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What is happening to my sprouting plants

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I can't seem to get by the juvenile stage of growth. I have gone through 12 attempts and all have failed with the same symptoms. The fan leaves turn brown and die off. Is the soil too hot? Too much water? Too little water? Too much light/heat? I am using 8 50w fluorescent bulbs at 35000 luxx. Can anyone give me a clue by looking at the pics?
 

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You drownded and fried them. Throw it away.
 
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is there no hope for recovery? I was being careful not to over water. I thought 35k lux was about right according to what Iv read.
 
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You can save it. Just trim those dead leaves and leave the growing tip. Transplant into better soil. I have a feeling that is a time release soil mix.
 
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What is the soil mix you are using? Do you have access to another? Were you using that mix for the others as well? Those mixes of wood chips box store stuff don't work very well for young plants.
 
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If I'm not wrong, 35000 lux is way too much for seedlings.
 
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According to this, 35000 lux of florescent is just under 500ppfd which is almost flowering levels.

Convert Lux to PPFD - Online Calculator | Waveform Lighting

Online calculator to convert illuminance (lux) to PPFD (micromoles per second per meter squared).
www.waveformlighting.com
 
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Your problem is soil related. Lux is not a decent measure for grow lights because it is weighted on what the human eye sees. A light with more yellow than blue will have much higher lux even though the energy is the same. My lights with 660nm red barely show up on lux. She a pic of your light hitting the plant if you can
 
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Homesteader said:
Your problem is soil related. Lux is not a decent measure for grow lights because it is weighted on what the human eye sees. A light with more yellow than blue will have much higher lux even though the energy is the same. My lights with 660nm red barely show up on lux. She a pic of your light hitting the plant if you can
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I forgot to paste the link mb.
Check again.
 
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this may help you
 

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this may help you
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maybe only use a couple lights for now..
also don’t try and save them, start over, there is root damage/rot..
not worth it, especially being new to growing.
 
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gorillaglueaaron said:
According to this, 35000 lux of florescent is just under 500ppfd which is almost flowering levels.

Convert Lux to PPFD - Online Calculator | Waveform Lighting

Online calculator to convert illuminance (lux) to PPFD (micromoles per second per meter squared).
www.waveformlighting.com
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This graph doesn't work because as stated above, lux is based off of the human eye. The plant sees different rations of light than humans. What you want to go off of is ppfd (photosynthetic photon flux density), the amount of light the plant sees. I'd say 200 ppfd max for early veg, 200-500 for veg and 500-1000 for flower. It is a different case if you have supplemental CO2 but to keep it simple go with that. Go to that link I posted and figure out the lux you need based on your light spectrum.
 
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I forgot to paste the link mb.
Check again.
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Iv been using this stuff for the past 6 grows
 
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elektradw said:
is there no hope for recovery? I was being careful not to over water. I thought 35k lux was about right according to what Iv read.
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The cups are saturated and have water running down the sides- clearly overwaterd. Next time, weigh the saturated cup. Then let it lose at least 1/3 weight before watering again. My cups weigh 270g wet. I water when they get to 170. 15k lux cfl for seedlings.
 
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It does sound like overwatering combined with too strong a light for early growth (which will shock them).

You're going to be much better off taking the lessons learned here in this thread and starting over. Cannabis is very sensitive to problems that occur in early stages, especially in the baby seedling stage as in this case. They very often will become stunted and never recover. I'm afraid that in trying to nurse this one in a protracted battle to try to bring it back, you may become jaded about growing. After 12 losses, you really need your next one to be a win.
 
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It does sound like overwatering combined with too strong a light for early growth (which will shock them).

You're going to be much better off taking the lessons learned here in this thread and starting over. Cannabis is very sensitive to problems that occur in early stages, especially in the baby seedling stage as in this case. They very often will become stunted and never recover. I'm afraid that in trying to nurse this one in a protracted battle to try to bring it back, you may become jaded about growing. After 12 losses, you really need your next one to be a win.
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The cups are saturated and have water running down the sides- clearly overwaterd. Next time, weigh the saturated cup. Then let it lose at least 1/3 weight before watering again. My cups weigh 270g wet. I water when they get to 170. 15k lux cfl for seedlings.
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might look saturated but I only mist the plants from above. then cover with a clear class to contain the. humidity.
 
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so how do these plants grow in the wild with full sun even during early growth. It is a weed isnt it? They don't get pampered in the wild but. yet they survive.
 
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elektradw said:
might look saturated but I only mist the plants from above. then cover with a clear class to contain the. humidity.
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That’s a problem. Plants don’t need to be misted, nor do they need to be covered.
 
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