Trim Out Clawed Dry Leaves ?

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k1w1ed

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New growth is looking like it is going to pull through after full flush from previous post.
This flushing and saving strains is new to me. Would it be better to leave her alone or trim out all the dark green clawed & dry leaves now to help new growth more?
Have only fed the 1.0 ml of grow & .5ml CaMg+ Since flush and prob needing more today. 3.0ml of grow and 3.0ml of CaMg+ and gradually increase ? Or less nutes more water pH 5.8 for now?
Cheers for any input!
 
MGRox

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I would be in agreement with the above posts as well.
To expound a bit though;
-- If certain leaves are too damaged from previous issues, then the plant may choose to "senescence" those fairly quickly (which removal wouldn't matter). If however, there is minimal internal damage, then the plant may choose to mobilize what nutrients it can out of the leaf before senescence (in which removal would eliminate potentially available nutrients).

--If the plant overall is below sufficiency levels of a particular element or multiples, it may expend the energy necessary to "gycosylate" or further even "acetylate" anthocyanins to red or purple (correspondingly). In this case, the coloration can be an indicator, as to whether the leaf is attempting to mobilize nutrients out before dropping.

If there's extractable energy in those damaged leaves.....might as well leave em'.
 
k1w1ed

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Could not get a more precise answer than that MGRox, appreciate your time! extractable energy being lost by trimming them was my concern... Like disposing of the bottle with out finishing the last mouthful of wine from it.
Cheers
 
k1w1ed

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--If the plant overall is below sufficiency levels of a particular element or multiples, it may expend the energy necessary to "gycosylate" or further even "acetylate" anthocyanins to red or purple (correspondingly). In this case, the coloration can be an indicator, as to whether the leaf is attempting to mobilize nutrients out before dropping.

Would that coloration be the petiole being purple ?
 
MGRox

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Either color can be an indicator. In a non-modified state, the coloration pigments (anthocyanins) are not overtly visible and have (typically) a clear to yellowish color. I.e. you would not know they are there.

The first process in achieving a coloration that is visible is Glycosylation, in which sugars are added to the cell containing the non-colored anthocyanins. This converts the pigments to a "RED" color. Pigments that have only been glycosylated will remain red, but CAN have the sugars remediated and return to a non-colored state (if conditions are such that pigmentation is not needed).

The second process in coloration is Acetylation, in which the cell is further altered from visibly red pigments. This converts the pigments to a "Purple" color. Any pigments that have been acetylated are permanently colored and cannot be "downgraded" back to red or the original clear /yellow. (unless those pigments are broken from their containing cell and exposed to air, which would revert them back to red).

With MJ plants, these colorations can show on leafs, petioles and main stems; with petiole coloration being most prevalent. It does require energy for a plant to produce colored pigments and as plants don't waste energy; there has to be a return value for the plant to do this. As such, there are MANY cases where a plant may adapt to this coloration (so, not only with senescensing leaves). For instance, quite commonly (indoors) healthy leaves develop purple petioles to support both the movement in AND out of the leaf tissue; resulting in less loss to oxidation during trasnport (oxidation from light). Here it is of value for the plant to protect the nutrient movement into or out of a robust leaf for nutrient use efficiency.

Specifically with senescence of the leaves, typically a plant will have already fully acetylated the petiole before remediation of any mobile elements out of a dying leaf. Some strains may even spend energy on coloration into the leaf veins or entire leaf as well. If a leaf is fully purple then, excluding necrosis, there is no visible indicators for things like chlorophyll content dropping as a result of remobilization of nutrients in that leaf. In this case, a purple leaf may go (visibly) straight from purple to dead, lol.
 

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