When is it a new strain?

[Dodge]

Oye,

What's up in the world! Hey, so if you get beans of a certain type and raise them and you find a badass pheno you like, can you give that pheno a name? Or do you have to just call it by the cross that created it? Or do you have to find your own male and your own female phenos and cross them and then select a pheno from that offspring, before you have the right to name it and call it your own?

 

[swisscheese]

People rename strains from beans all the time, a great example would be all the different types of og kush.

 

[legal_med_grow]

yea like pineapple expresss

 

[The HC]

What people do and what people should do are two different things.

I think that the line is really shaky, and you have to consider a lot of things. If your selling it to growers it needs to be more unique to be considered a new strain, but the product of these plants, and special pheno type can be a new strain, although you still should tell people the genetic origins.

 

[PDX420Grower]

Call it what it is.

 

[Smoking Gun]

Different phenotypes are NOT new strains!!!!!! A new strain is ONLY created after two distinct set of genes have been bred and many generations of that cross and its offspring are grown out and recrossed. Until the strain is STABLE and true breeding then you have a new strain. However there are a lot of people out there who rename existing clones, add names to unknown clones, find bagseed and give it a new name and quickly combine two strains and sell the seeds as anew strain. None of these are really new strains. The only way to TRULY create a new strain is years of breeding and selecting. If you found a seed in a bag just call it what it is, an unknown bagseed of unknown genetics (unless you know the grower only grew one strain in the room) that is not a new strain. If you feel so compelled to call it something distinct ad your handle in from of it and call it the "Dodge (strain) Cut". This has been done with multiple strains, ie: SSSDH. There were 3 distinct cuts that were being passed around and they were all called SSSDH with the grower who found that pheno's handle placed in front of it., or SoCal Master Kush; it was a Master Kush that someone in SoCal found a special cut and passed it around.

 

[johnursery]

^^^what he said and he said it very well

 

[TreFarmer]

Different phenotypes are NOT new strains!!!!!! A new strain is ONLY created after two distinct set of genes have been bred and many generations of that cross and its offspring are grown out and recrossed. Until the strain is STABLE and true breeding then you have a new strain. However there are a lot of people out there who rename existing clones, add names to unknown clones, find bagseed and give it a new name and quickly combine two strains and sell the seeds as anew strain. None of these are really new strains. The only way to TRULY create a new strain is years of breeding and selecting. If you found a seed in a bag just call it what it is, an unknown bagseed of unknown genetics (unless you know the grower only grew one strain in the room) that is not a new strain. If you feel so compelled to call it something distinct ad your handle in from of it and call it the "Dodge (strain) Cut". This has been done with multiple strains, ie: SSSDH. There were 3 distinct cuts that were being passed around and they were all called SSSDH with the grower who found that pheno's handle placed in front of it., or SoCal Master Kush; it was a Master Kush that someone in SoCal found a special cut and passed it around.

^^^^

Well said!!
Years of work otherwise just crosses with names... I can show you a few crosses I have made from Stable strains/varieties, strains that took years to develop... MY strains are a few years out at best!!
With that said naming your crosses has become fairly important to keep things simple, and because some simple one time crosses become a new clone- only "strain." This is where symmantics(sp?) And language elasticity come into play. Sometimes the f1 is the only time that cross was worth while, all attempts at refinement may fail... this would be considered a "strain" by most, but not by horticulturists.. yes??
Anyway.. in dogs I believe the rule of thumb is 7 generations to stablize, for a new breed/strain/variety...