Wow guys i feel like we just had a break thru at a group counseling session or something lol, off topic for sure, but I don't care if nobody else does. I have to read your other threads sky that el cerebro refers too and relate to the what u shared on many levels. It really sucks that we still have to fear, and thats what it's all about, keep em in the holes or crawlspaces ; ).
Sky wrote; "I told em now that they know what I do...comin to my house without a warrant and a REASON will be considered harrasment."
This topic was a matter of argument between my wife and I. Reading up on the raids that happen in the state have a common theme when law enforcement was scrutinized for the DEA style tactics on MMJ patients. They always say "how do we know who is legal and who is not?" I'n my experience in other matters of fighting for constitutional rights of myself and others I've found out in Black and white documents that law enforcement knows about me and not to engage me if they come into contact with me protesting. They never told me that but when push came to shove and suit was on the table they made it look like somebody just forgot to tell me that I was right and they were wrong and that I didn't have to fear arrest at all because the boots on the ground had to just walk away, Sad though that others doing the same thing I did would (and do) get arrested. It's called selective enforcement and it's suppose to be illigal but the police (usually politicians) are able to select people to leave alone. The main reason why they have left me alone is because I've kicked the ass of many city attorneys who all have unconstitutional regulations on the books. I get the law changed a couple years later a new city mayor and city attorney come in and the law is changed back, then I have to protest again. It's unbelievable these city attorneys have ordinances that are struck down unconstitutionally in the 9th cir and Supreme court " word for word ordinances' and they pop back up. I scratch my head and ask "do you guys just recirculate this crap" the answer is yes and then i show them emails from city attorney clerks to others asking "what ordnance do you guys use regarding vendor ordinances?"
How does all this relate to MMJ because everyone must know how the law functions, and who controls the application of that law through a chain of command. At the top is a Mayor but that depends some cities put him as just a figurehead and give the real power to another official. This is another reason to go to city public meetings and voice your opinion directly to the mayor. With MMJ it takes more balls than i currently have because of numerous reasons, i have political axe's that have been sharpened for my head.
I'm getting off on a tangent here but what sky said is paramount, they fear me because in court they can't claim they didn't know the law, in the case of MMJ they wouldn't be able to claim they didn't know I was legal. With the civil rights cases i've fought, a suit from me is a walk in the park because my whole case is based upon solid case law in Federal courts, we don't have that with MMJ. Even so in my other cases not related to MMJ, It didn't prevent the bastards from going right back to doing what they did before because of the control they need over the population, money made and the sheeple who don't care about their rights until it's their case. The people have to power to change things.
So this was my fight with my wife; I serve the city mayor's office, city attorney and Police Chief that i'm a card holder and that i'm considering cultivation, I ask them to state their policies in writing. You will not hear from the Mayor directly except for him to say he turned this over to the city attorney, You likely won't hear a word from the police chief, and the city attorney will tell you what you already know the law says. But behind the scenes the mayor since he has direct knowledge and cant have a screwup of you claiming harassment from his office will need to cover his ass, at the city attorneys suggestion, and approval from the mayor, the city attorney will TELL the police chief to brief his officers to leave you alone. They will note it in their computer system, the police will pull you over and hand you back your DL and only say "have a nice day" (When that happened to me on a routine traffic stop I thought it was due to him getting a call or something, but it was due to my threat of suit to the city.)
If anything happens the police cannot tell the media "how do we know who is legal and who is not" I can say I asked the mayor, the police chief and the city attorney if I could, so they knew. Could you imagine the position that would put them into.
There is a reason some would not and that is family court with regards to patients who have children particularly small children, the law offers protections but they are grey with regards to cultivation, the law requires proven threat to the health and safety of the child. I've heard of environmental health being invited on raids as well as other agencies. It isn't a streach to see they could say chemicals, mold, electrical conserns ect. could be used against you. It would be wise for anyone to bring in the 14th ammendment to battle such groups by asking if they do the same raids and inspections to hobbiest growers of medicinal plants such as mullen, stevia, nettle, or high dollar flower growers, point out the swimming pool acids and chemicals which are just as dangerous.
One point taken that we can all agree upon is that growers should not be doing things half assed we now have houses going up in flames due to growers, I have to fact check what I heard that 14 have gone up in flames here in az since the law changed. That's bad news if it's true and they can show it's an increase.
Sadly I still have one foot in the shadow and one in the light and because of our law passing by literally a few votes I'm going to stay behind the scenes to see what happens in November, sorry to hear about your son sky, I lost a wife to meth and booze.
