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OG Tea (Veganic Special Sauce???

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I remember a time when we didn't need or use half this stuff that's on the market today and we were growing some pretty fine erbs then too! Wonder what changed?

Anyway, I've been using their Pure Microbial Inoculant over the past couple of weeks ...I got a sweet deal from the reps ($20 for a pound bag) so it was worth giving it a shot ....hell I have and love Cap's stuff too but it ain't never gonna be that cheap lol even if this stuffs of a lesser quality my plants do respond, not like they do with Cap's but they're happy none the less above and below the ground!
Tastier and cleaner burning if you ask me too, back then the capitalism hadn't hit the "niche" garden industry and the mmj hadn't blown up and everyone became a grower overnight...
 
So very familiar with what trichoderma do. There is a product called root blooms. Awesome. Same people who make sea green and it's trichoderma free. Now what I'm not sure of is is every trichoderma the same when it comes to how they interact with bennies. Dude I talk to ain't just trying to make a buck. Fact. So I'm just going to start using this stuff trichoderma and all and hope it works as good as it's supposed to.
 
So very familiar with what trichoderma do. There is a product called root blooms. Awesome. Same people who make sea green and it's trichoderma free. Now what I'm not sure of is is every trichoderma the same when it comes to how they interact with bennies. Dude I talk to ain't just trying to make a buck. Fact. So I'm just going to start using this stuff trichoderma and all and hope it works as good as it's supposed to.


Science is a UNIVERSE in itself, Bacteria being a Vast Community. Now you know im far from a scientist, but we know i have access. I think the lanes of "Organic" Vs "Hydroponic" are one of the same. People just like to separate shit, to be ona ELITE list. Now im no pro, have a few in my family though as you know they are underground. I tend to believe in what's ALWAYS been TRUTH, this universe is too Vast to pinpoint ONE method for anything. To each it's own, but I'd rather test something before i use it to see if itt applies to my knowledge at hand. It's ALL research till we find our OWN breakthrough.
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So baba got me reading to see why the hell this particular trichoderma was added to the special sauce. So I found this link. A few paragraphs in u will see "trichoderma harzianum" and what it does. I have no problem with this particular trichoderma because it's apparently awesome. Lol. In any case not an expert on the subject so maybe someone can tell me if I'm wrong but read this link. If nothing else it's interesting.
http://www.manicbotanix.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=14&limitstart=1
 
I don't have any problems with others growing in soil, but I'm just a hydroponics guy. It just fits me so well, I love progressive things and the benefits that they provide. It's just superior in every way to me. It's just a personal preference is all. Conversely, when I begin going to the Bay frequently again during football season all I ever get is organic herb. There's no difference to me when chemically grown herb is flushed properly and there's no difference if I grow herb chemically. I concede that organic herb on the market is much much smoother, but if I grow it the herb will be just as smooth.

What do you mean by 'bennies'??? Is that beneficials? In the brochure it says "no brewing allows all species of beneficial bacteria and fungi to inoculate at an equal pace, therefore promoting maximum benefits." Who knows if that is true or not...I sure as hell don't lol. But, I will contact them and try to get a better understanding of this stuff and bring it to you guys. I know you guys will give an honest opinion based on experience.
Knowing what I know, different microbes reproduce at different rates, depending on a whole suite of variables.

You could do organics in coir pretty easily, IMO, but you're not feeding the 'soil' as soil growers do, you're still more actively feeding the plant and whatever microbes will live in the media. I've done both soil and coir indoors, and for yield coir kicks ass, simple as that.
 
Knowing what I know, different microbes reproduce at different rates, depending on a whole suite of variables.

You could do organics in coir pretty easily, IMO, but you're not feeding the 'soil' as soil growers do, you're still more actively feeding the plant and whatever microbes will live in the media. I've done both soil and coir indoors, and for yield coir kicks ass, simple as that.
That kind of post is why ur awesome. Respect girlie.
 
This is my first run with Canna nutrients and I always thought that beneficials were irrelevant when using chemical nutes. But, I still always applied them. As I just finished doing my last veg mix I decided to go ahead and add Canna Boost, which to my surprise is full of beneficials per the label. Your comment has my wheels spinning, specifically the part about the good fuzzy stuff. How are you applying yours? Are you sprinkling it around the base of the stalk or just sprinkling it evenly across the surface?
For the first few feedings with the free sample I mixed and watered, but eventually I just started sprinkling some across the surface, and then watered. Ive only used this on my mothers and vegging plants. Ill add more and post a pic
 
Knowing what I know, different microbes reproduce at different rates, depending on a whole suite of variables.

You could do organics in coir pretty easily, IMO, but you're not feeding the 'soil' as soil growers do, you're still more actively feeding the plant and whatever microbes will live in the media. I've done both soil and coir indoors, and for yield coir kicks ass, simple as that.
Wonderful! That's great to hear! The yields are definitely one of the benefits of coco that I'm in love with. Can you elaborate on what "actively feeding the plant and whatever microbes will live in the media" entails? I have a rudimentary understanding of what microbes like/need, but are organically derived elements supplemented differently than inorganic elements? Let me clarify, do plants see a different response to organic npk ratios than chemically derived ratios? Do you ph or use r.o. in your organic coco? If so, do you use calmag?
 
For the first few feedings with the free sample I mixed and watered, but eventually I just started sprinkling some across the surface, and then watered. Ive only used this on my mothers and vegging plants. Ill add more and post a pic
Cool! Any pics or information would be more than welcomed. I think I will begin sprinkling a couple of tbsp as well. Hopefully, I'll get another free sample next week to get me through flowering.
 
Wonderful! That's great to hear! The yields are definitely one of the benefits of coco that I'm in love with. Can you elaborate on what "actively feeding the plant and whatever microbes will live in the media" entails? I have a rudimentary understanding of what microbes like/need, but are organically derived elements supplemented differently than inorganic elements? Let me clarify, do plants see a different response to organic npk ratios than chemically derived ratios? Do you ph or use r.o. in your organic coco? If so, do you use calmag?
Hoo boy, a huge subject with those few questions!

So, first the main thing to understand is that soil and coir are different specifically because of what comprises soil. It's not just organic matter, but also minerals. Minerals are almost completely lacking in coir, relatively speaking. With organic soil the paradigm is not to feed the plant, it is to feed the soil, which then feeds the plant. If you care to spend some time doing some reading, I cannot recommend Teaming With Microbes highly enough as a fantastic primer on the soil food web.

With coir, there are no minerals or much in the way of other nutrients that are stored in the media, so it must be actively fed for the plant to gain nutrition. This is directly feeding the plant and bypassing the microbial part of the equation. Chemical salts tend to desiccate or otherwise harm microbial populations (this is what leads to 'dead land' in farming, along with tillage and constant passes over the soil of large equipment, which compacts it irretrievably).

SO! When you're doing an organic method in a coir base, you must respect that the coir is not mineralized, but it can be to some extent, and that it can also serve as a home for some microbes that can help with the feeding. That said, the course folks usually end up on is using organic feeds to directly feed the plant, because of this mineral and microbial deficiency.

Teas, stuff like liquid bone meal, Fox Farms Big Bloom, Earth Juice (I'm pretty sure that's an organic feed) can all be used to good result in coir.

I use RO/DI water for my coir and indoor cultivation, my well water is too hard and has caused me too many problems growing inside. I NEVER use "cal-mag" because I've grown to fucking detest the combination products. The ratios are WAAAYYY off, which I only learned after I separated out Ca feeds from Mg feeds. I was using BioLink 6% Ca and that's what I recommend for Ca if you can find it (I cannot), and MgSO4 (Epsom) for the Mg (plus, consequently, a lot more S than Mg). Alternating the Ca with the Mg allowed a larger amount of other feeds, as well as allowed me to tease apart what was really happening when I was using "cal-mag" and, along with that, learned that the bigger problem is always Ca, not Mg.

Oh! I also like to use a source of humic acid, which allows a lower feeding rate as well. I do pH, but using organics I haven't messed with measuring EC.
 
Hoo boy, a huge subject with those few questions!

So, first the main thing to understand is that soil and coir are different specifically because of what comprises soil. It's not just organic matter, but also minerals. Minerals are almost completely lacking in coir, relatively speaking. With organic soil the paradigm is not to feed the plant, it is to feed the soil, which then feeds the plant. If you care to spend some time doing some reading, I cannot recommend Teaming With Microbes highly enough as a fantastic primer on the soil food web.

With coir, there are no minerals or much in the way of other nutrients that are stored in the media, so it must be actively fed for the plant to gain nutrition. This is directly feeding the plant and bypassing the microbial part of the equation. Chemical salts tend to desiccate or otherwise harm microbial populations (this is what leads to 'dead land' in farming, along with tillage and constant passes over the soil of large equipment, which compacts it irretrievably).

SO! When you're doing an organic method in a coir base, you must respect that the coir is not mineralized, but it can be to some extent, and that it can also serve as a home for some microbes that can help with the feeding. That said, the course folks usually end up on is using organic feeds to directly feed the plant, because of this mineral and microbial deficiency.

Teas, stuff like liquid bone meal, Fox Farms Big Bloom, Earth Juice (I'm pretty sure that's an organic feed) can all be used to good result in coir.

I use RO/DI water for my coir and indoor cultivation, my well water is too hard and has caused me too many problems growing inside. I NEVER use "cal-mag" because I've grown to fucking detest the combination products. The ratios are WAAAYYY off, which I only learned after I separated out Ca feeds from Mg feeds. I was using BioLink 6% Ca and that's what I recommend for Ca if you can find it (I cannot), and MgSO4 (Epsom) for the Mg (plus, consequently, a lot more S than Mg). Alternating the Ca with the Mg allowed a larger amount of other feeds, as well as allowed me to tease apart what was really happening when I was using "cal-mag" and, along with that, learned that the bigger problem is always Ca, not Mg.

Oh! I also like to use a source of humic acid, which allows a lower feeding rate as well. I do pH, but using organics I haven't messed with measuring EC.
Okay, things are starting to become clearer. Thanks a million for your insight!!! I just ordered so nutrients several hrs ago, but I think I'm going to order Bio Canna after the holiday. I think that's a good start until I learn the more about organics. By the end of the week, all that you've said will make a ton of sense and I'll have devised a plan of action for my grow! Thanks again you're always a big help!!!:happy:
 
One of the guys @ OGTea got back to me about how to apply this stuff. I'm gonna go ahead and sprinkle it in my coco, which should achieve the same dual affect that he references.

"Foliar feeding the vegetative leaves is fine, but be aware that it will leave a powdery residue. However, you will see the greatest results by adding the Special Sauce directly to your Canna nutrients.


The reason being that all the nutrients including Bloombastic are completely water soluble, but the nutrients in the Special Sauce are not. The minerals are micronized to the correct size for the microbes to feed on.


This means that the microbes have nothing to eat when the nutrients are already solubilized - that's their job. When you use the Special Sauce during both veg and flower phase, you are adding micronized minerals that the microbes can eat.


The water soluble nutrients are directly absorbed by the plant root while the micronized minerals are feed to the roots by the microbes. This way you can get more phosphorus and potassium into the plant by two methods instead of one."
 
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Price is a real concern for me!

Nature's Nectar is organic and it's the shit! You can get the whole nutrient additive line for $78 shipped. The base nutes are a three part N, P, K. Base nutes are $17 each for a quart or $55 each for a gallon.

I made a feeding chart, in the Nutrients (Nature's Nectar) thread. Check it out!
 
If it's not certified, then it's not organic. Is it certified? That's the only time I'll accept the claim that something is organic. Usually, water soluble does not mean organic.

One of the guys @ OGTea got back to me about how to apply this stuff. I'm gonna go ahead and sprinkle it in my coco, which should achieve the same dual affect that he references.

"Foliar feeding the vegetative leaves is fine, but be aware that it will leave a powdery residue. However, you will see the greatest results by adding the Special Sauce directly to your Canna nutrients.


The reason being that all the nutrients including Bloombastic are completely water soluble, but the nutrients in the Special Sauce are not. The minerals are micronized to the correct size for the microbes to feed on.


This means that the microbes have nothing to eat when the nutrients are already solubilized - that's their job. When you use the Special Sauce during both veg and flower phase, you are adding micronized minerals that the microbes can eat.


The water soluble nutrients are directly absorbed by the plant root while the micronized minerals are feed to the roots by the microbes. This way you can get more phosphorus and potassium into the plant by two methods instead of one."
It sounds like they have a good grasp on part of the equation here.
 
View attachment 409288 Price is a real concern for me!

Nature's Nectar is organic and it's the shit! You can get the whole nutrient additive line for $78 shipped. The base nutes are a three part N, P, K. Base nutes are $17 each for a quart or $55 each for a gallon.

I made a feeding chart, in the Nutrients (Nature's Nectar) thread. Check it out!
Have u used it in Coco?
 
View attachment 409288 Price is a real concern for me!

Nature's Nectar is organic and it's the shit! You can get the whole nutrient additive line for $78 shipped. The base nutes are a three part N, P, K. Base nutes are $17 each for a quart or $55 each for a gallon.

I made a feeding chart, in the Nutrients (Nature's Nectar) thread. Check it out!
It sounds good! I take it you've been using it n your coco already? I'm definitely gonna move to organic nutes after I finish my current supply of Canna.
 
If it's not certified, then it's not organic. Is it certified? That's the only time I'll accept the claim that something is organic. Usually, water soluble does not mean organic.


It sounds like they have a good grasp on part of the equation here.
I'm not sure, but I would assume they'd make it their business to highlight that information. It's not highlighted at their website. They do shed some light on it's ingredients in their website FAQ. They say every bag of this stuff has a link to the products ingredients, that link takes you to the California Department of Food and Agriculture. They are registered with them and all their products are listed on the CDFA for reference.
 
If it's not certified, then it's not organic. Is it certified? That's the only time I'll accept the claim that something is organic. Usually, water soluble does not mean organic.


It sounds like they have a good grasp on part of the equation here.


Yes, the base nutes are certified Organic. They require no PH adjustment!
 
Yes, in Coco. I've also used it on my watermelons in soil. My plants seem to like it more than my House & Garden nutes.
Thanks bro. U using their feeding schedule? And is it just a three part or do they have more stuff? If u have the time can u link me. I'm interested. Seems fairly inexpensive
 
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