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I'm not a scientist but it doesn't sound like too much of a stretch that ingredients with acid in their title might be harmful to microbial life.I call BS.
Down contains phosphoric acid, citric acid, and mono ammonium phosphate
Up contains potassium carbonate and potassium sillicate
Not to be snarky, but you need to use acid and base to change PH. No matter what you put in there, that is the bottom line.I'm not a scientist but it doesn't sound like too much of a stretch that ingredients with acid in their title might be harmful to microbial life.
Like I said it's important to adjust ph prior to adding beneficials, even allowing for the anticipated drift you might incur with something like recharge or the like.Not to be snarky, but you need to use acid and base to change PH. No matter what you put in there, that is the bottom line.
To say that phosphoric acid from one company is less damaging that that from another seems a stretch to me.
If every time you use a PH up or down product to change PH in a fish tank and it has to then recycle the whole tank, there would not be an aquarium industry.
Not so concentrated means you are paying for water weight.I like Mad Farmer PH Down because it's not so concentrated which I think reduces the shock to the bennies but it's always a good idea to ph before adding more.
Urea feeds some bennies. It's basically pee or more commonly called ammonia/ammonium .This is the video:
He says GH PH down contains something called “urea” I think?
He says that’s what kills off the bennies and that’s why he uses Nectar From The Gods PH down.
Which I know is an awesome product line, I just don’t know how thick their PH down is and whether it can be used in hydro or not.
I know the rest of the Nectar line cannot be used for the most part.
Looking at the npk value they sure work hard to keep the acid used secret... but it looks to be phosphoric acid. I really hate these nutrient companies and thier BS marketing. That pretty much every company... not being bias against NOTG.Well I'm glad to hear others chime in to give clarity to this.
I will be doing DWC, so bennies will get replenished weekly during water changes.
I plan on using Great White.
I am also highly considering using Nectar From the Gods PH down as a more natural PH down.
It seems to be very clear & watery and should easily mix well in DWC and shouldn't be an issue. Unlike their PH Up, which is a much thicker white liquid.
But it's still good to know GH PH up & down won't kill off the bennies.
Citric acid in hydro is an absolute no go... it reacts with bicarbonate to for carbonic acid and off gasses as co2 very quickly. Imo the only use for it is to ph adjust nutrients while mixing for soil grows.Hmm interesting. I know NFTG is usually one of the better companies when it comes to quality, honesty & integrity.
However, that doesn't mean them using phosphoric acid is a bad thing.
I guess GH PH down isn't that much worse with citric acid and mono ammonium phosphate I guess? I know what citric acid is, mono not so familiar with.
It won't kill your bennies... bennies are very sensitive to ph. It's not the acid or alkaline elements that hurts them its the PH they create and that's why we PH to begin with to create a good ph value for the plants and microbes.
Both should be diluted before adding but in all honesty these bennies repopulate very very quickly depending on temps, ph, salinity and food source they can double in population less 30 minutes depending on species and only have a life span of like 15 min to 40ish hours. They are constantly repopulating.
Here again is a case of an idiot making claims on a video without fully understanding the totality of it causing confusion and chaos. Wondering if he works at a hydro store.
Yep... many read the magical bottles of unicorn piss and regurgitate.... having no idea of the truth.The worst advice I have ever gotten on cannabis cultivation is from hydro shop employees/owners.
Hmm interesting.Citric acid in hydro is an absolute no go... it reacts with bicarbonate to for carbonic acid and off gasses as co2 very quickly. Imo the only use for it is to ph adjust nutrients while mixing for soil grows.
Mono ammonium phosphate is just a salt based phosphorus and ammonium (nitrogen)
I think I may start a thread someday soon on how the organic industry is marketing BS using minimal truth to charge maximum prices.
I'm not by any means saying it's bad but it's not what it says it is and many do not understand the differences.
Plain and simple... plants do NOT take up nutrients in organic form... its just impossible.
Sulfuric and phosphoric will give you the most stability if you have a proper buffer (alkalinity)Hmm interesting.
So what is the preferred PH that doesn't contain citric acid and is safe/better to use for DWC?
Should I just go with the Nectar From the Gods PH down since it's probably just phosphoric acid as you've suggested?
What about PH up? I don't think NFTG PH up is a good option for DWC.
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