Travesty in Montana

[cannabeans]

I have been thinking about this.....Chris Lindsey was a part owner or employee ( Im not sure which, but i believe part owner)of Montana Cannabis during the time of the first Montana PBS special. I firmly believe that the federal government agents watched that special, and that firearm that I had mentioned in an earlier post, was the sole reason for the Federal Government becoming involved with the medial cannabis in the state of Montana. It seems to me... the fact that "they" had that firearm in plain view, with camera's rolling, on a PBS special about Cannabis, was the most stupid thing "they" could have done. If Chris was as "smart", as someone mentioned in an earlier post, He should have certainly advised against ANY WEAPONS in this facility. The amount of plants they were busted with, that we have been told, was well over 1000. Im not sure how ANYONE, in their right mind, would allow that to take place. I have compassion for these people! I still think what has and will continue to happen, IS WRONG! I hope others will wake up and realize the road to tyranny has already begun. You see....When the government uses YOUR RIGHTS given to you by our creator, AGAINST YOU, It can only mean one thing. TYRANNY!!!!It can only be "By will of the People" that WE CAN CHANGE OUR CURRENT SITUATION IN OUR COUNTRY!
tyranny (n) - Bing Dictionary

tyr·an·ny
[ tírrənee ]

1. cruel use of power:cruelty and injustice in the exercise of power or authority over others
2. oppressive government:oppressive government by one or more people who exercise absolute power cruelly and unjustly
3. state ruled by tyrant: a country or state under the power of an oppressive ruler

Synonyms: oppression, dictatorship, autocracy, domination, despotism, totalitarianism, cruelty, oppressiveness, bullying

 

[Burned Haze]

You are 100% right......

I feel so deeply betrayed by our government in so many ways......What a bunch of legal thugs/embezzlers . The People need to stand and make sure they know that medical cannabis is not going anywhere , WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS NOR Wrong.



STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS!

 

[kolah]

Tyranny in America. Who would have thought?

IMO, the bastards will continue their games. IMO what they want is a bloody revolution. That is THEIR game and they are good at it. Once the people are pushed into a revolutionary corner with no alternative but to fight, they can escalate things to the next level (martial law, halt travel, FEMA round-ups for dissidents, etc). And when the common people are so beaten down they will be begging for the NWO.
I am not too sure how many Americans are willing to fight though. More specifically, I am unsure how many REAL americans are willing to die for our freedoms. Let's face it, the majority of US people are pretty lame. Most can not distinguish the difference between a pistol from a rifle or which way to point the thing. I hope I am wrong. We are truely living in historical times. Lets hope when all the smoke clears we have something good to write about.

and yeah, Uncle Ted is an pinhead when it comes to drugs. But I like his outlook on the 2nd amend. Maybe he'll see the light soon.

 

[sanvanalona]

I have been thinking about this for a while, wanted to make sure this post means something. First of all, we are all in this mmj thing together, at least to the degree that we desire legality and clarification in regards to our love/hobby/career. That said, it is easy to look at those being prosecuted and say: 'oh well, its not me and I would never do that". How many "not me's" before it becomes you that is dealing with the negative side of the law. I see far too much compromising on our side, which I attribute to the fact that most of us were once illegal and therefore forced to silence or face threat of prosecution for something I think we all Know that not 1 of us should be prosecuted for: Marijuana. I guess what I am saying is that solidarity in this movement is needed if we are going to achieve any sort of change, I mean anybody else have any ideas on how we stop federal intervention on state rights? But from Marc Emery, Ed Rosenthal, Chris Barkowitz, Steven DeAngelo, Richard Lee, and people like Lindsey from Montana we are seeing some disgusting use of federal power, either to attack other political operatives due to their political alliances, a la Emery, or because somebody thought it was o.k. to let the news know that they are a successful business man, or a lawyer that went around the state attempting to educate those on mmj and their rights, these people while in no way perfect represent a part of the movement and should not be shunned because feds feel like they have a case against said person. IMO. If us, the cannabis community does not stand up for our rights who will? I know there will be responses like; "if you want to do this then you shouldn't do that", and let me tell you that is a playbook constantly in progress and changing primarily by cases like these, also by others paranoia and sheer luck. The moniker being if you haven't been prosecuted then you must be doing everything right, well to that I would say you wrong. I tried to load a different page about the subject but for some reason it will not paste properly, go to: montanafesto.wordpress. There are two great articles there about Mr. Lindsey.

P.s.
I know that Emery was not involved directly with mmj, just think that his case bears relevance here too.

 

[cannabeans]

I guess what I am saying is that solidarity in this movement is needed if we are going to achieve any sort of change,

I agree 100% with you on this, But it was the boys at Montana Cannabis that testified to our leglisltaor, That they were following the letter of the law , and they should be the "sole providers" for the state. ( A complete monopoly) Where is the solidarity there? Its kinda hard for me to stand up and fight for someone who in the past was trying to bump me out of my new Career/Hobby to further advance theirs. I understand that my attitude/opinion plays right into the hands of the elite(divide and conquer), but it was not the government that divides us, It was the lack of solodarity that Montana Cannabis showed (to all caregivers large and small) when they tried to testifiy on "How the Medical Cannabis Program" should be run. Ultimately if they had their way....we would still be out of a Job/Career/Hobby.

I had already had my card for over a year, and had been QUIETLY bulding up a patients list when I met Chris Lindsay, and Chris Williams, before their whole business started blooming. Just at the time Jason Christ was starting is "caravans". Montana Cannabis was one (if not the only) caregivers that were present and some of the first "doctors clinic" You see.... they benefited from the work and publicity that Jason Christ had been doing? I think it is safe to say that Montana Cannabis were able to get so big so quickly because of Jason Christ. Where were they when Jason was being riduculed for his work? Just as Jason Christ started to really make a name for himself, They publicaly bashed him and the work he had been doing. Where is the solodarity there? To me..... Those people I mentioned above showed no solodarity, to people like myself, when the time came to further advance their career/hobby/ BANK ACCOUNT!

SIDENOTE: I dont care much for Jason Christ either. Please dont think that I am trying to come to his rescue or defense. I feel he fucked the people of Montana over big time with his publicity.
There is an old saying that goes something like this! "The squeakiest gear gets the oil"
Maybe after this "oil" has been applied, We the people of Montana can get back to QUIETLY running our Medical Cannabis Program, just like it had been running (for years)before these money hungry, attention seeking individuals, decided to step on the scene.

 

[sky high]

You nailed it cannabeans. The people who put a blanket over "MMJ" and say that anything/everything they do should be allowed....and do it....and then get caught with large counts/weight/GUNS!!!...are in NO WAY in solidarity with the average patient who is towing the line/growing a small amount in their home and following the law.

s h

 

[gooey]

players play...you guys can all pick whose side your on but you cant be on both...peace and puffs

 

[dirk d]

the Supreme Court has now definitively held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that weapon for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Moreover, this right applies not just to the federal government, but to states and municipalities as well.

what happened to this??? the sheriffs department was told a couple years back they have no authority to deny mmj cardholders the right to have a concealed weapons permit.

 

[Bluenote]

guns most likely will tip the table every time...no guns in my house, just my 85 pound pit

No such thing as a *real* " 85 lb pit".............and don't even bother argueing with *me* about it , furthermore *idiots* who utilise the breed for home protection when they are for the majority eminently unsuited to the task have contributed to the creation of the BULLSHIT syndromes that brought us Big Blue Junkbred Dogs , idiot color and size fads and a whole lot of negative publicity.

When you decide you're going to come back at *me* on this subject and start telling me " how it is" and the chapter and verse on the APBT you're going to be in WWAAAYYY over your head. And the *why* will become apparent pretty quickly.

Not a single one of mine is " 85 lbs"............these dogs were ****NEVER**** that big in the first place. In point of actual FACT a 65 lb example is outsized. And don't even start with ' Plumber's Alligator" , the Heinzl dogs and the rest of 'em. You're gonna be way out of your depth.

 

[Bluenote]

Bingo, tattoojim. These laws are nothing new.....and these cats musts had a shit-ton of guns.

Scary. If you are that big and need that many guns you aren't really doin' the MMJ thing....you are just a dope dealer using all other MMJ patients as pawns in your game. I feel for them/their families...but these cats weren't just growing a few plants in their closet and medicating in front of the tube via a doctor's rec.

s h

What bullshit. What does NEED have to do with a damn thing , some folks actually enjoy shooting both as a hobby and a competitive sport.

I don't *need* all of mine , but who the f*** are you to start casting apsersive labels at *anyone* based solely on the thin criteria of the amount of firearms possessed. YOU are helping to accomplish the FEDS work for them with such bullshit hyperbole. It's basically just the same as parroting the Feds BLEATING....." gunnnsss BBBBAAAAAAADDDD".

 

[cannarado]

I have a shitload of guns....but nothing near the grow. I keep everything that can get me in more trouble if found together...in a separate spot. Why bring that kind of stress upon yourself

 

[sky high]

^^^^^Respect!^^^^

Nobody fucked these guys.

They fucked themselves because they lacked the brains/respect that cannarado illustrated in his post.

 

[Bluenote]

^^^^^Respect!^^^^

Nobody fucked these guys.

They fucked themselves because they lacked the brains/respect that cannarado illustrated in his post.

Uh huh..............respect my left foot , what's " respect" got to do with it beyond the basic FACT that the govt isn't respecting YOUR rights?

What will ya " settle for" next , golly gee whiz shouldn't have that " gun" around alcohol etc.etc.etc.

Yeah giving up one right to maintain another , that's a great solution , sure it is.

 

[soserthc1]

strange was just watching a special about montana this morning and guns are like a household items up in the mountains are they not.... i mean you can go to put the trash out and be attacked by a bear.........

 

[tattoojim]

No such thing as a *real* " 85 lb pit".............and don't even bother argueing with *me* about it , furthermore *idiots* who utilise the breed for home protection when they are for the majority eminently unsuited to the task have contributed to the creation of the BULLSHIT syndromes that brought us Big Blue Junkbred Dogs , idiot color and size fads and a whole lot of negative publicity.

When you decide you're going to come back at *me* on this subject and start telling me " how it is" and the chapter and verse on the APBT you're going to be in WWAAAYYY over your head. And the *why* will become apparent pretty quickly.

Not a single one of mine is " 85 lbs"............these dogs were ****NEVER**** that big in the first place. In point of actual FACT a 65 lb example is outsized. And don't even start with ' Plumber's Alligator" , the Heinzl dogs and the rest of 'em. You're gonna be way out of your depth.

i am gonna come back bro... i know exactly what my dog was breed for (amstaff). a rich mans pit breed to b family oriented , to protect and serve its owner. and my dog is akc papered not no adba papered, and i have had dogs papered all differnt ways. im not gonna fight about this cause no matter how the dog is papered its a pit in the eyes of non pit lovers...
p.s. my dogg is my hommie and gets to live the good life
edit: lots of amstaffs all over the states that are in the 85 pound range...and pits would not b what they are whith out staffies

 

[sky high]

Uh huh..............respect my left foot , what's " respect" got to do with it beyond the basic FACT that the govt isn't respecting YOUR rights?

What will ya " settle for" next , golly gee whiz shouldn't have that " gun" around alcohol etc.etc.etc.

Yeah giving up one right to maintain another , that's a great solution , sure it is.

Since ya asked....what will ya "settle for" next?"

I have settled on believing that you, like many others today, spend a lot of time running around paranoid as fuck and acting butt hurt when "shit happens" while simultaneously spending ALL of your time looking for someone else to blame rather than accepting >>any<< responsibility for your own actions in the matter.

Just because people can't do anything/everything they please doesn't mean their rights aren't being respected...it just means that everyone else's rights >are< being respected.

 

[Bluenote]

i am gonna come back bro... i know exactly what my dog was breed for (amstaff). a rich mans pit breed to b family oriented , to protect and serve its owner. and my dog is akc papered not no adba papered, and i have had dogs papered all differnt ways. im not gonna fight about this cause no matter how the dog is papered its a pit in the eyes of non pit lovers...
p.s. my dogg is my hommie and gets to live the good life
edit: lots of amstaffs all over the states that are in the 85 pound range...and pits would not b what they are whith out staffies

Wrong person to say that too. *EVERY* AST goes *directly* back to the base stock that woke up one morning in '36 magically transformed form APBT to AST overnight via the auspices of the UKC , and none of those dogs were anywhere *near* 85 lbs. Furthermore *every* AST or APBT in this country will trace back to the same small genetic group of import dogs , and those pivotal dogs such as The Gas House Dog , Bob tail Bob , Imported Rafferty etc..........NONE were over 40 lbs.

The ultra-large dogs are a result of the breeding practices of the last couple of decades and the size and color crazes.

So in the long run you've got it completely and totally *backwards* the AST wouldn't even exist with the APBT.

I'll put something in perspective for you that will indicate a bit where I'm coming from , I've got dogs here that Carver's name still appears on a 6 generation pedigree , along with some stock right straight from Floyd B. and Rancheria.

 

[Bluenote]

Since ya asked....what will ya "settle for" next?"

I have settled on believing that you, like many others today, spend a lot of time running around paranoid as fuck and acting butt hurt when "shit happens" while simultaneously spending ALL of your time looking for someone else to blame rather than accepting >>any<< responsibility for your own actions in the matter.

Just because people can't do anything/everything they please doesn't mean their rights aren't being respected...it just means that everyone else's rights >are< being respected.

And you're of course fulla shit , you're sidestepping the abrogation of basic rights inherent in the whole issue.

You can't show where I abdicated responsibility for my own actions so shut up with that line , and while you may be OK with giving up additional rights I'm not , nor are many others.

 

[sky high]

Yer typin' on a POT forum about how fucked the Gov't is and how your rights have been taken away?

LOL.

We have more "rights' today to grow and possess than ever. Were you growing before the med laws? I seriously doubt it if you think things are "tough" now and you believe you have no "rights".
Poor thing.

As far as the gun issue at the heart of these charges and who took away your "right" to possess drugs and guns in the same location... those laws went on the books in the late 80's. (it wasn't the Oboogeyman... it was the Republicans/Reagan/Bush)

So just what "rights' are you whining were taken away?

 

[tattoojim]

Wrong person to say that too. *EVERY* AST goes *directly* back to the base stock that woke up one morning in '36 magically transformed form APBT to AST overnight via the auspices of the UKC , and none of those dogs were anywhere *near* 85 lbs. Furthermore *every* AST or APBT in this country will trace back to the same small genetic group of import dogs , and those pivotal dogs such as The Gas House Dog , Bob tail Bob , Imported Rafferty etc..........NONE were over 40 lbs.

The ultra-large dogs are a result of the breeding practices of the last couple of decades and the size and color crazes.

So in the long run you've got it completely and totally *backwards* the AST wouldn't even exist with the APBT.

I'll put something in perspective for you that will indicate a bit where I'm coming from , I've got dogs here that Carver's name still appears on a 6 generation pedigree , along with some stock right straight from Floyd B. and Rancheria.

get it strait bro i did not say the amstaff made pits..just the staffie (staffordshire). my dog is a amstaff.... any pit lover knows about carver,tudor,geronamo,exc....why dont you kick rocks you troll