I'm feeling like if the roots are too damaged and too far gone on a plant that size there's no saving it. There is a point of no return, I would say. Max, I'm sorry to see your plants looking like that. its truly nauseating.

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Here are some (poor quality) photos of a few RA affected plants... but most likely we are gonna break 'er all down and try to start fresh... sux.

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2 of my plants started looking like that and they were a complete loss. I treated them and it kinda worked but the buds they grew weren't good. Once "it" happens they can't process light and the buds got all f-ed up and burnt looking. This harvest is going to be 1/2 of normal, never had a problem that caused so much damage before...

altimood said:

I'm feeling like if the roots are too damaged and too far gone on a plant that size there's no saving it. There is a point of no return, I would say. Max, I'm sorry to see your plants looking like that. its truly nauseating.

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100% fact. There is no fixing anything once the point of no return is reached with root damage. Met only works well if used from the start as a preventative. I put met in the plants in this thread in the first week of flower and they are finishing up fine. They look a little yellowed/damaged but I can't find RA's. I think I had the soil mix a touch hot for the fade. I pulled the DWC down with the met treated hydroton and there are NO RA's in the roots. Couple fungus gnats here and there...
MET FTW!

Good thread I read the whole thing and bookmarked most of the links. I did not see any details of the mixing ratios for Met. I was told that it is 2.2~6.6 grams per gallon of media is this correct?

Onespark I was glad to see that you had success with met in hydro. I was under the impression that it had to be used in soil (peat based) or soilless only. So how did you mix this to crown your hydroton pots and was any put into the reservoir?

I've got seedlings, thoroughly examined starters, and clones ready to go. All are very healthy with explosive root growth and were examined with a microscope and show no signs of RA whatsoever. These were also given 1 shot of kontos. I'm pretty confident I do not have RA at this point at least not on these plants. Most will be run in canna coco with canna nutes and maybe some in hydro.

Any help or confirmation of the dosage rates would be much appreciated.

Also I read that the mixing is supposed to be done @1/3 strength and then the remaining 2/3 of Met is to be mixed in 7 days later?
Did you do that Altimood and what was your dosage rate with coco?

thanks,

Dorje said:

2 of my plants started looking like that and they were a complete loss. I treated them and it kinda worked but the buds they grew weren't good. Once "it" happens they can't process light and the buds got all f-ed up and burnt looking. This harvest is going to be 1/2 of normal, never had a problem that caused so much damage before...

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100% fact. There is no fixing anything once the point of no return is reached with root damage. Met only works well if used from the start as a preventative. I put met in the plants in this thread in the first week of flower and they are finishing up fine. They look a little yellowed/damaged but I can't find RA's. I think I had the soil mix a touch hot for the fade. I pulled the DWC down with the met treated hydroton and there are NO RA's in the roots. Couple fungus gnats here and there...
MET FTW!

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I have to agree heartily with the "no fixing it once it's got to a certain point" sentiments. Like lil miss and cemchris were saying last year, it's a tough thing to wrap your head (and your heart) around, but it's the truth. The plants have nothing left in them to fight, and if it's not the RAs, it's the secondary infections that take them down and/or keep them down.

It has been suggested to me that perhaps certain compounds in the sap, Brix and NO3 (don't know where you'd get a sap NO3 tester, just read that Cardy has taken the high-NO3 meter off the market) may help us in understanding vulnerability to infestation, etcetera. What I don't know is what the brix levels were in my three scenarios last year and how that relates to what I observed, i.e. soil food web, organically fed, suffered not a single RA, whereas coco and perlite both suffered terrible infestations (perlite was OD, coco was ID).

Seamaiden said:

i.e. soil food web, organically fed, suffered not a single RA, whereas coco and perlite both suffered terrible infestations (perlite was OD, coco was ID).

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There's other stuff for RAs to eat in an organic system, most of my plants looked unaffected by RAs except for the sfv og kush and BB3, an og kush cross. Could be they were more heavily infested or that the RAs prefer og kush. The plants that looked unaffected are probably going to suffer a loss of yield, but if you didn't find all the dead RAs around the perimeter of the pot or in the roots you wouldn't even know there was a problem.

bongorilla said:

Good thread I read the whole thing and bookmarked most of the links. I did not see any details of the mixing ratios for Met. I was told that it is 2.2~6.6 grams per gallon of media is this correct?

Onespark I was glad to see that you had success with met in hydro. I was under the impression that it had to be used in soil (peat based) or soilless only. So how did you mix this to crown your hydroton pots and was any put into the reservoir?

I've got seedlings, thoroughly examined starters, and clones ready to go. All are very healthy with explosive root growth and were examined with a microscope and show no signs of RA whatsoever. These were also given 1 shot of kontos. I'm pretty confident I do not have RA at this point at least not on these plants. Most will be run in canna coco with canna nutes and maybe some in hydro.

Any help or confirmation of the dosage rates would be much appreciated.

Also I read that the mixing is supposed to be done @1/3 strength and then the remaining 2/3 of Met is to be mixed in 7 days later?
Did you do that Altimood and what was your dosage rate with coco?

thanks,

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I am running 10 grams of met in a 3 gallon container which equals an 1/8 of an inch at the bottom of a beer cup. I compact the coco, sprinkle half the met, place the root ball, bury it half way, then sprinkle the rest of the met around the root ball, then finish adding the rest of the coco. The idea is to get the spores growing around the root ball. Then it continues to grow and spread.

I am hopeful that Met52 will become more readily available in NorCal. I really need something like this as I am noticing even in my cleaned room that there are some (early) but telltale signs of them. I've been using Merit75, etc, so I am not as concerned as before (along with other insecticides) but this Met52 sounds to be the bees knees.

Bongrilla - Your dosage rates are correct. Your impression is also correct. Met 52 is NOT intended to be used in hydro. I applied it to the crown and kept it out of the res as much as possible. It colonized in under week. Some got down in the water so I changed the system out. I am here telling you it is working for me on this pest, BUT... Let me say a few important things here that will help clarify the thread a little bit... Everyone pay attention for a sec....

1. Met 52 was NEVER approved for MMJ or Phylloxera by anyone. It is safe for humans, bees and waterways as far as the EPA is concerned on the approved plants. It is approved for...
• Tree nursery crops and perennial plants • Flower crops and potted plants • Strawberries • Blackcurrants and red, white or blue gooseberries, brambleberries and/or raspberries • Grapes
It is NOT safe to breath the spores and care must be taken in application and disposal. I was comfortable enough with that to move forward with testing on phylloxera in cannabis plants.

2. Met 52 has been tested on phylloxera here on this thread and by a number of growers in Colorado, California and elsewhere with great results, however, in this amazing grey area of Federal regulation and corporate America we are not able to say that "Met 52 works on controlling Root Aphids". Much more data is needed to prove this. This is the normal process in the US to bring products through federal regulation and EPA approval an each target.

3. Phylloxera is currently on the verge of a possible third mutation in 550 acres of california vine stock. That's right folks, We don't know what they are about to do. They are on the run through the use of resistant vine stock and all kinds of other methods of control but... No one can say if MET will be effective on this next generation of critters or not. We just have to all do what we can to research and test and prove ways to keep our plants safe from these threats.

Seamaiden- Some great points. I think we have all noticed how some plants remain free of pests while others are quicker to fall to any number of threats. It would be interesting to understand how Brix and NO3 or other compounds in the sap / bark effected resistance. That is something for the breeding program there!

Phenotyper - PM me and I will get you the contact if you need some.

Maxwell - Yup. Thats the plague there. Makes me sad. Looks like you are going to be ok though. You are taking proper measures to eliminate the threat in your next round. Best of luck!

Keep smiling folks...

Mutation? Ah nuts. Now we need Met 53.

Time will tell for sure. I'm subbed on this one. Seems like yall have had great results. My question have you had any kind of other outbreaks or even a single sign of RA's? I lost alot of plants I didnt want to and I think thats the reason I made some poor decisions when trying to deal with it. Once I bit the bullet things became alot easier. Clones are staying out of my rooms for quite some time now . Best of luck peeps.

altimood said:

Mutation? Ah nuts. Now we need Met 53.

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hahahaha

cemchris said:

Time will tell for sure. I'm subbed on this one. Seems like yall have had great results. My question have you had any kind of other outbreaks or even a single sign of RA's? I lost alot of plants I didnt want to and I think thats the reason I made some poor decisions when trying to deal with it. Once I bit the bullet things became alot easier. Clones are staying out of my rooms for quite some time now . Best of luck peeps.

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What up CC

I have squashed any uprisings with Bayer Complete then transplanted into bigger containers with Met 52. The plants seem to be responding well. No signs of deficiencies. So, YES, they (the bastards) are up in my space flying around. Here's the vegging plants:


So I'm gonna march on and hope for the best. Be back in a few days with updates and developments.

altimood said:

What up CC

I have squashed any uprisings with Bayer Complete then transplanted into bigger containers with Met 52. The plants seem to be responding well. No signs of deficiencies. So, YES, they (the bastards) are up in my space flying around. Here's the vegging plants:

So I'm gonna march on and hope for the best. Be back in a few days with updates and developments.

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Moms are looking superb bro. I love your stadium setup. You have some gnarly strains kicking in them there hills! I love how your camera says it's 2012. Lol

CC - I have scrapped my whole grow and started over to have the RA's appear again after everything is re-set and going well. I have not found any RA's in the two rooms that I have in the thread after using Met 52. One was RDWC and one was soil. The soil plants still don't have them. The RDWC plants have been chopped. When conditions are right for these suckers you can find huge piles of aphids blowing up in small sections of root mass. Shortly thereafter they go nuts and destroy your garden. That didn't happen to me this time around. I am moving out of my space that I had all this drama in over the past year. New space is all from seed and preventative measures taken. I have not seen any more break out of this plague, but if I do see one root aphid I am going nuclear so watch out.:mad0233:

I'm putting on a lead suit and waiting for the fire. Hook a bruddah up! But just when I thought I was waxin' RA's, I got a 300x scope and found RA's and their offspring chilling out drinking Pacifico's on my Grandoggy purps cuts. This was truly depressing since I had just hit em' with Bayer Complete. I'm going in for another look tomorrow. Hopefully they're dead by then. I couldn't believe what I found on this healthy looking root ball with this scope. I was randomly placing it and finding root aphids with every look. I will say I killed a lot of adults immediately but there was a lot of bugs still moving around (younglings) and sucking on roots. This scope can take still shots so I will be posting some soon. The Bayer Complete label states that it can take a day or two to kill the bugs and I'm gonna be checking that out. The experience definitely put me back in check. BUT, I checked all surrounding plants (root balls) with the scope and found no RA's. I hit everything in beer cups with Bayer anyway because that stuff doesn't seem to hurt an 8" tall plant. So, there you go and there it is. Wish me luck.

altimood. Thats awful news.

Dude, are you saying that you have found them in met 52 treated containers?

I am still battling these bitchass mother fuckers. was gonna hit up dude in CO for the met. I am wondering if the inoculated grains being applied maybe have different densities of the fungus. And thats why some pots have proliferated and others havent.

I m gonna say it again, it has to be something from the suppliers. FF and roots or some other big guys. I was wondering about the root riot or rapid rooters even. I mean how else could they just in last 2 years populate every med state?

You guys remember when mites were the scourge?


Just when i thought there was a light at the end of the tunnel.

Good Luck, Grow Hard

Im almost positive I got them from roots

im going to be breaking down the room after this run~~>>>
any recommendations on totally eradicating these bitches when there arn't plants n the room? bug bombs? :wondering

Chronic Monster said:

Im almost positive I got them from roots

im going to be breaking down the room after this run~~>>>
any recommendations on totally eradicating these bitches when there arn't plants n the room? bug bombs? :wondering

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Good question.

I'm thinking clean the room really well, then bug bomb.

All of the plants currently in veg. will be treated with IMID. I'm thinking of using IMID on all my soil when I go to remix it to make sure the bugs are dead and using Met as a preventative measure after that.

green punk said:

altimood. Thats awful news.

Dude, are you saying that you have found them in met 52 treated containers?

I am still battling these bitchass mother fuckers. was gonna hit up dude in CO for the met. I am wondering if the inoculated grains being applied maybe have different densities of the fungus. And thats why some pots have proliferated and others havent.

I m gonna say it again, it has to be something from the suppliers. FF and roots or some other big guys. I was wondering about the root riot or rapid rooters even. I mean how else could they just in last 2 years populate every med state?

You guys remember when mites were the scourge?


Just when i thought there was a light at the end of the tunnel.

Good Luck, Grow Hard

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Green Punk:
They were in non treated beer cups. In the future I'm starting Met in the beer cups but didn't have it till afterthey were already in the cups this go around. IMIDACLOPRID did work yesterday. Couldn't find live ones except one half-dead one:(2nd picture)


this guy was bearly moving.

All we're seeing here is an exoskeleton.

Here is a dead flyer! YAY!

So Bayer Complete killed them fuckers. Now I will transplant with Met 52 and keep on updating as things progress or not progress. Love this scope. It really helps to see these bastards.

AM- Wow that camera is sick. Those pictures also make me sick. Are you gonna MET those things or what? Disgusting creatures.:animal0012: What camera did you buy cause I want one.

As far as cleaning the room. I would hit everything (including pots or equipment and your venting) with bleach. Bug bomb. Hit everything with Physan after that. Bug Bomb again. Should do the trick. The only problem is they hide under the floor boards and in any crack they can find and go dormant for a month or so. Then they wake up when everything is nice and fresh and try to F*!# your world. I think if you take down and do a serious clean and start fresh and use all the preventatives you will be good. Worked for me so far anyway. No RA's in my girls. Bombs alone will not do it, no way.