why does she look so ugly and buggered ?

[PuffinBlueClouds]

I have 4 plants in total and this is the only one that has done this. new growth is just nasty twisted and shocked looking.

I can provide info on everything else need be but i was just wandering if anyone recognises this by looking at it?

It seems pretty extreme. (to me)

thanks !

 

[Ninjadogma]

I have 4 plants in total and this is the only one that has done this. new growth is just nasty twisted and shocked looking.

I can provide info on everything else need be but i was just wandering if anyone recognises this by looking at it?

It seems pretty extreme. (to me)

thanks !

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My best guesses are hormone stress or high salt. Check EC and if high, bring it down to a safe level., because the problem was probably salt. If it looks okay, start supplenting with some seaweed extract. There's natural PGR's in it to help straighten things out, because the problem was probably hormones.

 

[PuffinBlueClouds]

My best guesses are hormone stress or high salt. Check EC and if high, bring it down to a safe level., because the problem was probably salt. If it looks okay, start supplenting with some seaweed extract. There's natural PGR's in it to help straighten things out, because the problem was probably hormones.

thanks man

coming to think of it , EC is not something i have gotten to yet, only my second grow and was not fully aware of it until long ago.

These are 11 days into Veg these were transplanted into these pots and fed 8 days ago, it has been so long since feeding because i thought i had overwatered them and this is what caused it, but now you mention EC, when i did that first feeding 8 days ago, there was white residue on the bucket i used to feed them afterwards, also white residue is on the pots and trays after just the first feed, theyre brand new pots and trays.

I think you may be onto something , it might be EC.

gonna sort it now and ill get back in a few days or so, thank you Ninja.

 

[Ninjadogma]

thanks man

coming to think of it , EC is not something i have gotten to yet, only my second grow and was not fully aware of it until long ago.

These are 11 days into Veg these were transplanted into these pots and fed 8 days ago, it has been so long since feeding because i thought i had overwatered them and this is what caused it, but now you mention EC, when i did that first feeding 8 days ago, there was white residue on the bucket i used to feed them afterwards, also white residue is on the pots and trays after just the first feed, theyre brand new pots and trays.

I think you may be onto something , it might be EC.

gonna sort it now and ill get back in a few days or so, thank you Ninja.

I usually only run into hormone issues when they're babies and throwing warbly leaves, or with monstered clones. Been fighting a couple Grape Pie monsters for months, they're finally coming out of it and growing. The problem can be both. High EC can trigger hormone stress. Sometimes when that happens you do the fix but the hormones will still rage for a little while, and ancillary care with seaweed extract and light humic/fulvic aid recovery. It's not a bad move if it's just an EC issue because it'll aid in soothing the salt damage too.

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

Check EC and if high, bring it down to a safe level.

Is this a soil grow?

Edit: Oops! I might've goofed on this one. I was thinking runoff EC, but you may have been referring to irrigation water EC.

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

I can provide info on everything else need be but I was just wandering if anyone recognises this by looking at it?

I've seen similar symptoms, but knowing the temperature, humidity, nutrients, watering schedule and anything else you care to share would be helpful.

What has me curious is how the plant started normally and then changed. It has me wondering if something happened. It reminds me of something I've seen when the temperature and humidity are too high.

 

[PuffinBlueClouds]

I've seen similar symptoms, but knowing the temperature, humidity, nutrients, watering schedule and anything else you care to share would be helpful.

What has me curious is how the plant started normally and then changed. It has me wondering if something happened. It reminds me of something I've seen when the temperature and humidity are too high.

Coco perlite
temp - 24C
RH - 55-60%
Advanced nutrients full line

I don't really have a watering schedule, this is something i need to learn more on.

I just fed them to get some run off to check

PH in = 5.8
EC in = 1.0

this is the results of the OUT, could this cause it?

PLANT A - PH - 5.24 - EC - 3.9

PLANT B - PH - 5.5 - EC - 2.7 Plant in picture.

PLANT C - PH - 5.3 - EC - 3.7

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

could this cause it?

The numbers look good, AFAIK. I'm not a coir grower, though. I do know that coir needs to be watered often, usually daily IIRC.

 

[stanknkatz]

What LoveGrowingIt said. Coco likes to stay wet. I think the answers you're looking for can be found here:

https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/toc/fertigatearts/

Lots of really good info for growing in coco on that site. I wish it had been around back in 2005 when I started using coco.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Is this a soil grow?

Edit: Oops! I might've goofed on this one. I was thinking runoff EC, but you may have been referring to irrigation water EC.

Doesn't matter really except how you check and remedy, EC is toxic at high levels. And the heart of the remedy is the same, dilute with water. Even normal feedings you want to keep an eye on things because as you get your dryback going, the nutrient concentration is climbing.

 

[Grownsince95]

Broad mites. Fresh in my mind from a recent destruction... looks identical.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Broad mites. Fresh in my mind from a recent destruction... looks identical.

Wouldn't rule that out for sure, worth a close inspection but I'm still leaning toward an EC/hormone stress combo.

Let's cross our fingers you're wrong.

@PuffinBlueClouds - check the underside of leaves with a 60x jewelers loupe, watch for things that look like eggs or translucent dots slowly moving around. The amount of damage showing, they would probably be visible under magnification.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Coco perlite
temp - 24C
RH - 55-60%
Advanced nutrients full line

I don't really have a watering schedule, this is something i need to learn more on.

I just fed them to get some run off to check

PH in = 5.8
EC in = 1.0

this is the results of the OUT, could this cause it?

PLANT A - PH - 5.24 - EC - 3.9

PLANT B - PH - 5.5 - EC - 2.7 Plant in picture.

PLANT C - PH - 5.3 - EC - 3.7

This is good data. Notice you're putting in 5.8 and your numbers a come back lower. So this tells you you have downward creep and it is out of range when it's that low. So knowing this, you can start with a higher number input and focus on landing on a healthier number at least 5.8.

The other thing we see is your EC climbing in the medium, and that happens as the water in the medium evaporates, making it more concentrated. You mentioned not having a watering schedule... This indicates to me that you're giving your medium drybacks and you don't want to do that if your medium is coco/perlite. The roots do need air, but coir should always be moist. More frequent waterings should keep it from climbing on you.

3.7 and 3.8 are potentially toxic, and 2.7 is an extremely high number you should only be hitting at a certain phase during flowering.

 

[Ninjadogma]

This is good data. Notice you're putting in 5.8 and your numbers a come back lower. So this tells you you have downward creep and it is out of range when it's that low. So knowing this, you can start with a higher number input and focus on landing on a healthier number at least 5.8.

The other thing we see is your EC climbing in the medium, and that happens as the water in the medium evaporates, making it more concentrated. You mentioned not having a watering schedule... This indicates to me that you're giving your medium drybacks and you don't want to do that if your medium is coco/perlite. The roots do need air, but coir should always be moist. More frequent waterings should keep it from climbing on you.

3.7 and 3.8 are potentially toxic, and 2.7 is an extremely high number you should only be hitting at a certain phase during flowering.

And BTW yeah, those numbers definitely explain why your plant is looking like it is, and at least one other is about to start going there unless you fix it. When you rehydrate, don't stop pouring until the runoff numbers look good. Then you can get back on track by keeping it properly hydrated. There will be some recovery time, a couple weeks before new growth coming in looks normal. Shouldn't ruin the grow, just a setback and hopefully that's not an auto you lost valuable time with.

 

[amneziaHaze]

 

[PuffinBlueClouds]

And BTW yeah, those numbers definitely explain why your plant is looking like it is, and at least one other is about to start going there unless you fix it. When you rehydrate, don't stop pouring until the runoff numbers look good. Then you can get back on track by keeping it properly hydrated. There will be some recovery time, a couple weeks before new growth coming in looks normal. Shouldn't ruin the grow, just a setback and hopefully that's not an auto you lost valuable time with.

thanks for the help man.

So you think i should feed constantly now until the run off is more in line with 5.8 PH and 1.0 EC?

Im scared to overwater them then haha guessing it will be ok with it being coco?

 

[stanknkatz]

thanks for the help man.

So you think i should feed constantly now until the run off is more in line with 5.8 PH and 1.0 EC?

Im scared to overwater them then haha guessing it will be ok with it being coco?

It's almost impossible to overwater in coco. I think @Ninjadogma is saying (and I agree) to flush them with str8 ph'd water until you start getting some ec levels that aren't insanely high, then go back to fertigating at least 2x daily. Your in big pots for such small plants, which is why I recommend up-potting gradually in coco. If you're in 5 gal pots you may need to run as much as about 15 gals of ph'd water thru them all at one shot. I've been there done that, just put them in the laundry room sink and pour thru.

Seriously, do some reading on that link I posted. Coco likes to stay wet. I know it seems wrong, but it's not. Also, if you're not using cal/mag, you may want to research that as well.

 

[Ninjadogma]

It's almost impossible to overwater in coco. I think @Ninjadogma is saying (and I agree) to flush them with str8 ph'd water until you start getting some ec levels that aren't insanely high, then go back to fertigating at least 2x daily. Your in big pots for such small plants, which is why I recommend up-potting gradually in coco. If you're in 5 gal pots you may need to run as much as about 15 gals of ph'd water thru them all at one shot. I've been there done that, just put them in the laundry room sink and pour thru.

Seriously, do some reading on that link I posted. Coco likes to stay wet. I know it seems wrong, but it's not. Also, if you're not using cal/mag, you may want to research that as well.

Coco Coir isn't soil, it's holding space for the plant. It provides latticing for the roots to spread out and absorb the nutrient rich water you feed it. When the water starts to evaporate, the nutrient concentration begins to climb, worse than it does in soil because there's nothing to buffer it. it's a great medium, lots more control over everything than soil but too much work watering all the time. Through the winter cold I'm only having to water plants in dirt about once a week. If I were to do coco I'd set up some drip feeding to cut the babysitting time.