Who wants to kill some root aphids?

bongorilla · Jul 21, 2011

Thanks for the input on the dosage and application rates for Met. After reviewing your pics I think I have a different species. Mine are native to my area, which was devastated by the phylloxera plague in the early 1900's. Most counties in Nor cal are phylloxerated with 2 main bio types and many different strains of each bio type. Drought suppresses them which we've had for a few years, this year being the first of heavy rain fall, it's an especially bad year for them.

I have the coco starter plants that are ready to plant in the met in the next day or 2, I don't think they're contaminated, but they need more microscopic examination to be sure. All treated with spirotetramat.

I'm also trying straight perlite IRB style, some infused with Met.

Will give updates..

Quick question, are you guys venting your rooms?

altimood · Jul 21, 2011

Onespark said:
AM- Wow that camera is sick. Those pictures also make me sick. Are you gonna MET those things or what? Disgusting creatures.:animal0012: What camera did you buy cause I want one.

As far as cleaning the room. I would hit everything (including pots or equipment and your venting) with bleach. Bug bomb. Hit everything with Physan after that. Bug Bomb again. Should do the trick. The only problem is they hide under the floor boards and in any crack they can find and go dormant for a month or so. Then they wake up when everything is nice and fresh and try to F*!# your world. I think if you take down and do a serious clean and start fresh and use all the preventatives you will be good. Worked for me so far anyway. No RA's in my girls. Bombs alone will not do it, no way.

That is a:
Celestron Handheld Deluxe Digital Microscope, 10x / 40x / 150x Power, LED Illuminated, with USB Interface.

These units can be found online between $55 and $65. Google search it. Then another friend told me he's getting an 800x. I was like, "Wow, you'll be able to watch a root aphid flossing his teeth n shot."

altimood · Jul 21, 2011

bongorilla said:
Thanks for the input on the dosage and application rates for Met. After reviewing your pics I think I have a different species. Mine are native to my area, which was devastated by the phylloxera plague in the early 1900's. Most counties in Nor cal are phylloxerated with 2 main bio types and many different strains of each bio type. Drought suppresses them which we've had for a few years, this year being the first of heavy rain fall, it's an especially bad year for them.

I have the coco starter plants that are ready to plant in the met in the next day or 2, I don't think they're contaminated, but they need more microscopic examination to be sure. All treated with spirotetramat.

I'm also trying straight perlite IRB style, some infused with Met.

Will give updates..

Quick question, are you guys venting your rooms?

Yes on venting my room. I grew up in Solano County and I have a sibling in Sonoma County. You're talking about vineyard phylloxera, right? I'd love to see some pics if you could hook em up just to see the physical differences. I bet there's all kind of phylloxera in the US.

cemchris · Jul 21, 2011

Altimood and onespark. Thanks for being the testers as I gave up. Shut down my grow for about 8 months or close to it. Back up seems to be good. One suggestion I have is after you clean the rooms through repaint! Seal every nook and cranny you can. Maybe 2 or 3 coats. Everything is gravy on my end. Yep seeds only for a long while for me.

bongorilla · Jul 21, 2011

altimood said:
Yes on venting my room. I grew up in Solano County and I have a sibling in Sonoma County. You're talking about vineyard phylloxera, right? I'd love to see some pics if you could hook em up just to see the physical differences. I bet there's all kind of phylloxera in the US.

Heres a poor quality pic of one of the fliers I found back in may/june when I found them at the tail end in the last week of flower on a grow.

After spending hours of studying this, I began to study the history of my area and phylloxera and read a lot of stories about how they are a big problem in CA. I ran across a graph that blue highlighted all the phylloxerated counties in nor cal and that was most. (I didn't book mark that though, I must have been tired. If I run across it again I'll link it up if I get to it. Might have came from the dept. of agriculture.)

After doing all this reading and studying and learning the local history, I just assume now that it's native.

Heres what baffled me on this bug, I found it in the last week of flower for the first time in may/june and treated that with organic methods just to make it through to the end, then harvested..

Then, COMPLETELY tore down the room and ripped it all apart including the ac and dehui and sanitized it heavily to get it ready for the next crop.

The next crop was fully treated with merit 75 (more than once and floliared too) as well as some triazicide dunks all through the veg cycle. I thought there was no way there could possibly be ANY bugs.

I flowered out the replacement crop that was THRIVING on day 1~ 12/12, so I thought (sealed room btw). And, I even gave them 1 last just in case shot of merit.

About a week to 10 days later I began to see def, so I flushed and adjusted nutes to no avail. The plants then began to deteriorate rapidly. I checked the roots and finally found some microscopic bugs that look exactly like phylloxera from all the charts I've seen.

These dropped the entire grow by that time, there was no recovery the damage was too extensive and irreversible, not worth taking to the end imo.

They never did produce any fliers, nor any "tank beetles" but remained microscopic and destructive enough to pretty much kill the plants in a short time. Maybe they never made it to the 5th molt where they grow wings? IDK.

anyway, heres a link to 4 videos of footage of this bug,

http://www.youtube.com/user/bongorilla666?feature=mhee

I got my Met in stock now and will be doing my first transplant soon.

altimood · Jul 21, 2011

cemchris said:
Altimood and onespark. Thanks for being the testers as I gave up. Shut down my grow for about 8 months or close to it. Back up seems to be good. One suggestion I have is after you clean the rooms through repaint! Seal every nook and cranny you can. Maybe 2 or 3 coats. Everything is gravy on my end. Yep seeds only for a long while for me.

Thx for the support bruddah!:passingjoint:

Chronic Monster · Jul 21, 2011

those vids are nuts Bongrilla.. damn how the fuck did they survive all that. these things are like cockroaches of pot

altimood · Jul 21, 2011

bongorilla said:
Heres a poor quality pic of one of the fliers I found back in may/june when I found them at the tail end in the last week of flower on a grow.

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After spending hours of studying this, I began to study the history of my area and phylloxera and read a lot of stories about how they are a big problem in CA. I ran across a graph that blue highlighted all the phylloxerated counties in nor cal and that was most. (I didn't book mark that though, I must have been tired. If I run across it again I'll link it up if I get to it. Might have came from the dept. of agriculture.)

After doing all this reading and studying and learning the local history, I just assume now that it's native.

Heres what baffled me on this bug, I found it in the last week of flower for the first time in may/june and treated that with organic methods just to make it through to the end, then harvested..

Then, COMPLETELY tore down the room and ripped it all apart including the ac and dehui and sanitized it heavily to get it ready for the next crop.

The next crop was fully treated with merit 75 (more than once and floliared too) as well as some triazicide dunks all through the veg cycle. I thought there was no way there could possibly be ANY bugs.

I flowered out the replacement crop that was THRIVING on day 1~ 12/12, so I thought (sealed room btw). And, I even gave them 1 last just in case shot of merit.

About a week to 10 days later I began to see def, so I flushed and adjusted nutes to no avail. The plants then began to deteriorate rapidly. I checked the roots and finally found some microscopic bugs that look exactly like phylloxera from all the charts I've seen.

These dropped the entire grow by that time, there was no recovery the damage was too extensive and irreversible, not worth taking to the end imo.

They never did produce any fliers, nor any "tank beetles" but remained microscopic and destructive enough to pretty much kill the plants in a short time. Maybe they never made it to the 5th molt where they grow wings? IDK.

anyway, heres a link to 4 videos of footage of this bug,

http://www.youtube.com/user/bongorilla666?feature=mhee

I got my Met in stock now and will be doing my first transplant soon.

Jesus. I'm speechless. Keep us posted on that next run for sure. That picture is crazy. Its the Incredible Hulk of root aphids. Looks mean. We have red bubble butt high altitude phylloxera. Its crazy how different the look. Good luck Bongorilla and thanks for that pic. Transparent Phylloxera!?! Insane videos! That's CRAZY with the see through root aphids! JEEZUS!

Dorje · Jul 22, 2011

bongorilla said:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bongorilla666?feature=mhee

Holy Shit!!!

I am scared.

green punk · Jul 22, 2011

Those in your video look just like the ones i found on newly rooted cuts in my cloner. I had taken the cuttings of an infested plant. But took the cuttings to a different floor in an area that has no plants. I wonder if they were eggs layed on the leaves. There were no crawlers or fliers visually apparent when i took the cuts. The plants had been hit w evergreen. I thought things were looking up then found them on the new roots.

All that. I still believe these ones i have are cali in orgin. Came in on a cut from the bay. They are clear (tiny), clear/greenish (small), apple red (medium), black (tanks), and winged.

None look like the one in that pic. That looks like a gnat X aphid.

This is so wild how we are all experiencing this in so many different locals.
Some are saying native. Maybe... What if they're like locusts or cicadas. And bloom every X years.

Could it be the MAN?

Keep up the fight, you guys are making dope growing history. Thank you!

Good Luck, Grow hard

eyecandi · Jul 22, 2011

with how devastating these little f'ers are, I wonder if they weren't modified and introduced by the gov? if I remember correctly, they modified and released a strain a PM that is particularly effective against cannabis. certainly wouldn't suprise me

altimood · Jul 22, 2011

Yo Bongorilla-

I'm thinking that flier you posted is in fact a fungus gnat. Here's a comparison:

Whatcha think? Yours looks well fed.:happy

altimood · Jul 22, 2011

eyecandi said:
with how devastating these little f'ers are, I wonder if they weren't modified and introduced by the gov? if I remember correctly, they modified and released a strain a PM that is particularly effective against cannabis. certainly wouldn't suprise me

Highly likely. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Chronic Monster · Jul 22, 2011

hope nobody minds a cross post from me, just trying to get some feedback:) I posted this in lil miss lones thread as well. :joint:

Chronic Monster said:
BTW, I just came across this, its pretty interesting, from the university of Arkansas.
It mentions kaolin clay is a natural repellent, so I found this product called Australian versarock which is a hydroponic medium made from kaolin clay.
It also lists a couple insecticides I didn't see mentioned(or they may have been and I missed it)

altimood · Jul 22, 2011

In the news:

The war on Root Aphids continues today as Altimood comes across two ugly Blackwater clones while transplanting...

This occurred 48 hours after using IMID. Upon further inspection of the root zone, a graveyard of RA's was discovered.

One disgruntled half alive Root Aphid decided to challenge Altimood to a stare off contest:

He was apparently angered by the recent death of his cousin.

Chronic Monster · Jul 22, 2011

LOL great photos man

Dorje · Jul 22, 2011

For those who want to use IMID:

http://doyourownpestcontrol.com/dominion2L-insecticide-termiticide.htm

Used for RA's, it'll make 1500 gal of root drench for under $50.

Dorje · Jul 22, 2011

Also, if you want to finish off a crop that has a RA infestation, I'd recommend severly reducing the amount of light you are giving them. They can't handle a lot of light when the roots are damaged and the buds will get all f-ed up unless you reduce the light intensity.

bongorilla · Jul 22, 2011

Thanks for the comps and the comments on the pics and vids guys, not much time to comment today, hella work to do!!

I got the met and some very healthy starters I am transplanting. No signs of ANY bugs.>>> Will be double checking everything under high magnification<<<

I am following the method used by Altimood using canna coco that has been tested for contamination by taking random handful samples and putting it in zip lock bags with water and no bugs have been detected in the medium as of yet. these samples will continue to be monitored for the presence of bugs via the brand new bagged medium.

So I have clean coco and clean starters of Krome's Blockhead, the White, Gorilla Grape, Urkle, and Chemdog #4. And seedlings of sour lifesaver and sour bubble.

Will update progress with pics. These are going into a sealed room with co2 no vents.

Temps and humidity and c02 levels will be everything one could want. All adjustable and turn key. The room is empty and being thoroughly sanitized and does contain all new equipment, free of contamination. Every single crack is sealed tight, the door is double sealed, and even the outlets are seam sealed as is the seam where the floor meets the walls. Will got pics of the environment later on, FRP flooring too.

I am staying away from beneficial bacteria on this round as I am unsure if it is compatible with met. I am not using any pesticides as they are not compatible with met., but I did Foliar and treat with spirotetramat earlier on.

Food will be canna ab.

This I HOPE will eradicate the presence of ANY phylloxera. Even though I have a tilted advantage with the environment, this should put the Met to a good test. Will update later as things progress.

Onespark · Jul 23, 2011

bongorilla said:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bongorilla666?feature=mhee

HOLY SH!T. ARE YOU KIDDING. FOR REAL> Thanks for sharing this important documentation. You have me shaking in my boots. I was just yammering about third mutation and you show me this! I am going to drink a russian river supplication and cry in it.

Then I look at your photos AM. Jeez. Jeez. Jeez.

Everyone talking about the gubbment and big corporate/pharma, I just don't say it cause our society is brainwashed. Speaking out is fine but most don't CARE. But yep there is some pro breeding at work in some of these bugs. I gotta catch up on this thread... Good to have you all here and acting as a think tank on the scourge. Thanks for all the great info and pics! WOW

Edit- Just read through everything and wanted to say thanks to you all again. The UAK article on grape pests is great. Kaolin clay? looking into that...

Who wants to kill some root aphids?

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