London bud said:

What do you guys class as the start of flowering. Is it the day you switch to 12/12 or the day she actually starts flowering?

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Rootbound said:

Imstart counting the day I flip to 12/12.

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Bulldog420 said:

Day you flip 12/12 is when flowering begins indoors.

Outdoors however, I always take away two weeks once I see buds just starting to form if flowering naturally.

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jumpincactus said:

I start with actual fruitification/budset. I have always considered the week after flip to be a transitional period with the hormonal ques to begin flowering as the plant senses its time to start setting fruit.
I have found that method generally gets me closer to the actual time of ripeness as opposed to using the breeders theoretical flower times. You may ask, why did he say (theoretical) flower times?

I say that because to my mind there are so many variables with phenos within a pack, differences in environments, grower skill levels, geography, weather patterns, indoor systems used. Varying levels of stress induced to the grows etc. that at best, posted breeder times are but a tool to use for a (general) idea when your flowers are ripe.
Determining ripeness is a very personal thing and each farmer has their personal preferences and idea of when their flowers are ready for harvest. Determining optimum ripeness is an art, not unlike a proper dry and cure and these skills come with experience over time.

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jumpincactus said:

I start with actual fruitification/budset. I have always considered the week after flip to be a transitional period with the hormonal ques to begin flowering as the plant senses its time to start setting fruit.
I have found that method generally gets me closer to the actual time of ripeness as opposed to using the breeders theoretical flower times. You may ask, why did he say (theoretical) flower times?

I say that because to my mind there are so many variables with phenos within a pack, differences in environments, grower skill levels, geography, weather patterns, indoor systems used. Varying levels of stress induced to the grows etc. that at best, posted breeder times are but a tool to use for a (general) idea when your flowers are ripe.
Determining ripeness is a very personal thing and each farmer has their personal preferences and idea of when their flowers are ready for harvest. Determining optimum ripeness is an art, not unlike a proper dry and cure and these skills come with experience over time.

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London bud said:

That's what good about keeping a grow diary on here, im lazy and I wouldn't normally have any reference as to how long I've been in 12/12 or for when the first pistils appeared but by keeping a grow diary I've been able to look back and check. I'm not gonna be judging by times stated for particular strains but when you do chop its nice to know exactly how long it took.

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Rootbound said:

I have heard people say they start counting when first pistils appear. All my girls have pistils showing before I flip them to 12/12, these are not autos either.

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OldSmokie76 said:

Showing pistils as pre-flower during veg? I've seen it. How many weeks along? What's your veg light cycle? 24/7 or 18/6?

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OldSmokie76 said:

Everybody today with all this knowledge. That's what this forum is all about. @jumpincactus laying on the heavy technical shit while we all read in awe. With flowering time and harvest questions and all.... Is monitoring the trichome development ultimately the tell all for harvest time? Clear, cloudy and Amber? Just curious if anybody has some knowledge on that.

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