What is happening to them? Things are looking grim.

Beachwalker · May 4, 2020

+1 Small plants in big containers are often tough to keep watered properly

Is that soil or peat based medium?

Hobblebush · May 4, 2020

Beachwalker said:
+1 Small plants in big containers are often tough to keep watered properly

Is that soil or peat based medium?

soil based. Coast of maine platinum with compost wormcastings perlite and bone meal

Hobblebush · May 4, 2020

dire wolf said:
its become more popular with new growers to just drop seedlings or clones straight into 3 or 5 gal containers , i still go strictly with stage growing containers , put small plants into small containets , let root , up pot to next size ,
2 or 3 transplants till final container , relieves a lot of space , water , nutrient issues in my experience
Just my experience , others may disagree....

i have had it in a much smaller pot for much longer. I just transplanted 7 days ago and havent watered since besides a very very light one. They have been declining like this since before i transplanted. You can look at my other posts. It might be overwatering but they just haven't perked up even after a week of not watering. Any suggestions on the actions that i take?

Aqua Man · May 4, 2020

Only thing I can think of is make sure there is airflow. Not directly on the plant. Probably a better idea to just cut the rims down. A pot that size could take a long ass time to dry out with a small plant. Wish I could be more help

Ryboburton · May 4, 2020

So I agree with the overwatering issue. And miracle grow but have no personal experience myself. How much water are you watering those plants. At that stage I’d prob only give them 250 ml of ph’d water once every few days. Right wrong or indifferent I overwatered my plants several times and have learned with great help from my grow store and a friend but I like to let mine dry all the way out. I mean to light. It usually is every two to three days now and I’m watering to overflow on my big plants. But my little ones get very little. Hard to see but they’re only prob five inches tall. Careful with the water. Just my opinion

GNick55 · May 4, 2020

Hobblebush said:
i have had it in a much smaller pot for much longer. I just transplanted 7 days ago and havent watered since besides a very very light one. They have been declining like this since before i transplanted. You can look at my other posts. It might be overwatering but they just haven't perked up even after a week of not watering. Any suggestions on the actions that i take?

when you transplanted, didn’t you see/look at the roots? notice any browning etc?
you can find more information faster by googling and some research and than making a decision!
once you feel enough time has passed for the stress to have stopped, try your next action.
always! look at the low stress fixes first, light, temp, humidity, etc.. a lot of times it’s the fix or really won’t hurt it further, but as soon as you start using ph stuff, flushing ..etc. trouble starts accumulating
so many threads even here don’t have happy endings.
so who’s to blame?

there’s lots of success on here to.

Gashuffer · May 5, 2020

If you’re looking to raise the temp of your tent slightly, go buy some rigid foam from Home Depot, Menards, Lowe’s, etc. Get it 1-2” thick and cut it to the size of your tent floor and slide it under. That helps insulate the whole tent. They’ll sell large 4x8 sheets and often times smaller 2x2 sections if you’ve got a smaller vehicle.

Concrete floors are a huge unlimited heat sink. If you’ve got 65 ambient in the basement, the floor will be cooler and just constantly suck heat out.

Hobblebush · May 5, 2020

@dire wolf
The issue continues. The second plants leaves are touching the ground. Does anyone have any ideas for anything i can do to take action?

GNick55 · May 5, 2020

Hobblebush said:
@dire wolf
The issue continues. The second plants leaves are touching the ground. Does anyone have any ideas for anything i can do to take action?

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the plant is definitely stunted, something is wrong your roots, or maybe the floor temperature.
is the bottom of the feel cold?
try to cancel out and narrow it down.
if it’s a root problem, it’s basically not worth growing, especially if your new.

Canadianbaconbitz · May 6, 2020

Looks like my outdoor plant that's to wet and cold, but mines 2 feet tall

Jimster · May 6, 2020

I think you mentioned that you just transplanted them 4 days ago... this would explain, as well as possible lack of water at the top of container, to cause some slight wilting. The roots haven't spread out much and are still shook up from the transplant. If the soil is too wet or dry, it just adds to the stress. It should resolve pretty quickly.... plus leaves that are down below the level of the container always seem to die off. The new growth looks good so I wouldn't do anything for a few days to see how it recovers.A lot of old time growers transplant then keep in muted light for a few days, then let it go as usual.
Just my 2 cents.
*****UPDATE******

I took a closer look at the pictures and saw the canoe or taco shape of the leaves. There are two main causes of that, 1 being too much heat and the 2nd is too much Phosphorus when combined with a high calcium product, like bone meal. In a hot soil with lots of P and Calcium, they combine to create Calcium phosphate, or the mineral Apatite. This locks up the P and C, causing deficiencies and usually Ph issues from the apatite. Have you checked your outflow and Ph?

weedtech · May 6, 2020

This looks like your roots are not thriving. Perhaps the water PH is not right for the soil - that inhibits root growth. You may need to innoculate with a good worm casting tea. Plain water and worm casting tea. No other nutrients!

Slap · May 6, 2020

Aqua Man said:
To cold at night and at that age depending on the lighting used they will do much better in temps from 77-80f

But next time I would up pot as they grow... Like I say watering is going to be a big challenge in those

I'm with you, cold temps to early stunted my first grow. Do you really need to water that big pot till it has run off, with a plant that is so small. No way it will be able to intake that much water. Over work itself, won't it.

Beachwalker · May 6, 2020

Hobblebush said:
It might be overwatering but they just haven't perked up even after a week of not watering.

Look at your own words^

You're not overwatering, your improperly watering!

Roots won't grow into dry soil

If you want to save your plant and learn how to water at the same time, fill up another pot with the same Medium you're using and set it aside dry..

then when the pot with the plant in it is the same weight as the dry pot you have set aside, that's when you water

and when you do water, using 6.5 pH water, water the entire surface until 10-20% runs out the bottom, be sure to wet the entire medium!

That sized pot you using will take about a gallon, maybe more. Best wishes

Hobblebush · May 11, 2020

update: sorry for not logging on for a few days

The temps have been bad at night. In Vermont it’s snowed probably 3 inches in the last 2 day’s up north. These guys look pretty damn stunted and defeated. Is it worth saving them when I could start another strain I’d rather grow? These photos were earlier today when I gave them a decent amount of water at the roots. They really haven’t seemed to do much growth but their condition doesn’t seem to have declined much recently. Just consistently looking small and with minimal growth. when I’m awake tent temps hang around 70, but they could drop to 60 or less at night. I will check the runoff pH tomorrow,

the seedlings are starting to sag and the bottom leaves are getting brighter. Worried the cold tonight might hurt them bad. These are my main concern, as I don’t have much hope for the other ones. I fear they are going through the same issues. Could I be under watering?

Beachwalker said:
Look at your own words^

You're not overwatering, your improperly watering!

Roots won't grow into dry soil

If you want to save your plant and learn how to water at the same time, fill up another pot with the same Medium you're using and set it aside dry..

mop

Hobblebush · May 11, 2020

weedtech said:
This looks like your roots are not thriving. Perhaps the water PH is not right for the soil - that inhibits root growth. You may need to innoculate with a good worm casting tea. Plain water and worm casting tea. No other nutrients!

I I’ll try this out, somethings definitely wrong, the seedlings are now starting to droop

Hobblebush · May 11, 2020

Jimster said:
*****UPDATE******

I took a closer look at the pictures and saw the canoe or taco shape of the leaves. There are two main causes of that, 1 being too much heat and the 2nd is too much Phosphorus when combined with a high calcium product, like bone meal. In a hot soil with lots of P and Calcium, they combine to create Calcium phosphate, or the mineral Apatite. This locks up the P and C, causing deficiencies and usually Ph issues from the apatite. Have you checked your outflow and Ph?

I will check the outflow tomorrow. I haven’t been letting much flow out of the fabric pots since the plants are so to try. I have been letting maybe 5% run out I’m not using bottled nutes right now. I posted above with new pictures

OldManRiver · May 11, 2020

Hobblebush said:
Someone said they think it needs more food? I just don’t know if it’s over watered and don’t want to continue the issue

They absolutely don't need food. They have been overwatered. Overwatered plants can mimic underfed plants, because overwatering hurts the root endings, suffocates them. The plant then can't get nutes that are available.

You have to back off, water more rarely, and more precisely. Like a measured cup, right at the root stock. This is one of the hazards of starting little ones in big pots, it's harder to figure out where you're at.

PipeCarver · May 12, 2020

Hobblebush said:
I will check the outflow tomorrow. I haven’t been letting much flow out of the fabric pots since the plants are so to try. I have been letting maybe 5% run out I’m not using bottled nutes right now. I posted above with new pictures

I have to leave my lights on 24hrs when it gets too cold in my basement during veg. The small amount of heat I get off my t5 lights is enough to keep the room warm 75F lights out it drops to 64f too cold so I leave them on.

Hobblebush · May 12, 2020

OldManRiver said:
They absolutely don't need food. They have been overwatered. Overwatered plants can mimic underfed plants, because overwatering hurts the root endings, suffocates them. The plant then can't get nutes that are available.

You have to back off, water more rarely, and more precisely. Like a measured cup, right at the root stock. This is one of the hazards of starting little ones in big pots, it's harder to figure out where you're at.

Alright I will stop watering for a bit. I gave them some water yesterday right as the base to try to help the roots out and it had been about 5 days since watering last. The soil on top felt pretty dry . The smaller plants are also starting to look bad. Very early stages. Is it the cold and overwatering for them too? It definitely got way too cold last night.

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