Bag Seed Hunting & The Lst Adventure

[nazarbattu]

* The idea that many people use stakes on their plants. Why is this? Training should create thick strong/sturdy branches capable of supporting their own weight. *

My buds get so heavy towards the end of flower they start to lean over and i've seen people where it leaned far enough sideways the branch snapped at the joint. I put in bamboo steaks and use some plastic twine to create a tomato cage that's adjustable just to prevent that from happening, sometimes it's needed sometimes it's not but i like to have the security there.
I do that on my hydro buckets too, Beats the hell out of yoyo's from the ceiling holding up the fat ones. :) Nice garden you got here man.

From what I have observed in my own experience is, with low yielders, I would stake or screenogreen them, to trick them to growing bigger flowers as if they naturally had the skeleton/branching/stem to support them...I would say it's a form of channelling energy especially if coupled with specific feeding...
My two pennies, not that it's needed at all, just contributing to the subject matter. Peace

 

[PNW Grower]

I tie them down to make them branch out and force all the side buds to turn into tops then i use the bamboo steaks with the plastic twine to help hold them up as they fatten. Mainly just to it to increase yield, Like a scrog net with no net because i have to be able to move my plants and rotate them. I don't really knock anyone's ways they do it because my ways work great for me but because of conditions in various grow rooms there's pretty much no two the same. What's perfect for me i almost guarantee me won't be for anyone else because they're not in my grow room. Always listen to peoples ways and implament what i can. Yes i'm very baked lol.

 

[rmoltis]

My two pennies, not that it's needed at all.

This is a place for open discussions on these things.

Your opinions are always welcome guys.

Just remember I have an opinion too :D. And they don't have to be the same.

The world is a diverse place. That is what makes it great.

 

[rmoltis]

Clones are doing good. Keep in mind those yellow twisted leaves are from cloning/transplant. The mainlining training utilised the 2nd set of leaves. Which means I had to trim the most healthy and vigorous new growth. But hey that's part of the training. All new growth is green healthy and unburnt.

I'm still working on keeping them squat. Especially since they have 5 weeks & 5 days to go b4 flowering chamber hits 8 weeks.

Big bagseed #1 now has 8 tops (I'm trying no bondage method until the stems get long enough).

Big bagseed #2 now has 4 tops.

SDXQ #2 has now 2 tops.

 

[rmoltis]

The ladies in the flowering chamber seemed to have finished their stretch. I'm sure there will be very small stretching from here on out.

Tallest is 23"
2nd tallest is 22.5"
Smallest is 21"
That's means on the minimum side they all tripled in size (from the day they started stretching(14/10 photoperiod) at 7". 2 days later they were switched to 12/12 @9-10".

Flowering period was initiated the day after switched to 14/10 as indicated by the stretching the next day at double the rate it was in veg before transition.

So I think I will have plenty of room :)

The major onset of flowering is beginning. Flowering sites are fattening up day by day.

Big bagseed #1 seems to have white pistils with a pink hue to them.

It is the only 1 exhibiting this trait.

 

[rmoltis]

Since my male isolation chamber is empty. I took the (2) 2700k led bulbs making 3200 lumens total(1600 each) @17watts each. I installed them in the 2 open tent corners aimed at the canopy.

If the mh produces 29,000 lumens and I'm adding 3200 lumens. That is a light increase of %11.03.

I figured since I'm using mh throughout flower. That having a bit more red created with minimal heat production would be ideal. Having a mixed spectrum should give me a nice healthy crop.

I waited until the stretch was over to introduce them. I didn't need these ladies stretching any further.

This pic isn't amazing but a clip on light reflector you can see through the cooltube & the other one is closer to the camera.
The cooltube is not crooked either. It is just the camera angle.

 

[rmoltis]

Ladies are doing great.
Gave them a feeding. Then added my gallon of water to the 13 oz of leftover nutrients for the next watering.

The last couple feedings have been 2 days apart instead of 3. The amount of feed & water have gone up from 24oz to 28 oz. These ladies are very thirsty it seems.

I have used some pipe cleaners to gently space the cola's evenly apart for better canopy light coverage+penetration.

I also did a light defoliation of all the lower flower sites seeming to go nowhere. It should help redirect some energy upwards.

From what im seeing early on. The bagseed #1 is developing nice looking flowers hopefully they look more picture worthy on Sunday.

No pictures until Sunday guys you gotta wait :)

 

[incogneato]

Ladies are doing great.
Gave them a feeding. Then added my gallon of water to the 13 oz of leftover nutrients for the next watering.

The last couple feedings have been 2 days apart instead of 3. The amount of feed & water have gone up from 24oz to 28 oz. These ladies are very thirsty it seems.

I have used some pipe cleaners to gently space the cola's evenly apart for better canopy light coverage+penetration.

I also did a light defoliation of all the lower flower sites seeming to go nowhere. It should help redirect some energy upwards.

From what im seeing early on. The bagseed #1 is developing nice looking flowers hopefully they look more picture worthy on Sunday.

No pictures until Sunday guys you gotta wait :)

Haha, leave em wanting more.

 

[rmoltis]

Update in clone town.

So far they are doing great. Staying nice and short. I'm still not sure if I can keep them short enough until flower. But I will try. 5 weeks 1 day left until the 8 week mark in the flower chamber.

Big bagseed #1 has 8 tops and is only 3.5" tall. She has a great structure for mainlining. Both the clone and it's mother seem to grow pretty even main branches.

 

[rmoltis]

Today I was checking out different t5 bulb colors +info via bulb pdf brochures on each one.

And I decided to get 8 new bulbs for my 8 bulb t5 fixture. I went with all 1 brand type so there would be an engineered spectrum spread based on their products, designs and engineers etc.

Sticking with all 1 brand when ordering certain systems is a good idea.

I'm getting 2 of the 3000k bulbs

https://a89b8e4143ca50438f09-7c1706...13/255/original/ge-46699-specs.pdf?1440210929

2 of the 4100k bulbs

https://a89b8e4143ca50438f09-7c1706...13/257/original/ge-46701-specs.pdf?1440210933

2 of the 5000k bulbs.

https://a89b8e4143ca50438f09-7c1706...13/258/original/ge-46702-specs.pdf?1440210935

2 of the 6500k bulbs.

https://a89b8e4143ca50438f09-7c1706...13/259/original/ge-46703-specs.pdf?1440210936

In total it was $39 for all 8 bulbs.

The mixed spectrum should be great for the ladies. I plan on running them in this order in the lamp.

The fixture has 2 power switches for 4 bulbs ea. 1 switch turns on the outside 2 on each side. 1 switch turns on the center 4.

Either way I will get a mix of 1-2-3-4. And still keep the spectrum spread out.

 

[rmoltis]

Today is end of week 3 flower.

Big bagseed#2

SDXQ #2

SDXQ #1

Big bagseed #1

Everything is looking and smelling great. Sucks I have 5 weeks+? Left to wait.

 

[Moto]

Today is end of week 3 flower.

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Big bagseed#2
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SDXQ #2
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SDXQ #1
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Big bagseed #1
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Everything is looking and smelling great. Sucks I have 5 weeks+? Left to wait.

Beautiful plants brother and they look great. What kind of smells are you getting? :D

 

[rmoltis]

Beautiful plants brother and they look great. What kind of smells are you getting? :D

Right now the smell is all lumped together since all 4 are in the tent.

I also learned via my 1st grow the true/full smell won't develop until later in flower. What I smell now may be completely different later in flower.

Right now SDXQ#1&2 smell of sourness & berries/fruity.

Big bagseed#1 smells of citrus & of flower style fragrance

Big bagseed#2 has a similar citrus, floral fragrance with a little sweet & sour going on.

Just keep in mind smell may mature/change during late flower.

 

[rmoltis]

So after reading my eye hortilux bulbs spec info pdf online. I found this section pertaining to rated lamp life that I thought was useful.

The part I am referencing to now is the part about the published average rated life is achieved using a 10hr (on) cycle.

This means I had to rethink my diminishing light schedule. I have now decided that if an 8 week strain is average. I will reduce my time by 15 minutes each weak.

1st week 12/12
2nd week 11.75/12.25
3rd week 11.50/12.50
4th week 11.25/12.75
5th week. 11/13
6th week 10.75/13.25
7th week 10.5/13.5
8th week 10.25/13.75
9th week+ 10/14

Anything 9th week & past will stay 10/14 until done.
This ought to help improve rated lamp life.

So since today is week 3 end & week 4 start in an hour or so. My timer is now set to 11.25/12.75.

 

[rmoltis]

Hey guys don't hassle me to hard.
I'm experimenting again with defoliation in flower again.

Fan leaves are solar panels but they are also massive nutrient storage.

Seeing as we feed them nutrients consistantly in a synthetic environment . They are less likely to need the extra storages. And the budsites will fatten up and absorb light

My 1st grow I did a lot of defoliation to expose the flower sites to light being blocked by fan leaves.

It lead to flower sites thickening up and proliferating.

So I decided to do it again this round to see if I could reproduce similar results. The massive fan leaves of all plants were blocking considerable amounts of light.


Here they are.

I made sure to leave the lowest Leaf's that weren't blocking anything. That way there was still plenty of photosynthesis going on.

I also left the top 2 nodes of fan Leaf's at canopy level to absorb the peak light produced up top.

 

[rmoltis]

Things are going good.

They are going to get fed today. Man have they been thirsty lately.

Flower sites are creating new leaves & enlarging existing sugar leaves.

The extra light the lower flower sites are receiving is helping them fatten up. As well as the exposure to the uv light spectrum is helping then frost up very nicely.

Here are a few teaser pics.

Big bagseed #1

SDXQ #1

SDXQ #2

 

[Moto]

Things are going good.

They are going to get fed today. Man have they been thirsty lately.

Flower sites are creating new leaves & enlarging existing sugar leaves.

The extra light the lower flower sites are receiving is helping them fatten up. As well as the exposure to the uv light spectrum is helping then frost up very nicely.

Here are a few teaser pics.

Big bagseed #1
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SDXQ #1
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SDXQ #2
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Frosty girls and they are looking great. Nice job and thanks for sharing. :D

 

[rmoltis]

This post is for yesterday.
For some reason pics weren't uploading


End of week 4. Start of week 5 update

Photoperiod went down 15 minutes to
11/13.

Defoliation has helped quite a bit to fatten up lower flower sites. Even the lowest flowers are now frosty protecting themselves from the uv radiation.

4 more weeks to the 8 week mark. We will then see from there how long things will take. I'm assuming some may be 9-10 week strains. My clones are in a hurry to go upstairs.

Once I run all my clones for 3rd round/grow. I will want to start some fresh seeds. Having all females is nice to help max out the tent but, having variety is also a great thing.

I'll probably run the 5 mystery seeds (freebies) @logic sent me next grow (round 4). I think this & the next grow will keep me stocked for a good bit of time.

 

[rmoltis]

Clone town update. The single top plant in the back is the big bagseed #1

The big bagseed #1 on the left has 8 tops and is quite the Bush. Taming it will be tough.

Bottom middle is the SDXQ #2 it has 8 tops as well and has thicker stump and branches already compared to the others.

Bottom right is the bagseed #2 on the last topping 1 side had a runt grow in. So I had to cut it off leaving this a 7 top bush. I then neglected to train it until today lol. So I tied the shortest branch down 1st. Then used it as the height of what I wanted the canopy to be. By bending the remaining 6 tops to that height.

And then the top right is the 2nd bagseed #1. It was the most recent/last transplant from the cloner. I let it establish a small root system and topped it after those first few pictures. It is the front left one in this pic now topped.

I topped this clone high because each subsequent topping will stall it's growth vertically. While all the other clones have 8 tops well established and ready to take off. So the extra height on this first topping will help compensate for the late start relative to the others.

All those plants are very short and bushy. If I measured from the tent floor to avg canopy height it would be "6.5-"7. But that includes soil and pot height. From their soil line it's about "3.5-"4 tall.

 

[incogneato]

Clone town update. The single top plant in the back is the big bagseed #1
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The big bagseed #1 on the left has 8 tops and is quite the Bush. Taming it will be tough.

Bottom middle is the SDXQ #2 it has 8 tops as well and has thicker stump and branches already compared to the others.

Bottom right is the bagseed #2 on the last topping 1 side had a runt grow in. So I had to cut it off leaving this a 7 top bush. I then neglected to train it until today lol. So I tied the shortest branch down 1st. Then used it as the height of what I wanted the canopy to be. By bending the remaining 6 tops to that height.

And then the top right is the 2nd bagseed #1. It was the most recent/last transplant from the cloner. I let it establish a small root system and topped it after those first few pictures. It is the front left one in this pic now topped.
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I topped this clone high because eachtentsequent topping will stall it's growth vertically. While all the other clones have 8 tops well established and ready to take off. So the extra height on this first topping will help compensate for the late start relative to the others.

All those plants are very short and bushy. If I measured from the tent floor to avg canopy height it would be "6.5-"7. But that includes soil and pot height. From their soil line it's about "3.5-"4 tall.

Its going down in clone town! Looking good brotha. I hope to have some greenery in my tent like that real soon