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600 from the wall.how many watts was the LED Pulling
how did the lowers come out. that looks like a top cola600 from the wall.
some of what you are saying i agree with. But you are forgetting spectrum. plants grow differently under different spectrums. I said i don't think LEDS are quite there yet, meaning with technological advances i think they can and will be. what you said about cost is definitely true. it a high cost of entry. i worked as an assistant manager at a hydro shop and ran a warehouse and delivery service so i have experience in every facet of the industry. only thing i don't know and wont do on my own is set up the electrical work. i leave that to the professionals as i don't want to burn down the building. we sold every time of light and every type of set up... i have had hour long debates with sales reps, customers an coworkers. nothing could produce weight like a 1k hps. hortilux was the best back then, but things are changing now. Numerous DE hps(with mixed in LEC/CMH ) like a 70/30 splits in a stationary high point area is the best way to do it in a warehouse. which is the only way to go as residential electricity is too much money. this is strictly indoor though. i would love a greenhouse with supplemental lighting. that is the future for most. a couple niche indoor brands will survive and flourish though. as far as a closet grow LED would be a great choice. it doesn't run as hot and will cost less to run. but for anything serious LED is not the way quite yet. hopefully it will in the future. would be interesting to see how it turns out.
it doesnt, my mistake. but it is high in red for flowering. how much do you pull off your LEDs ? and how many watts does it pull?I did not forget about spectrum I said 90 CRI at 3500k ? How does an hps light at 39 CRI produce better spectrum than a 90 CRI source?
Is a photon from an LED physically different than a photon from HPS or CMH etc?.....
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The light penetration issue in cannabis culture has always perplexed me. People stating that the penetration of this light source/type or the other is better or worse. No offense to anyone but I see it as a myth. A photon is a photon and it makes no real difference how you create it but the physics are the same whether it is produced by HPS, CFL or LED the plant doesn't care. It cares about frequency and intensity but all that being the same a photon from a given point at a given angle is still a photon. It can only penetrate by passing by obstructions, ultimately being blocked at some point along it's way by leaves and stems or whatever is in it's path.
However, if a fixture such as a single bulb HPS has sort of a single point of origin so the angle of the light is essentially coming from one common location, then its penetration into any point in the canopy is limited by it's angle and how many things get in the way and block the streams of photons (again, things like other leaves and branches). So, given an LED COB system where in the same grow space you have 12 COBs (for example) and therefore 12 point sources instead of one then obviously your penetration into the canopy is going to be better because of the diversity of the angles of light entering the canopy. Lets say you have discrete LEDs and many more of them, well that would be even better cause you might have hundreds or even thousands of diverse point sources of light (like the Spyder fixtures). So, LEDs or any light source has no physical advantage in light penetration but the configuration of the sources does just due to geometry. This is why some people use light movers! The sun moves all day long so the reason I think nature designed cannabis to grow like a Christmas tree in shape is it takes advantage of the constantly moving angle of the sun. We prune and train out plants to avoid the natural shape indoors to solve the problem of a fixed light source which is unnatural :).
Anyway, most of my LED opinions are based on what I learned over the years working in the LED field. Some of my assumptions and observations could be wrong but I am pretty sure the penetration thing is a myth used by people selling lights to convince you that you need to keep buying the next great thing. I say you build a great LED system and ignore the sales guys that just want to keep selling you newer stuff. I heard yesterday at my local hydro shop the guy raving about the next big change in CMH technology that is a "must have" so it continues on (same song 50th verse). However, If I had to choose lighting right now I would be buying a good CMH, COB LED or Quantum board arrangement. I think CMH is still a great light and it is more color correct than most HPS lights but I still think LED is the best given a properly thought out fixture. However, now that I have run LED COBs for a flower cycle and a couple veg cycles I really like what I am seeing as well as the reduced AC and power bill in general. Most of my enthusiasm for LEDs are based on experience in the lab and published specs but in the grow I am seeing things I never saw with HPS lighting. Also the color correctness of the current LEDs is awesome. No more Blurple color or red shifted HPS, but a CRI of 95 and light that looks like a Summer day. Look up the CRI ratings for various light sources such as HID, CFL or whatever and you will see pretty low numbers on most lights except quality LEDs and CMH sources.
Many people think LEDs are not ready for prime time and I think this opinion exists because of all the shitty, falsely specified, blurple lights out there that so many people have tried and not based on the performance of a quality system that is either DIY or built by real professionals (like RapidLED's Vero fixtures or Timber, Fluence and so on). The reason is the commercial ones that have been properly engineered and have more honest specs cost a lot more so often people buy the ones on Amazon or Ebay that are for the most part crap. In the case of cost that is where DIY or kit builds shine because they are often 1/2 the cost or lower.
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Dee
as much as people think there are myths for hps being the best, there are people on the other side who jump on the LED hype train. i dont want to sound rude but getting .5 gram a watt on 750 isn't even a pound. you can get 1 plus #s with 600 SE HPS. hell,just get two daystars and slap 600s in there. or fire up that 1k again.
right on! it looks good, keep it goingHey, I was just being honest about my growing skill. The skill of the grower has nothing to do with light physics. I am doing whatever I can to increase yield including building a lighting system and a UC system. Each harvest is bigger than my last and that is my goal. However, when it comes to light I have the engineering credentials to back it up but I am not interested in dick wagging about yields but I am interested in the science of horticulture and making each grow an improvement over the last.
Dee
how many watts does it pull from the wall? the spyder that isAnd for numbers, when I was keeping track my best run was Skywalker kush. I ran 16 plants in a 4x4 under one Spydrx and pulled 3 bags and had over a whole one in trim to run into oils.
You can make pot better with light alone but starting with good genetics makes it really easyFirst and foremost its genetics, then lighting\environment. I assure you I have uv in my spectrum already. I have seen uv burn.
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