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#41
squiggly said:
I can all but guarantee you that he hasn't done a proper scientific study to prove something like that--and simultaneously tell you that there is every bit of evidence from the rest of botany that often pruning is the ONLY way to maximize yield (depending on the cultivar).

Cannabis is a REALLY REALLY EXCEEDINGLY poorly understood cultivar--due in no small part to the moratorium placed on research.

We're left with people doing "side by sides" and the like--which are almost never done properly from a scientific standpoint (which generally renders the results useless, and at the very best very badly correlated).

Don't take one guy's word for it. That is the best advice you will ever get from any person about anything.

At the very least try it yourself.

It's a plant--not life or death. Don't be a vagina about it and just take some random dude's word as gospel. You are capable of thinking for yourself.
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After another three years of doing this I've learned that what Squiggly said years ago is the real truth. Never take any one persons 'word for it' in cannabis cultivation. Never! Reading and researching everything from genetics, to methods, and nutrients is essential to success in cultivating ANYTHING. You don't have to be a college educated to understand that the plant science behind any and every plant has rarely changes. It's the methods that change all the time!

I read some of this commentary I wrote years ago and it's worlds away from where I am now, but I still have a long way to go as an organic grower. It's tougher in some ways than commercial methods. My feelings on this are simple. I just try to make everything needed available throughout the plants life cycle, re-create the outdoors the best I can w/o ALL of the critters, as pests are a given with organic soil growing, and keep cost and return reasonable. A good proper return for my time and sweat invested.
 
#42
Nicely said. Ya no it's odd feeling that I kind of feel like a beginner again because I stopped for a few years and now when I started I have a Trifoliate which is new to me and a Auto which was new for me as well. And a another WHITE WIDOW X Big Buds that is doing extremely well. But it just feels like that j think because this first grow was so screwed up for me. I got the strains mixed up so then i couldn't trim or mainline like I wanted to and had to let them Veg forWAY longer than I would have As soon as my Auto Showed herself I topped the other plant once and put her and the Trio into Flower Just sucks a bit. But they look great and looks like many Hussites and looking to be many colas on the one.
 
#43
skillzd said:
I stopped for a few years and now when I started I have a Trifoliate which is new to me
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"Trifoliate leaves (also known as trifoliolate or ternate leaves)
are a leaf shape characterized by a leaf divided into three leaflets."

"All" Cannabis plants could be considered "trifoliates":
the seedling first (usually) has "a pair" of cotyledons,
then (usually) "a pair" of single leaflet leaves,
and then (usually) "a pair" of trifoliate leaves,
and then (usually) "a pair" of 'hands':
leaves with five leaflets, then seven, then...;
plants with more than one pair of leaves per node--
are examples of Whorled Phyllotaxy...
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/breeding-for-whorls.63887/
...or are you talkin about an entire plant with trifoliate leaves--
like some OG's an' such???
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community...wing-three-fingers-let-me-tell-you-why.72492/
 
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#44
Yes. The whole plant has three sets of leaves. 3 internodal branches and 1/3 more bud sites. I talked to this guy I was referred to KEEF that turned into a real jerk later on cus he is a super paranoid grower that thinks everyone that would like to trade seeds is a polic man. Then he himself says he's an ex military cop. Lmao. He himself a a cop. Hahaha. Anyways. Sorry. He really upset me cus j enjoyed the forum discussions there. But he is suppose to be very knowledge In the TRIPLOIDS and TRIFOLIATES. he told me that Triploids is a change of the chromosomes in a plant. Triofoliate is a genetic mutation within that plant. So pretty much I'm sorry but to me that says. TRIFOLIATE is the natural way to get a plant with three sets of branches and leaves. Instead of two. TRIPLOIDS are man made with chemical dipped seeds that mutate the plants genes into tetraploid and then breed tetraploid to a diploid and you get Triploids I've done some reading up on this and would love to have more of these plants but I want to naturally have them Not by some twisted genetic mutation that was produced by some chemical that screwed up the plants genes. But if I'd have to. I would. Just because once you grow one that's so thick and beautiful you want more of those.
 
#45
And yeah it's a form of phyllotaxy. There are different forms. I can post some links and pics if it helps get things clarified. Cus I'm just going off what I've been given to read by others too
 
#46
Is a quick kool thread that also as a Qoute from a website that sells them aparently. Or sells a strains that has a higher rate of them. Idk. But they had the statistics and stuff and this forum has t posted onto it. I couldn't find the page I wanted to

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=128821
 
#47
Here's the verdict. Trifoliate and Whorled are both terms about the same subject It is a Whorled plant as they call it in the Trifoliate form And the phyllotaxy refer to the same subject as well. They are all just different terms about the mutations in cannabis
 

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Thanks for the feedback tho. I was wondering why so many people got confused over that and which is which. So basically after reading your post and doing a bit of research. Mine is a Whorled Trifoliate Plant. Technically I guess. But that's where the term trifoliate comes in. I don't have a regular diploid plant with trifoliate leaves/leafets. I have a trifoliate PLANT so it grows three cotyledons. Three SETS of leaves and so on. . Three everything. Lol. Yes. Anything more than "a pair" is considered a Whorled plant. A Whorled plant can be a few different mutations. Mine a "TriFoliate" Whorled plant. So I do thank you for feedback. It made me do a little more digging in the subject. I always like doing research. So please don't take this as I'm arugueing. I'm agreeing in a way but just putting the facts up for others to see too
 
#49
I'll give this one try cause there's really no point in arguing over well documented botanical terms.

Trifoliate refers to the number of leaflets/blades/fingers on a leaf and has absolutely nothing to do with whorled phyllotaxy.

If you want to know what trifoliate looks like, look at the second set of true leaves on cannabis. Cannabis has compound palmate leaves. A leaf can be trifoliate, a plant can at most have trifoliate leaves, which then would be trifoliate plant but word applies to the leaf shape and leaflet number, not the number of leaves at a given node.

trifoliate
  1. (of a compound leaf) having three leaflets.
    "dark green trifoliate leaves"
    • (of a plant) having trifoliate leaves.
      "the trifoliate orange appreciates an acidic soil"
    • (of an object or design) having the form of a trifoliate leaf.
      "a bronze trifoliate key handle"
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Phyllotaxy is leaf arrangement and not related to trifoliate in any way.
 
#50
Polyploidism relates to number of chromosomes not leaves--
although polyploids can also exhibit whorled phyllotaxy...
 
#51
You are talking about trifoliate leaf. No a trifoliate plant. There a big freaking difference
 
#52
Sinner D said:
After another three years of doing this I've learned that what Squiggly said years ago is the real truth. Never take any one persons 'word for it' in cannabis cultivation. Never! Reading and researching everything from genetics, to methods, and nutrients is essential to success in cultivating ANYTHING. You don't have to be a college educated to understand that the plant science behind any and every plant has rarely changes. It's the methods that change all the time!

I read some of this commentary I wrote years ago and it's worlds away from where I am now, but I still have a long way to go as an organic grower. It's tougher in some ways than commercial methods. My feelings on this are simple. I just try to make everything needed available throughout the plants life cycle, re-create the outdoors the best I can w/o ALL of the critters, as pests are a given with organic soil growing, and keep cost and return reasonable. A good proper return for my time and sweat invested.
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I got caught reading this post as if it were new, ongoing. It was absolutely great to see you respond after all this time. Especially good to see that you were able to survive and flourish as an organic soil farmer. Glad I got a chance to read this thread.
 
#53
Sativied said:
I'll give this one try cause there's really no point in arguing over well documented botanical terms.

Trifoliate refers to the number of leaflets/blades/fingers on a leaf and has absolutely nothing to do with whorled phyllotaxy.

If you want to know what trifoliate looks like, look at the second set of true leaves on cannabis. Cannabis has compound palmate leaves. A leaf can be trifoliate, a plant can at most have trifoliate leaves, which then would be trifoliate plant but word applies to the leaf shape and leaflet number, not the number of leaves at a given node.

trifoliate
  1. (of a compound leaf) having three leaflets.
    "dark green trifoliate leaves"
    • (of a plant) having trifoliate leaves.
      "the trifoliate orange appreciates an acidic soil"
    • (of an object or design) having the form of a trifoliate leaf.
      "a bronze trifoliate key handle"
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Phyllotaxy is leaf arrangement and not related to trifoliate in any way.
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Going a bit off topic, but could someone tell me what cannabis that naturally divides into two main branches without being topped is called? Thanks!
 
#56
I have a seed that just popped with two 'branches'. It is a little weird and rare, but occasionally you get a plant that does some strange stuff. I've topped a plant to end up with 3 cola's, not 2.
 
#57
skillzd said:
You are talking about trifoliate leaf. No a trifoliate plant. There a big freaking difference
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You're getting a bit silly now. In botany a trifoliate plant is simply a plant with trifoliate leaves.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trifoliate_plants

Don't worry, you're not the first and won't be the last to confuse trifoliate with whorled phyllotaxy because trifoliate looks like a fancy word for three leaves... It's about three leaflets. As any reliable source, besides cannabis sites where the same mistake is parroted over and over, can tell you.
 
#58
Again the link you just posted is not a Whorled plant. It is plants with Trifoliate leaves. A branch with only 3 leaves. Like I believe poison ivy is correct? 3 leaves on a branch. That's what the link you listed is referring to. Plants with trifoliate leaves. My plant we already established is a Whorled Phyllotaxy with trilateral features.
 

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I was confused until a older grower that breeds TRIPLOIDS using the chSee even Whorled plant info keeps referring to it having 3 leaves on the branch too. Mine is not 3 leaves on a branch. It's 3 branches with 3 flowering branches. All have 7-9 leaves on it. Termed "trifoliate". There are many different mutations that have trifoliate features. But doesn't not make them a Whorled plant. It doesn't make them a Trifoliate plant and it doesn't make them Triploids either. They are regular cannabis plants that have trifoliate leaf mutations. Like the picture above with the info about Trifoliate plants have nothing to do with Phyllotaxy. I understand that. That's why I posted the above info on Phyllotaxy to show that a Whorled Plant that has Trilateral features. Are refers to as trifoliates as well. Being mine started out as a trifoliate with 3leafs and we thought it was going to be that way. Then it mutated again into having 3 branches and 3 inner-branches so I guess technically it was a Trifoliate and then Mutated again into Whorled. So I ges my trifoliate Whorled on me right. Lol
 

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#60
I'm gonna discuss this--
at the next meeting of The Trilateral Commission...
NRJL70b
 
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