whats the news on COs legal MJ laws

[sky high]

Because it is an amendment....my understanding is that it will have to go back to a vote (unless the Fed kills it all first)

If it does go back to a vote....home growing will stand, and commercial will go. Pretty sure that if the home growers are threatened, many folks, like me, will vote against EVERY measure that says "commercial" in the future.

And I will never stop growing. I grew long before these laws were ever though of....and thus....they mean little here. Overall, they are a convenience to have in place but their removal would not be a hindrance to most personal growers. (who are in it because they enjoy getting high)

In the end, these fuckers are all so greedy they are gonna implode the entire thing....and then the Gov't will have it's say. They are simply waiting for the players to do what they always have done....which to do is whatever they please and stretch the laws beyond their breaking point....then it's all gonna come down hard....

"hang myself when I get enough rope" White Punks on Dope- Tubes

 

[SpiderKid]

I agree. I'd stay underground , never telling a peep. Not the state, red card screw it.

 

[sky high]

A lot of guys never came topside in the first place.....having that "Number one rule" in their heads for so long that you can bet they aren't gonna grease their ass up for the state dick to slide in and out like so many who are new to the game seem to be doing these days.

IMO...the only way the dispensaries have stayed in biz is the back door. We are already seeing it all being linked to Columbian cartels in the public eye....and a few good instances of that kinda BAD press/other bad press on recreational/retail side of the coin will sway this Republican (yes, we are) state hard in the other direction. (if the FED doesn't act first) Folks here are understanding..to a point...but I believe strongly that they (or the lawmakers) can...and will.... make changes (while keeping their personal rights to grow intact) and send the clowns packing quickly if they feel it is out of control. Gonna be interesting to watch from the sidelines...for sure.

"and we just smiled and waived..sittin there on that sack of seed..."

 

[CBF]

so bascally we don't have a clue on licencing for growers distributors and retailers???

 

[sky high]

I hope yer feelin better.

Tex might have an idea about what is goin on. Seems like there's so many variables with the counties being able to make/call their own shots. Confusing at best. The only constant is that the State is in the mix/wants their cut. Have the knuckleheads over there made any decisions about how it will play out/if they will allow any of it?

 

[Texas Kid]

IMO...the only way the dispensaries have stayed in biz is the back door. We are already seeing it all being linked to Columbian cartels in the public eye....and a few good instances of that kinda BAD press/other bad press on recreational/retail side of the coin will sway this Republican (yes, we are) state hard in the other direction. (if the FED doesn't act first) Folks here are understanding..to a point...but I believe strongly that they (or the lawmakers) can...and will.... make changes (while keeping their personal rights to grow intact) and send the clowns packing quickly if they feel it is out of control. Gonna be interesting to watch from the sidelines...for sure.

"and we just smiled and waived..sittin there on that sack of seed..."

Couldn't really be farther from the truth, I know it is hard to believe but I do not know of one dispensary/opc setup that can grow as much as they need for themselves much less have enough to hawk out the back door and risk loosing it all. I could sell 100lbs a day, legally and above board to a pile of dispensaries that can't keep up or produce subpar product so there is no need to take on the liability or risk of selling out the back door..its the at home non tax paying players/growers will be the first to go, not the guys kickin in tens of millions of dollars to the state coffers....the next thing your goin to see is the state will quit renewing MMC store licenses and then Red cards become obsolete in order to force everyone to the retail tax model goin forward..the only difference in the two is the extended plant counts and extra weight provisions which they hate anyways..once the retail 64 side is up and clickin on all cylinders they will do away with the medical..just a guess but Washington state is already doing it, so I am sure the capitol boys are watching with great interest

 

[lino]

I have to agree . In the last cpl weeks I have been hearing of Many regulations to try control the masses of marijuana growers. There is talk rite now of very strict seed sales regulation at state level. I have talked to so many seed breeders that are SHOCKED to find out that much of these regs have just been implemented. many of the cannabis STATE LEVEL seed regs are already in place past the point of proposals. And the New 'seed reg proposals' are full control of breeders thru tax and penalties just like owning any Rec Biz and any farm in the USA, you not able to produce your own seed cost effectively. I'll post some more info soon. Things are going to change over the next few year in a big way. Maybe sooner.

 

[kolah]

Personally I don't care who grows what, who sells it or who smokes it.

I'd like to think that somewhere they can be a happy medium..where potshops can grow pot and sell it fairly unrestricted and the little guys can grow a few plants in their yards. The people voted to Legalize it...why not let it be, keep it simple and let the fucking state and feds take in the tax revenue. It doesn't have to be so g-damn complicated.

 

[sky high]

Thanks for the input on what yer seeing TK. FWIW I know a couple owners and they have their (old) ways still in place....possibly a different set up than the FR cus there aren't enough "patients' comin in the door up here as on the FR and rent is 30-40 per sq +triple net in most props here. What I see and laff about all the time is that the parking spaces are always empty in front of these local stores....and nobody seems to be there on a regular basis at at least one establishment that has been there for 4 years. Maybe they are selling to other dispensaries and making bank that way.... and maybe they shut down all those houses they were running in multiple counties that a couple of my kids friends were running/living in/and cranking out product for em... but I kinda doubt it with the prices/etc of the day.

Either way it will be interesting to see if they get licensed for rec sales on the 1st and where it goes from here.

MMJ/home grows won't go away with the waive of a hand. That's why they were made a part of the State Constitution and were not added on as a lesser piece of legislation.

 

[lino]

MMJ/home grows won't go away with the waive of a hand. That's why they were made a part of the State Constitution and were not added on as a lesser piece of legislation.

Pandora box is open and the state and Feds will have a hell of time getting tax out of us, but remember they won and get 99% of the booze tax....

 

[lino]

Cannabis Seed sales are now under state authority and state AG depts. My students are putting these new Reg proposal into PDFs for approvals. Keep in mind New regs come with enforcement provisions. My new company handles this task of compliance and seed registration. It is more complex and expensive to get seeds certified under state Regs than one might imagine, hence Monsanto and other large companies form to accomplish this task by hiring PHD botanist and horticulturists and DNA specialist to get seeds to meet regs and compliance for state and FEDs for the future.

The 1st steps in filling out many forms are not to bad as you'll see in the PDF provided, but testing seeds, that comes with effort and expense and knowledge in AG, botany and some other sciences. One of the biggest seed testing facilities is hear in Colo. They're not cheap.

And I dont know of any other cannabis testing for cannabis seed companies yet except for my company who has been working with the AG depts on Cannabis issues since 2011 and other seed families for years. There might be someone else doing this but for now the state has told me I'm the only company qualified and performing in Cannabis Seed testing for Colo State business sales. We cover all the complexities, packaging, testing, DNA marker ID and true ownership, International Code of Nomenclature database entry of your registrar cultivar (we handle all the scientific naming- botanist and scientist dont understand white widow x haze) wont qualify , and the 100's of other complexities in getting your genetics ready for sale in Colo and we'll have your seed company staged for Federal level compliance when it arrives.

I hope to be presenting to the scientific community (http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php) regarding a new species of hemp not a subspecies in years to come. I truly believe I have the new Species of hemp and hope the International scientific community doesnt laugh me off the stage, but I know I'm I have something special so all this ties into getting your seed registered if the state keeps moving forward on enforcement of seed sales.

I am not able to post proposals, sorry, but for now I can post actual regs as they come out. this form is old but now applies to cannabis as far as the state is concerned.

 

[Green Mopho]

Denver New website on cannabis, nothing positive to me, the site appears to be about more marijuana restrictions than the promotion of tourism and the positive side of rec marijuana.

http://www.colorado.gov/marijuanainfodenver/

LOL, its a govt website, why would it "promote" anything but beaurocracy? Regulations. Its what they do. Its all they do. This is like argueing that the DMV website doesn't have lessons on drifting a Supra on mountain roads.

 

[true grit]

Ya Sky you'd be surprised, i hear the same things as Tex from my legal friends. They can't keep up with demand. Booming business thats about to grow tremendously with the legal/retail market.

Frankly I like the idea of strict regulation of finished product. make people step up their game or move on... that shit shoulda been happening already. Hopefully it will give the small guys a fighting chance for the niche market. In many of the other states, they are requiring testing facilities as part of your license, and all product must be tested before made available to the public...welcome to the future standard. If you can't control your rooms or pests without serious chemicals you're not gonna make the cut.

 

[sky high]

Doesn't surprise me, guys. Nothing in all of this BS really surprises me anymore...other than the fact that there are so many willing to swallow for the State. Hopefully the regs and the law will keep everyone in line who is playing along.

 

[Texas Kid]

No ones banning chemicals you just have to declare them even 100% organic formulas have to be declared and I think a residual test on the finished product that comes up clean my trump the process at the warehouse level...all a few years away imo..I've already been thru a couple amend 64 re-inspection in the last week and we are a long way from any real reform..the fire marshal has all kinds of new regs for co2, LPG, and NG use and storage and all closed loop and or line fed gas devices must be scientifically certified by the manufacturer and the state and kept current..all building and rooms that use co2 must have hazmat placards on the building and each contained room..we got flagged for a bunch of old empty co2 cylinders not being chained/secured to the wall or cart..gotta treat cylinders like your in a welding/fab shop and secure them no matter what..I did the jedi mind trick on the burners but then as I read the regs I don't see any problem with open flame co2 NG generators, I mean we have those big ass Modine gas open flame heaters in the rafters of the warehouse and those are ok..either way im runnin a pile of Gen2 co2 generators and the fire guys didn't say shit....new place is all giant tank feed system, tits!!

 

[souf69]

I think they are gonna shut down the home grows in time. Once the tax dollars start flowing. They can't control that market & that market has been supplying most of the usa ( cali, wash, colo)

They gotta shut this shit down. They can't regulate the little guy, nor do they trust him. The little men are pushing shit east.

The little men, as well as some centers involved in this too... Corporations, LLC, and Enterprises.. Trust the little guy? The big guys do the most damage....

 

[Thachrizzy]

To get rid of the home grow they are going to have to modify the Colorado State Constitution. The best part of the MMJ/REC laws in Colorado is that they are part of the State Constitution. This makes it VERY difficult to take away any State Constitutional Right. Now they can further regulate...so you may end up seeing limits to plant counts that are more stringent than what is current...on the MMJ side at least. But then again there are only about 115K licensed MMJ patients at the moment, so I doubt this will happen any time soon.

 

[SpiderKid]

I wasn't aware ... So are they cl

To get rid of the home grow they are going to have to modify the Colorado State Constitution. The best part of the MMJ/REC laws in Colorado is that they are part of the State Constitution. This makes it VERY difficult to take away any State Constitutional Right. Now they can further regulate...so you may end up seeing limits to plant counts that are more stringent than what is current...on the MMJ side at least. But then again there are only about 115K licensed MMJ patients at the moment, so I doubt this will happen any time soon.

I think it will happen thru regulation, like they do in the trucking industry. If your selling into the private arena they will make you test every batch of dope. I think for a full test it's over $200.00. ( per test, per batch, you have three strains growing will need testing every harvest ) They will shut down the use of chem's in wax ect forcing adoption of Co2 extract, much more expensive ( in the name of safety ). They just limited the amount of plants in denver, sidestepping new laws just voted in. Or what if they start coming in grows for safety inspections, random ....

I hope i'm wrong, but I keep coming back to the taxes. They will want to tax everything, at this point they can't monitor the small grow's so at the very least I see them doing this in some way.

The Fed's already told Colorado .gov, shut down the borders or we will come in and blow it all up. So in my eyes, it has become the number one priority of the state to end illegal exports. They are looking at making millions longer term & imo, will protect this at all cost.

 

[Thachrizzy]

I could not agree more. This past week I flew out of DIA and they had the State K9 units sniffing every single passenger going thru security. It was a Narcotics K9 unit.

The Fed's already told Colorado .gov, shut down the borders or we will come in and blow it all up. So in my eyes, it has become the number one priority of the state to end illegal exports. They are looking at making millions longer term & imo, will protect this at all cost.

 

[lino]

To get rid of the home grow they are going to have to modify the Colorado State Constitution. The best part of the MMJ/REC laws in Colorado is that they are part of the State Constitution. This makes it VERY difficult to take away any State Constitutional Right. Now they can further regulate...so you may end up seeing limits to plant counts that are more stringent than what is current...on the MMJ side at least. But then again there are only about 115K licensed MMJ patients at the moment, so I doubt this will happen any time soon.

Constitutional violations;
US constitution is is in extreme violation with every change that Obama has made to the HC law since the supreme court ruling. In early American history this cowardly act would have been handle with more consequences than impeachment alone.
Colorado Constitutional law is violated with every change made to amend 64. The Colorado Constitutional law has lost many protections of privacy in the MMJ registry. The MMJ registry has been breached more than a Gov HC database. Chizzy, no one knows the constitutions or they majority doesnt care bout constitutional rights. Americans are under extreme constitutional attack like never encountered in USA before, Obama and HickNpoop make G Bush look like a constitutionalist, thats sad.