this case cause and effect has been pretty well nailed down. After all, we have a few million square miles of another recent environmental phenomenon, geologically speaking; widespread as opposed to local desertification. This was brought about by slash and burn agricultural practices in a poor soil environment. An additional factor was overgrazing of another new development, domesticated animals who are held in place instead of being allowed to migrate.

Those who say the modern industrial era is building on older practices that affected climate are very much on the money, and I find it very difficult indeed to peer around the obvious regression analysis and come up with any other conclusion that supports the facts.

 

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So... No Cool Down Over the Past 15 years? (Contradiction of IPCC Climate Models) (As the OPENING POST SAY'S and "All That I Have Stated"... All Along) How do you Explain the Following? Why does IPCC "Acknowledge" Something that Didn't Happen?

The comments on the slowdown are among 1,855 from governments around the world detailed in the document. The comments range from requests to spell out what acronyms stand for and eliminate scientific jargon to clarifying the likelihood of predictions and shuffling bits of text about.

Thursday, August 29, 2013
US & EU are pressuring the IPCC to explain why there has been no global warming for past 15+ years


The U.S. requested clarity on the implications of the [IPCC] data, commenting “this is an example of providing a bunch of numbers, then leave them up in the air without a concrete conclusion.”

Global Warming Slowdown Data Sought in UN Climate Report

By Alex Morales - Aug 29, 2013 - Bloomberg
U.S. and European Union envoys are seeking more clarity from the United Nations on a slowdown in global warming that climate skeptics have cited as a reason not to “panic” about environmental changes, leaked documents show.
They’re requesting that more details on the so-called “hiatus” be included in a key document set to be debated at a UN conference next month that will summarize the latest scientific conclusions on climate change.
Including more information on the hiatus will help officials counter arguments that the slowing pace of global warming in recent years is a sign that the long-term trend may be discounted, according to Bob Ward, policy director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics.
“In the public debate, there are people who are using the slowdown to say global warming is less of a problem than thought,” Ward said in an interview yesterday. “It has to be fully explained in the summary.”
A draft of the summary and the underlying 2,200-page report from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were obtained by Bloomberg from a person with official access to the documents who declined to be further identified because it hasn’t been published.
Government envoys from around the world will debate the final wording of the summary at an IPCC meeting that starts in Stockholm on Sept. 23. That document, formally the Summary for Policymakers, is designed to be used by ministers working to devise by 2015 a global treaty to curb climate change.
‘Key Issue’

The current version of the summary needs more information about the hiatus, according to the EU and the U.S.
“The recent slowing of the temperature trend is currently a key issue, yet it has not been adequately addressed in the SPM,” the EU said, according to an official paper that includes all governmental comments on the draft report. The U.S. comment suggested “adding information on recent hiatus in global mean air temperature trend.”
Isaac Valero-Ladron, a spokesman for EU Climate Action Commissioner Connie Hedegaard, declined to comment, citing a confidentiality agreement with the IPCC and the lack of a finalized text.
Jonathan Lynn, a spokesman for the UN panel, and Nayyera Haq, a U.S. State Department spokeswoman, both declined to comment.
Addressing the hiatus is important because skeptics of man’s influence on warming the planet have seized on the slowing pace temperature increase as evidence that scientists have exaggerated the impact of manmade greenhouse gases. That supports their assertion that there’s less need for expensive policies to curb carbon emissions from factories, vehicles and deforestation.
Climate Sensitivity

“Some people have suggested that the slowdown means that climate sensitivity is lower,” said Ward from the Grantham Institute.
Climate sensitivity is the increase in temperatures resulting from a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. In the latest draft, sensitivity is estimated at 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) to 4.5 degrees Celsius. That compares with the estimate of 2 degrees to 4.5 degrees from the UN’s last major climate assessment in 2007.
The summary document notes that the rate of warming over the past 15 years “is smaller than the trend since 1951,” citing a rate of about 0.05 degrees Celsius per decade in the years 1998 through 2012. The rate was about 0.12 degrees per decade from 1951 through 2012.
Carbon Emissions

The slowdown came as emissions grew, with the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere this year exceeding 400 parts per million for the first time on record.
The draft report includes possible reasons for the slowing rate, including natural variability, volcanic eruptions and a drop in solar energy reaching the Earth.
“Much of the information is present but it requires a lot of effort on the part of the reader to piece it all together,” the 28-nation EU said in the comments document.
The U.S. requested clarity on the implications of the data, commenting “this is an example of providing a bunch of numbers, then leave them up in the air without a concrete conclusion.”
Norway, Denmark and China requested information on the role oceans have played in the slowdown. China cited three scientific papers, including a study in the journal Geophysical Research Letters in May that found deep ocean waters below 700 meters (2,300 feet) have absorbed more heat since 1999.
Ocean Temperatures

A separate study in the journal Nature Aug. 28 linked the hiatus to a cooling of surface waters in the eastern Pacific. The cut-off date for papers to be considered in the UN report was March 15.
The UN World Meteorological Organization defines climate as the average weather over a 30-year period, and scientists say the 15-year slowdown isn’t long enough to mark a trend. Hungary and Germany, both EU members, cited this as a reason to delete any reference to the hiatus in the summary, while Japan questioned the purpose of using a 15-year average.
“A 15-years period of observation is not sufficient to give a qualified analysis of the global mean surface temperature trend in an assessment of climate change,” Germany said. It also said the use of the word “hiatus” is “strongly misleading” because “there is not a pause or interruption, but a decrease in the warming trend.”
“We never comment on the internal procedures of the IPCC,” Nikolai Fichtner, a spokesman for the German environment ministry, said in an e-mail.

 

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"Slowdown Acknowledged"

The slowdown in warming has been acknowledged by the U.K. Met Office, which produces one of the world’s three main series of global temperature data, and James Hansen, the former NASA scientist who first brought climate change to the attention of Congress in the 1980s. They say the data is still compatible with humans being the main cause of warming.
Even with the slowdown, the decade of 2001 to 2010 was the warmest for both hemispheres and for land and sea, the WMO said July 3 in a report. The World Bank says the planet is on course to warm by 4 degrees Celsius by 2100 because of rising emissions.
That hasn’t stopped skeptics, from scientists to lawmakers and bloggers from seizing on the issue.
The Global Warming Policy Foundation, a U.K.-based research group that describes itself as “deeply concerned about the costs” of climate change policies, said in a report in March that “we are on the threshold of global observations becoming incompatible with the consensus theory of climate change.”
Don’t ‘Panic’
The Wall Street Journal published in January 2012 an opinion piece signed by 16 scientists that cited “the lack of global warming for well over 10 years now” as a reason not to “panic” about climate change. They included professors at Princeton and Cambridge universities,Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and former U.S. Senator and Apollo 17 astronaut Harrison Schmitt.
The comments on the slowdown are among 1,855 from governments around the world detailed in the document. The comments range from requests to spell out what acronyms stand for and eliminate scientific jargon to clarifying the likelihood of predictions and shuffling bits of text about.
Related: New paper in Nature finds there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 20 years

 

[SoCal 420]

'Historic' snow storms spread havoc and misery across the Middle East
The worst snow storms since 1953 have caused chaos in Israel and the Palestinian territories and exacerbated an already severe crisis among Syrian refugees

A Palestinian worshiper prays outside the Dome of the Rock at the Al-Aqsa mosque compound in the Old City of Jerusalem Photo: AHMAD GHARABLI/AFP

?????... ;) Some things are "Beyond" our control

Link -> -> -> -> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-havoc-and-misery-across-the-Middle-East.html