I finally got some good herb in Colorado

[ttystikk]

All the weed in Colorado is schwag, the air is polluted, and the water is salty. Go back to your home base and leave all the snow for me.

Yeah, and the skiruns are always crusty, the only thing Crustier are the looks the local girls give you. Head home, now, before you end up like a total Boulderite, dood.

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

It's just a flyover state with a cow town.

 

[souf69]

Dont flyover, please fly around for your safety... thank me later

 

[Green Mopho]

They already legalized shooting down of drones in some parts of eastern Colorado. Soon enough, those mountain crazies will shoot down planes...

 

[ttystikk]

They already legalized shooting down of drones in some parts of eastern Colorado. Soon enough, those mountain crazies will shoot down planes...

What do you mean, 'soon enough'? They're already shooting at them, they just tend to miss and come up short. Better rifles will level the playing field...

 

[souf69]

Im building a punkin chunkin drone killer for my airspace....

 

[muir]

They already legalized shooting down of drones in some parts of eastern Colorado. Soon enough, those mountain crazies will shoot down planes...

there were plans to blow the canyon tunnel if y2k shit really went down.

 

[turbo14]

They already legalized shooting down of drones in some parts of eastern Colorado. Soon enough, those mountain crazies will shoot down planes...

Locked, cocked, and ready to rock!

turbo

 

[homebrew420]

Jillybean? I am with most theses other fellas. Never been impressed on a whole with anything I have consumed from TGA/SUB crew. Hater until proven otherwise. Gorgeous flowers and great flavor are fairly standard in mho. Thats it. happy to be proven wrong about any seed co though.
Subcool is not a breeder I would ever chose to work gear from. Stability reasons in progeny.

 

[Dopegeist]

When they start 'regulating this like alcohol', we'll see the shift back to people producing lots of what they produce well. That should help standards of product to end consumers.
But it's gonna be awhile. Till that whole concept of AB doesn't have to own every bar, restaurant or liquor dispensary...Why does MJ have to.
Merck, Lilly, Pfizer, ect don't own all the Walmart, Walgreens and other pharmacies.

But a step forward is a step forward. The more chance Mary Jane has to be out in the open, the more chance people have of seeing the absurdity of the claims.

I think the big Fear factor here is the 'gateway' concept that it'll lead to your kids doing meth. But once it's out there and they say, "Hey, maybe it's not the weed, maybe it's the doctor prescribed amphetamines we've been giving him since he started doing poorly in school at age 12"...

The truth shall set you free.

 

[lino]

Jillybean?
Subcool is not a breeder I would ever chose to work gear from. Stability reasons in progeny.

I'm not disagreeing with your comments nor am I here to bad mouth any cannabis breeder but I always have something to add. Stability: I have not seen many cannabis strains that I would classify uniform and stable genetics. Northern Lights originals were kinda stable, some Afy indicas from Neville , Case and point, Northern Lights to this day will still breed Northern Lights and they all look and taste the same if you got the good ol NL1's. But honestly out of the 1000's of strains I've grown they're almost all mutts, especially now days, inbred hillybilly breeds that pick up disease and bugs easy. Most quality smoke that is being bred now is coming from GenotypeS (OG mutts to name some of the sought after genetics now days) and are usually a rare Genotype to find in the 10 seeds gene pool you get in the mail due to inbred hillbilly breeding . I wished someone could tell me where to order 10 seeds that were going to produce 9 uniform OG champs better than any rare cut. It will take a college 2-3 years and many labs, acres, greenhouses, and 1000's of plants to get these cannabis gene pool stabilized for championship smoke and uniformity due to the diverse gene pools of today's cannabis seeds.
Jillybean, early SC strains upto 2005 had the start of good breeding practices with limited Genotypes of very good quality and very clean embryo's, But like Most cannabis breeding Jillybean had 3 grand parents; Orange, Romulan, Space. The seeds produce after 2005 in photos I posted earlier were all over the board, inbred like other cannabis of today standards and dirty embryo's just like most cannabis strains you get online today and you're not going to find the Sour OG tastes you guys are looking for in the new Jillybeans seeds but the originals Jillys will cover every leaf with giant trichomes and all Jillys will take many generations to stabilize.
The one positive thing I can say about SC is he tells what he's crossing and he has been working with many of the same older strains for a number of years now. I saw his new strains and it looks like he producing some new cultivars that might be interesting. But for the most part everybody crossing each others genetics and its being called breeding.

 

[paulsoco]

So finally I got something worth talking about. It was grown outdoors, and it was Jillybean. It far surpassed anything else I have had since I have been here. It was actually grown by a dispensary down south. I was happily surprised to say the least. The best part was the price. Free. :)

Aweskme

So finally I got something worth talking about. It was grown outdoors, and it was Jillybean. It far surpassed anything else I have had since I have been here. It was actually grown by a dispensary down south. I was happily surprised to say the least. The best part was the price. Free. :)

Sweet

Hey, I just grew out some Jillybean outside this year. Was the sample you got kinda foxtaily? Mine foxtailed hard on me.

 

[Seamaiden]

Lino, I have a dear friend who lives nearby me (relatively speaking, still takes almost an hour to get to his place, I'm sure you CO cats understand how driving through mountain roads is). I don't know what it is about how he works and what he does, but I run his lines every year. Why? Well, you certainly can find some amazing phenos, but the thing is, he's got this gift with making amazing crosses that show rather good stability and little variation between phenos. Motarebel works with him. He's an old timer from the 'nam days, does things the old timer way, but the thing is this--it works!

I've never had one of Loran's crosses hermie on me with one notable exception--the year I got root aphids (the hermaphroditism was the diagnostic that finally convinced me). Some lines I've run show so little variation that I could not tell the difference between them at all. One particular run got me 9 females out of 10 beans I popped, which was disappointing because I was looking for a male. That one he named Longbottom Leaf, but I've also heard it called Cleaner Kush or Kush Cleaner, can't recall, I know it as Longbottom Leaf.

I'm not going to say much more here and now about TGA lines, other than this--what I've run has been unstable to the Nth degree, tends to hermi hard, and hasn't shown itself to be anything to write home about. We shall see with this Jillybean run, but I knew it was a gamble dedicated a whole bed to it. I don't mind foxtails as long as I make some weight, and most importantly, that it smokes in spectacular fashion. If it smokes well or better than, then I'd call it a keeper. 'Cept I didn't take any cuts. D'oh!

 

[lino]

Seamaid, TGA, Jillybean, ,,, I think we all kinda agree. His old lines were decent and the run of seeds that I included in the prior pics had some problems. Jillybean has a recessive hermy gene with one side of the gametes inert and can poss show themselves by as soon as the F2's.
I'm testing Sub's Vortex and DairyQueen now and a cpl other strains looking for a good cut cause the seed are getting old, I'm not breeding this round.
I've tested and bred some of these SubCool CV also.
new generation seeds
Flav- not heavy and was difficult to get hard nugs, but decent smoke and the plants showed lots of similarities.
SpaceJill - lots of variation in plants.
SpaceBomb - not as much vigor as the old versions.

Old generation seeds
TinyBomb - showed some stability , off the chart in resin production and powerful high, slow to grow and very small. Good breeder.
SpaceBomb - very good genotype can be found, unique smoke , High resin production, good cherry red hash producer.
I've bred these 2 strains in IBL's for many generations and I'll cross Tiny whenever I want up my resin production in any F1's cross's.

Can you provide any links or info on Loran's genetics??? I read you mention Loran's before.

 

[Seamaiden]

He's not a guy with a huge presence on the internet, no websites or anything like that. He's registered here and on some other sites, that's how I first learned that I had a neighbor. We met, hit it off, there ya go. He knows a lot of folks through his limited presence, and those are the people he works with. Motarebel is offering some of his stuff through THCBay. I grew out the Apollo F4s on offer two years ago, and while not Loran's per se, he's keeping the line going well I think.

 

[moemoe08]

i was gifted 2 seeds of apollo 13 f4. both female and the same exact pheno. they both were fire. motas apollo was very stable or i was lucky.

 

[soserthc1]

i was gifted 2 seeds of apollo 13 f4. both female and the same exact pheno. they both were fire. motas apollo was very stable or i was lucky.

the difference is Mota not the strain just read all thru this post and a lino thread can get the eyes hurting....lol.. but he basically just said you need to work a sub cool strain 4-7 generations to require a certain traits seems to me he is leaving the work to you , thou i never grew any , had some agent orange and was blah at best

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

Subcool uses colloidal silver on cloned (female) genetics to force hermaphrodite ("whip her bernanner out") and pollinate other clones. While it can work well for an F1 generation the subsequent genetic line is severely compromised using this technique. Hybrids of unstable genetics will exhibit weakness down the genetic line. It is possible to stabilize the genetic through breeding with a stabilized breed, usually an IBL (InBred Line) or a true breeding stabilized genetic such as northern lights#5, which is practically an inbreed due to the breeder working the genetic line for many years to obtain desirable traits that breed true in the subsequent offspring.

If you would like to stabilize a genetic and try to create an IBL or stabilized genetic from a small seed selection then you need to create two separate genetic lines from the seeds. Do a phenotype selection and use what you believe to be the best 2 separate sets of females and males (how ever you want to make that..oohh.. magic moment..) to create two separate genetic inbred lines. Then breed these two genetic lines together down the road (say 3 generations at the very very least for the separate genetic lines) to reintroduce some hybrid vigor back into the IBL. You can do this reintroduction of hybrid vigor with many more genetic lines than just two lines if you start with a larger seed selection or decide to split off another IBL from the subsequent parent line further along in the breeding process. Take your best male (that you think you have as most of us never do the subsequent genetic research on the offspring) and your best female and imagine how many different genetic lines could be produced from one massive hybrid pollination.

The only true way to select a keeper male takes quite a bit of work. The genetic line will display the qualities of the father in the offspring. You must grow out the seeds, and quite a few of them, to discover the true potential of the male in question through the characteristics exhibited in the offspring. The better the offspring and percentage of badass offspring, the better papa nanner is.

WHO got me started on genetics..kinda why you see me growing landrace (natural selection IBL) and subsequent hybrids of known stabilized genetic lines. I don't want to literally fuck the world of cannabis with compromised genetic lines. Quite a few breeders these days don't take that into consideration when making their genetic lines for commercial consumption.

I have run quite a few pollen chucking hybrids that I have created and you never can tell when you have a keeper until the beans speak like...psst,..(I'm gonna fuck your head up)...(smell it)..(that's right turkey)..

SORRY FOR THE RANT! Keep your genetics clean, your grandchildren will get high as fuck.

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

So I meant to finish the rant (time expired to edit) about hybrid vigor and genetic lines. I dunno if you guys ever saw the sensi NL#5XHaze about 15-20 years ago but that's (apparently from my understanding) where the Chemdog cut came from. Two super stable genetic lines that still show desirable genetics in the offspring to this day. That's the father of NYC diesel. The father of the chunkakushygieselfuckingchristOG hybrid some east coastah from wooooostah mass keeps asking you about.

 

[lino]

So I meant to finish the rant (time expired to edit) about hybrid vigor and genetic lines. I dunno if you guys ever saw the sensi NL#5XHaze about 15-20 years ago but that's (apparently from my understanding) where the Chemdog cut came from. Two super stable genetic lines that still show desirable genetics in the offspring to this day. That's the father of NYC diesel. The father of the chunkakushygieselfuckingchristOG hybrid some east coastah from wooooostah mass keeps asking you about.

new strains = hillbilly inbred varieties , but boy we love to smoke em. How many times do we read , "I found a good pheno"...