squiggly said:

The people have the ability to nominate and elect anyone they choose--they need only choose to do it and follow through.

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Yea I suppose but the people are not us , where the minority how many votes did Ron Paul get and you can't nominate someone that does not have 30 million dollars to piss away on commercials another joke all the things wrong with country but the amount of money to run for a elected office is insanity and that money is being put up by the people that run the country big pharma and the likes..... seriously your a educated dude I am aware but who was the last president or elected official that did anything for you , besides crush your dreams and increase your debt..... do you really think a president only makes 400k ?

soserthc1 said:

I have always provided for my family in any way possible actually my saying is I will sell sand at the beach if I had to - only lazy people don't make money , and just because society deems marijuana a illegal drug to sell - most places don't make it true.... these damn cigarettes i'm smoking are hurting society worse than me selling weed ..... same situation here bro .....

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Yes, absolutely.
I totally respect your stance. Feeding a family means more than listening to meaningless laws.
I see nothing wrong with selling weed. It a commodity like any other.
And like any other, you can do it right or wrong.
But the sale of weed itself is no worse than anything else.
It's how you do it that matters.
Like Any other job.
It doesn't take much to turn an "honest" person into a "criminal" when hunger sets in and survival becomes tantamount.

This thread unsorted me to watch my copy of Matt Damon narrating Inside Job. It's nice to get a reminder of who ducked who...

One Princeton professor said that wage stagnation has resulted in 90% of all Americans not improving their real income for over 27 years- and counting.

Heh, how'd standing up for 'marijuana' work out for me? Made me real popular with the local politicians, it did. :D

Seamaiden said:

Heh, how'd standing up for 'marijuana' work out for me? Made me real popular with the local politicians, it did. :D

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Hang A Light or Lights in your Garage / Spare room and "Grow" for $$$$ = Activist, Entrepreneur, Self Sufficient Provider ;)

Paint A Car / Motorcycle in that Garage for $$$$ = Tax Cheat, Bum, Second Class citizen with "No right to Participate or Debate politics"??? o_O

I have A hard time figuring "Locals" here and "Which Way the Wind Blows" too Seamaiden... But it does Nothing to Stop me from "Doin' my Own Thing" :woot:

If People have the "Nerve" to Judge or Criticize Someone Else's "Way" that Works for Them :finger:
Better Off "Without" them... And their "Better Off" Finding Something "Worth While" to put their Life / Efforts into...

P.S. I "Always" looked @ You as One of the "MOST" Popular... and One with Much to Offer ;)

Seamaiden said:

Heh, how'd standing up for 'marijuana' work out for me? Made me real popular with the local politicians, it did. :D

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that is tongue and cheek remark correct because I thought you caught alot of slack over your A>>>> county we must fight ordeal ?
no ?

The statement works in both the "Positive" and "Negative" perspective... I don't know if that was Intentional? LOL, Must come from The Wisdom of and "Time Spent" as A Moderator... :woot:

Oh... I don't know about that. I've never gone for the 'popular' thing, but once I found my voice..? I still have plenty to learn in life, but remember my previous lessons quite well. I simply try to do my best as I can for logic since he's entrusted a certain level of control of his site to me. But, let me go onto explain what soser and I are talking about.

soserthc1 said:

that is tongue and cheek remark correct because I thought you caught alot of slack over your A>>>> county we must fight ordeal ?
no ?

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You got it, brother, hunnert percent. I think we all left marks on each other.

SoCal, my husband and I 'came out' publicly when our county enacted an urgency zoning ordinance banning all OD cultivation. OD cultivation is pretty much my thing, plus I put myself in the shoes of the sort of people who have to heat their homes with wood (why our county isn't subject to the same air quality laws as the rest of the state of California, another example is how often we have to smog our vehicles--only when first registered or a change of ownership not within family, but within the county) and who can't come close to being able to afford growing indoors. The whole thing took a few months, we 'won' some right to OD cultivation, but the ordinance actually violates what's already outlined in state law with regard to cooperative cultivation, and I got pissed when, after all those months spent on the whole thing, county supes ended up adopting a weird conglomeration of other counties' ordinances. And when I got pissed, I said so, and... let's just say they weren't happy about it and one particular supe I called out publicly retaliated against us in a very personal manner. He also garnered all his information from what I posted on another publicly viewable site. ;)

I have also run for a seat in local government as a Libertarian, in a southern California city in the eastern part of LA county, very close to OC. I was astonished, sadly so, at the reactions of my neighbors. Phone calls in the middle of the night threatening me, chiding me for costing the city money for an 'unnecessary' election, all kinds of shit. Needless to say, I didn't win (the Republican candidate did), and I will never again dip my toe in those waters, once was enough for me. I think that the fact someone stays in something like this also says something about them as people. Ya dig? I've spent the majority of my life in that area, despite being a Navy kid, my folks still live in that home. It was an experience, I guess that's the best I can say about it. Even got interviewed for a newspaper article not too long after I'd gotten myself bitten by that rattlesnake. I think I looked like a naive idiot, but that's another story!

But Sea, you tried. Most are content to sit back and whine.

Respect.

Seamaiden said:

why our county isn't subject to the same air quality laws as the rest of the state of California, another example is how often we have to smog our vehicles--only when first registered or a change of ownership not within family, but within the county Ya dig?

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I Can Dig it... ;) To stay On Point with "deepthought" the Creators post, The Jolly Green Tree Hugging Giant is A "Slave" to his Job and the Wage is Mediocre @ Best but "He" Makes due... Driving from Here to There, Spreading the Word. "His" Ride "Pollutes" and Produces CO2 same as "Everybody" Else's but the Jolly Green Tree Hugging Giant "Lives" by the Strictest "Rule / Regulation" to Lead by Example... because "He" Realizes "His Ride" is Responsible for Green House Emissions (CO2) that is Despised and Condemned by "Every One" just as much as "Any" other as surely as we breath and to Do "Anything Less" because A "Special Circumstance" (He's Fuckin' Green for Gods Sake) would "Contradict" the Cause for that which He Exists and Campaigns / Fights for... So the "True" question is Can You Dig It???

ttystikk said:

But Sea, you tried. Most are content to sit back and whine.

Respect.

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I have respect for everyone who is engaging in discourse like this (that means everyone in this thread and others like it). Even those who I think are kooks, AT LEAST they are taking the time to give a shit and make the attempt to inform themselves and to stake out a position.

Even if everyone was being kooky but paying attention we'd get more done than we do now. I mean all told we have about 50% of the people who don't vote. At the most we will get 80% is people to vote (unless we legally require voting like Australia has, which I think is a fucking wonderful idea).

The problem is half the country is absent from this process and districts have been so badly gerrymandered that we're not really getting a truly representative government.

There weren't so many democratic congressional blowouts that it makes sense for the president to win by more than 2% of the total reporting vote and for the house to still be so overwhelming Republican. It might make sense for them to still have a majority. When we're talking 100million total votes, though, that's a huge margin.

So there are some things that stand in the way of self government, but the tools are there in each state to nominate an appropriate candidate of one's own choosing--caucuses be damned.

Honestly at this point we'd almost be better off just letting one of the sides (pick one) take over and do things their way. This government by half measure is not working. Big economies need steady but firm hands. This is anything but firm. We're wishy washy and all over the place.

I personally think the democrats would do a better job and I also think the republicans had their shot with Bush, that it worked out terribly (economically speaking), and that they should be willing to say to themselves, "Hey, our policies didn't really work out the way we thought they would." and let the other side have a go. That's how it would work between two friends right?

If we try it your way and that doesn't work, can we try it my way now? If your friend asked you this what would you say? Better yet--what, your idea having been incorrect, would it make SENSE to say?

I HOPE that either side would take the opportunity to alter some of the rules of government once they had the power to do that such that we wouldn't end up at impasses like this one quite so much. Reduce the need for a supermajority to conduct day-to-day business, or get rid of the idea of a supermajority altogether. Word kinda sounds dumb anyway.

Put in term limits for congress and other sense-based changes like these.

I think the first party to realize they can make a change by backing reform of THEMSELVES will take control of the car, because there is overwhelming support for these changes. Then we can look to stuff like tax reform etc., first we need to have a government that governs.

Fuck crack. Smoke hookers.

soserthc1 said:

Hey I suppose if Marion Barry was reelected any thing is possible ? crack - hookers and reelected awesome .........

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Who is Marion Barry? Is He A Well Known Crack Head or Victim of Wage Slavery... What am I Missing Here?

Edit... I looked it up on "Google" That Shit is Hilarious :woot: I didn't realize he is / was A Democratic Politician :woot:

If voting makes a difference then why are so many things in this country in shambles?

And don't tell me it's because people don't vote. There have always been only two REAL choices, R's and D's. And neither party has done anything to stop the death of this country.

And the REAL things that are truly important are not even open to the voting process (ie war, aid to foreign countries, federal reserve, import tax)

kolah said:

If voting makes a difference then why are so many things in this country in shambles?

And don't tell me it's because people don't vote. There have always been only two REAL choices, R's and D's. And neither party has done anything to stop the death of this country.

And the REAL things that are truly important are not even open to the voting process (ie war, aid to foreign countries, federal reserve, import tax)

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People have chosen not to participate in the process, which includes them being a part of choosing who and which party should be nominated for government. That we're stuck with Democrats and Republicans is a failure of the people to change that.

squiggly said:

People have chosen not to participate in the process, which includes them being a part of choosing who and which party should be nominated for government. That we're stuck with Democrats and Republicans is a failure of the people to change that.

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Only to a degree. The power of a bureaucracy to protect itself against outside forces should not be underestimated.

If we are "stuck" with repubs and dems how is voting going to change anything? It's no matter if 100 people vote or 10 million people vote we still get a repub or a dem and end up with the same result. (war, foreign aid, more taxes, more of the same, etc etc).

The point I am trying to drive home is that the two party system does not exist, they are one in the same. And anyone new(being an R or a D) who steps in, is just like the old fucks. "meet the new boss, same as the old boss...."

People have to realize that the political arena is just one big show, a staged show, a big fucking circus act. There are people in higher places calling the shots. Vote all you want, it won't ever change a thing.

^^^^ Do you mean Like voting for Term Limits or A Third "Equal Party" so it can be Shot Down or Tabled in House or Senate kolah?

Better Luck with Article 5 U.S. Constitution...

• By a national convention assembled at the request of the legislatures of at least two-thirds (at least 34) of the United States' 50 states

To become part of the Constitution, amendments must then be ratified either by approval of:

• The legislatures of three-fourths (at least 38) of the states; or
• State ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states.

Any amendment so ratified becomes a valid part of the Constitution With Out Congress...

Sorry for my horrible grammer, but my thumbs are like little sousges, and this stupid bitch Siri is worthless. I swear this bitch does this shit on purpose cuz I hit on her, and asked he if she wanted me to lick her touch screen. She said she wasn't into that, and insinuaited I was a creep.

Fucking stuck up bitch.