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xX Kid Twist Xx

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Could it be that there are so many homeless vets because of ptsd?
All respect to your family members Twist but I want to take issue with the statement about the military being in a country on the other side of the world defending my/our right to carry signs and protest. I will protect my own first amendment rights with my second amendment rights thank you very much. Please explain to my ignorant ass how the fuck this works. I didn't ask anybody to go and get their shit scattered and wrote 100s of e-mails to try to stop it from happening in the first place. You can say what you want to me at any time without military action. I mean no offense whatsoever.

So you think every homeless vet has ptsd? How many vets that you knew before and after are homeless? that's what im saying i never met anyone that went in the military and is now homeless. I'm not saying it doesn't happen at all and im not saying ptsd does not exist. I know its real and i cant imagine how hard it must be to live your life after such traumatic events as war. I'm just asking out of all of them do you think everyone is because of this?

No one said you did ask anyone to do anything, that comment wasn't directed at you im pretty sure you can figure out that was a back and forth between me j-fly and green thumb bill. I'm also pretty sure your singling out 1 post and 1 response to a whole thread that takes on various topics. you dotn seem to be to offended that they called me ignorant or a coward or my brother a baby killer. Or in one sentence they are referred to as poor war vets and in the very next line they are brainwashed flag suckers or baby killers? I mean come on keep it real. Go back 5 or 6 pages and read what led to my comment that offended you, don't just take one line out of context.
 
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Could it be that there are so many homeless vets because of ptsd?
All respect to your family members Twist but I want to take issue with the statement about the military being in a country on the other side of the world defending my/our right to carry signs and protest. I will protect my own first amendment rights with my second amendment rights thank you very much. Please explain to my ignorant ass how the fuck this works. I didn't ask anybody to go and get their shit scattered and wrote 100s of e-mails to try to stop it from happening in the first place. You can say what you want to me at any time without military action. I mean no offense whatsoever.

I see it quite the opposite. The military is out looting and pillaging for oil and poppy, while the occupy wall st movement is here at home defending our rights , which are being taken away by our government.
 
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So you think every homeless vet has ptsd?

He never said "every." I explained to you the other reasons in my last response. The number 1 reason is because the government doesnt care about its soldiers, they are dead the minute they enlist, and they care even less about the average citizen. The economy sucks and being a soldier isnt the greatest career, or resume. I worked at a restaurant as a GM and I wouldnt hire military people, just because they always sketched me out.
 
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Kid Twist,
I really didn't mean any disrespect. I would NEVER call a serviceman Baby killer. Furthermore I don't see how a sane person can come home from an experience like combat without having scars on their psyche. I'm old enough to have friends that were in Viet Nam, one of which was an actual "Baby Killer". We were good enough friends for him to tell me some of the ugly things that he felt he had to do to get his charges home alive. He is one of my heroes in life.Talk about PTSD I saw him freak out when the telephone wireman showed up to wire the house we were working on. Just because the guy was Asian. We sat in my truck and smoked a fatty until dude left My other point was that in the last 40 years of my life, the only real threat to my freedom comes from my govt. that I pay to persecute me and slowly chip away at my personal freedom.
I think everyone on this forum understands what I am talking about(DEA)
Again, I was not trying to be disrespectful but I would love to be able to understand the common sound byte"They are over there fighting for your rights"
Peace.
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xX Kid Twist Xx

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Kid Twist,
I really didn't mean any disrespect. I would NEVER call a serviceman Baby killer. Furthermore I don't see how a sane person can come home from an experience like combat without having scars on their psyche. I'm old enough to have friends that were in Viet Nam, one of which was an actual "Baby Killer". We were good enough friends for him to tell me some of the ugly things that he felt he had to do to get his charges home alive. He is one of my heroes in life.Talk about PTSD I saw him freak out when the telephone wireman showed up to wire the house we were working on. Just because the guy was Asian. We sat in my truck and smoked a fatty until dude left My other point was that in the last 40 years of my life, the only real threat to my freedom comes from my govt. that I pay to persecute me and slowly chip away at my personal freedom.
I think everyone on this forum understands what I am talking about(DEA)
Again, I was not trying to be disrespectful but I would love to be able to understand the common sound byte"They are over there fighting for your rights"
Peace.
Ace

no disrespect taken buddy i appreciate the conversation. as for the term fighting for our freedom its more so that these troops are ready to be deployed at any moment for our freedom at least that's what i believe. Some of these Muslim fundamentalist's want to see every infidel killed not just the ones in Iraq.
 
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you got to ask yourself why these vets are homeless? do you think its because they didn't have a chance or is it something else. im not saying all these case are bogus but i bet soem are drug addicts. I'm not knocking any war vet though, im just wondering how they became homeless i guess?

I like kidtwist am from the east coast and one of the biggest cities population wise - well i moved to a few miles away to another city in 96 - actually i can get back to my old house in 30 mins- and now have the luxury of paying 12k+ in real estate taxes for the luxury of keeping my family from the city path that i followed as a child, I have only been to Denver once for a football game and what i took from my visit to Denver besides an eagle loss was the astonishing number of homeless people, I have traveled to numerous cities in my 42 years but never have i seen so many homeless people they were literally everywhere, so sad - but regardless of the situation - this is still the greatest county in the world - never ever take freedom for granted, yes alot of things are fucked up - but i never had to worry about a bomb falling on my head going to the store........ wow this thread sure made the moderater's work - peace abd freedom to all..............
 
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Got crazy down there today. March was fun. After the march is when it got a little crazy. Cops showed up with their toys, and they are down there now beating and arresting people. I left just as the madness was starting. We need more people marching.
 
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Police Move In On Occupy Encampments
by THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

text size A A A October 30, 2011
Authorities moved into an encampment of Occupy Wall Street supporters in Denver, Colo., Saturday evening and began arresting demonstrators just hours after a standoff near the steps of the Colorado Capitol turned into a skirmish that ended in police force, including pepper spray and reports of rubber bullets.

Officers in riot gear headed into a downtown park where protesters had established several tents, cracking down against demonstrators who ignored repeated orders to leave the area. About 10 to 20 tents had been set up after police knocked down two tents earlier in the day, according to the Denver Post.

Denver police spokesman Matt Murray said 15 people were arrested.

The action followed a tense afternoon standoff between protesters and authorities near the Capitol that escalated after about 2,000 marchers made their way toward the building and a small surge of demonstrators tried to advance up the steps.

About eight officers scuffled with a group of protesters and police confirmed that they used pepper spray and pepper balls to break up the crowd. A protester told the paper at the time that police used rubber bullets.

Murray said protesters kicked police and knocked one officer off his motorcycle. He said five protesters were arrested, including two for assault and one for disobedience.

He said some demonstrators had received medical treatment on the scene, but no one had been taken to a hospital. There were no reports of injured officers.

Mike Korzen, 25, said he was among the protesters whom police dispersed with rubber bullets and pepper spray.

"I was standing there with my hands behind my back," Korzen said, using a water bottle to wash pepper spray from his eyes this afternoon.

Police arrested about 30 demonstrators early Sunday with the Occupy Portland movement in Oregon after they refused to leave a park in an affluent district after a midnight curfew.

Police pulled vans up to a group of about 27-30 protesters sitting in a circle at Jamison Square and began arresting them one-by-one.

An Associated Press photographer says most of the protesters went limp and police carried or dragged them away. There was no violence during the 90-minute period of arrests.

The protesters — all appearing to be in their 20s and 30s — were handcuffed before they were driven off. One continued to chant "we are the 99 percent."

Dozens of other protesters remained on the edges of the park in a show of support, but the crowd thinned out around 3:30 a.m. as the last arrests were made.
 
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99% is right. Power To The People! Where's the Black Panthers? :)

heres some pics form Denver:
 
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All farmers must do this now!


Here is a way to fuck with them.
Another use for Eagle 20[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlxbKtBkGM&sns=fb[/YOUTUBE]
 
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POST #420!! Have to Make It Count!

I've read parts of this thread and arising from the din, some few points seem to stand out that I felt the need to comment on:

1. It is clear that the Occupy Wall Street protesters have hit a nerve in the common consciousness. The Tea Party never came close to this kind of widespread passion. Maybe it's because the tea party is just more of the same that got Amerika into this mess?

2. Let it be known that I volunteered for the Army at 18- and was denied, due to eyesight. I now have LASIK. I have a lot of respect for those who volunteer to enlist, whatever their reasons. The people I have less respect for are those who would order those enlistees into fights without making damned sure that the cause is worth the lives risked and lost. No matter how 'sketchy', a veteran, homeless or not, always has a friend here.

3. I hear all the time how Amerika is 'the greatest nation anywhere, rah rah rah!!!' I call BULLSHIT! We've got to pull our heads out of our asses and get to work. Human rights? We're way behind, and with the prison industrial complex spending millions to find ways to lock up more citizens, we're falling behind ever faster. Environment? Puh-lease! Politics? When Corporations have more civil rights than living, breathing US citizens, I'd say we have some catching up to do. We CAN be the greatest nation on Earth, but we just aren't right now. Time get up, dust ourselves off and roll up our sleeves, just like our grandparents did. They're not the 'greatest generation' for nothing.

4. We HAVE been here before. The crash of October 1929 ushered in a Great Depression, not unlike the one we're suffering through right now. Don't believe me? Then why are housing values down more now than then? Why is the percentage of foreclosures to ownership higher now than then? Why is the income disparity between the 1% and the rest of us still MORE NOW THAN THEN??

5. Revolution is not the answer. That's chaos, and unlike most of you I have lived in a war zone, and chaos is not pretty. On the other hand, if peaceful protest doesn't work- and these things take time, so give 'em a chance- then perhaps it's time to call for America's first Constitutional Convention, and for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, check out the women's rights movement of 20 years ago- the states very nearly held one over that issue.

6. Peaceful protest DOES work. Want an example? Ghandi's revolution that brought India out from under the boot of British rule. Martin Luther King, Jr's. movement was peaceful- it was the cops and splinter groups that weren't. Any thug can start a riot- it's when the people come together and protest without breaking shit and hurting people that the powers that be are forced to listen.

7. If you want change, be sure you know what change you want. I haven't heard a lot of policy papers form the OWS crowd, but I have one that makes sense: no more money from corporations in politics. Period. Not one penny, on pain of losing their corporate charter. Politics are for PEOPLE, not faceless megacorps- or the lobbying organisations their millions pay for. That goes for labor unions, too. Only individuals may contribute to political campaigns, and then it must be a small amount, accessible to anyone, like $10.

8. Legislating morality is an idea that's been dead for much longer than any of us have been alive. You mean if we create a law against something, people will suddenly stop doing it? Please... This is another obvious stand we must take against the left AND right wing zealots both here in this country, and abroad.

9. Our Federal Government has to be brought to heel. Dwight Eisenhower's farewell speech warned of the dangers of the 'military industrial complex' as a threat to democracy, but he was only half right. It's the OWNERS of those defense companies, along with the rest of the Fortune 1000, that are the real threats to democracy. We must find ways to stop them from using the Federal Government's power to abridge and deny our human and constitutional rights.

10. Ladies and Gentlemen, the definition of fascism is a free market economy run without regard to individual rights of citizens by a corrupt or totalitarian government. Sound familiar? Until we citizens recognize that our democracy has been undermined, until we see what's become of the American Experiment (Jefferson's words, not mine), we will continue to allow it to destroy ourselves, our country, our planet and our children's future.

Like it or not, you, dear reader, and I are on the front lines of this conflict. Simply because you're on this forum, reading this, you're already in the middle and no longer on the sidelines. Time to to choose; victim or activist? You don't need to march on the financial district of your town to be involved, everyone can contribute. I'm here doing what I do because I believe in the rightness of my cause, and I have already paid dearly in terms of criminal penalties, lost opportunities, fines and much more. I will keep doing it because what I am doing is the right thing to do.

Where do you stand?

Peace, and 420.
 
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ttystikk, I cannot disagree with even one word you wrote. #3 is so true. I find it that amerikan exceptionalism has allowed a lot of the shit to go down. I'm heading to the post office right now. Then I have to get some Eagle -20. Just kidding but not really. I knew a guy that worked for the post office and he said that they will deliver a box that weighs up to 70# with the business reply envelope. Just tape it on the box and send 69# of dirt
and they will have to pay the bill. Don't send good dirt. Send some rank sterile colorado dirt from the south side of some barren hill. Good times
Ace
 
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hilarious.
Thanks for that post as I will immediately be implementing this practice in my household. As will my neighbors because I am going to lobby them to do so as well. I love it. I get tons of that shit in my mailbox daily.
 
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"What if"

Kid Twist, where were you in 2008? I guess you missed it so I'll fill you in. Google "Wall St., financial collapse 2008".

It seems you've missed the point entirely. We do not have the capitalism that is taught in school in this country. We don't have capitalism or socialism, we have the worst of both: Crony Capitalism and Corporate Socialism. Americans don't have a problem with the rich, we admire them and aspire to their achievements. What we have a problem with is fraud and corruption, cheating, a rigged game, and a government that is sold to the highest donor. Where corporations write the laws that govern their industries and when they effectively regulate the regulators. The massive growing economic disparity between the ultra-wealthy and everyone is not the problem as much as it is the symptom.
 
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The speech was good except for the mention of "democracy." Democracy is Latin for a "mob rule." This country was founded as a "Republic" where each individual had his or her own rights. We were sold out and forced into democracy which means 51% rules over the minority. THAT is NOT freedom.
 

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