Tired of Seeing Breeders Only Offering Fem Seeds

[tipz]

Squigley what say u on the chemical interaction?

 

[SpiderK]

05-09-2013, 03:45 AM
Ograskal
senior member

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Originally Posted by siftedunity
I just bought a pack of wifi from the tude. I hope these issues are not the mainstream .


Trust me, the White Fire is fine..Just grew a pack out myslef recently and got a couple nice keepers..Of course there is always a chance a hermie could pop up with any fem seeds especially if your setup isnt dialed in... a few on here are just haters talking smack or tryin to get free beans..I have caught lots of folks in lies...Not saying that some of these folks didnt get hermies because it is possible but beleive me when i tell you some of them are lying!
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ograskal
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[kolah]

Thanks, Tipz. Homework time for me.

 

[kolah]

Squigley what say u on the chemical interaction?

I ain't seen the Squiggsmesiter in quite some time..maybe he'll chime in.

 

[tipz]

Im more of a double haploid guy, squig is the best chem guy around, and no, i ain't talking about the plant!

 

[true grit]

One reality is that alot of breeders do not want you finding a male and making seeds from them and quite a few breeders are tired of people finding males, making tons of crosses and starting seed companies off the backs and long hard work of the original breeder..no need to create undue competition with your own genetics if you can get around it..

This is the main reason. Plain and simple. Game is tightening up with current legalization. Most folks aren't in legal states or markets (often lucky to be med) and don't see or know the impact of corporations getting involved. So not only is it protecting genetics from being taken and bred by individuals, it protects genetics from larger entities looking to buy up or recreate genes.

That said I agree with Manic- I have no problems with hermies from fems, in fact I find most of my solid genetics from fems. In fact I've had more herms from f/m populations. Do people with solid m/f seeds lose them over time? Probably not. Most still keep, f2, etc...they just lock em down. Not really many m/f seeds id buy these days to be honest, I'd rather hunt for old see cultivars and pop/make fems in the meantime.

 

[tipz]

05-09-2013, 03:45 AM
Ograskal
senior member

Quote:
Originally Posted by siftedunity
I just bought a pack of wifi from the tude. I hope these issues are not the mainstream .


Trust me, the White Fire is fine..Just grew a pack out myslef recently and got a couple nice keepers..Of course there is always a chance a hermie could pop up with any fem seeds especially if your setup isnt dialed in... a few on here are just haters talking smack or tryin to get free beans..I have caught lots of folks in lies...Not saying that some of these folks didnt get hermies because it is possible but beleive me when i tell you some of them are lying!
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ograskal
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I consider Sift standup and above the suggestion.

 

[caveman4.20]

I have participated in hermie conversations in the past and started a few threads and it's sad to say that it's always been growers blame breeders and breeders blame growers few with exceptions are humble enough to contradict themselves and own up to it....let me break the ice, when I first started growing I experienced plenty of hermaphroditic expression, I came later to find out I was sourced selfed seeds from a preservation project and I was the lucky grower to further that work. Lucky I say because nothing or no-one has taught me more in this game then the hermaphrodite! I have grown plenty of those accidental selved seeds and have established that it's both breeder and grower .....with one exception being an @uprisingseedco Test (zero bananas), ......I've never researched if there is a common or an unspoken approach to testing but when I test now I put the genetics through hell several times several ways and not always on purpose but I always note if something changes radically in veg or flower phase and there is parallel in my experience. These test came on accident at first when I first started learning and on purposes after I thought I knew what caused the herm.

With that said I used to be outspoken about how pointless it was to grow hermies....until my work started to pay off (some hermies are better medicine then non-hermies). I've grown my own hermy seeds and have learned plenty enough to grow others selfd seed coming from professional breeding....
Proof is in the pudding and I must say that right now I have examples from 6 different sources of hermy seed with Zero hermaphrodite.....two phenos which plenty are familiar with here WhiteBubba from ograskal , Chemdawg4 X GSc #3 from Devine, Mk-Ultra & Northern Lights from Colorado breeder, and the rest my own continued work from others....

To be clear NOT one person has asked me to share this info for profit or advertising or test these plants and seed they were all gifts....I'm attempting to escalate my personal humility because I've been outspoken on the subject in the past I should continue by concluding with my recent findings....which are obvious successful experiences with femd seeds wether there naturally selfd or chemical induced.....

 

[SpiderK]

its not about bashing raskal either .....

he has awesome genetics, always posted nice grows and people understand now, once you purchase something its on you from him. but some buyers do not agree, they expected more.

but, it was posted for his content that one should expect more or can have issues with fem's.

 

[caveman4.20]

I have participated in hermie conversations in the past and started a few threads and it's sad to say that it's always been growers blame breeders and breeders blame growers few with exceptions are humble enough to contradict themselves and own up to it....let me break the ice, when I first started growing I experienced plenty of hermaphroditic expression, I came later to find out I was sourced selfed seeds from a preservation project and I was the lucky grower to further that work. Lucky I say because nothing or no-one has taught me more in this game then the hermaphrodite! I have grown plenty of those accidental selved seeds and have established that it's both breeder and grower .....with one exception being an @uprisingseedco Test (zero bananas), ......I've never researched if there is a common or an unspoken approach to testing but when I test now I put the genetics through hell several times several ways and not always on purpose but I always note if something changes radically in veg or flower phase and there is parallel in my experience. These test came on accident at first when I first started learning and on purposes after I thought I knew what caused the herm.

With that said I used to be outspoken about how pointless it was to grow hermies....until my work started to pay off (some hermies are better medicine then non-hermies). I've grown my own hermy seeds and have learned plenty enough to grow others selfd seed coming from professional breeding....
Proof is in the pudding and I must say that right now I have examples from 6 different sources of hermy seed with Zero hermaphrodite.....two phenos which plenty are familiar with here WhiteBubba from ograskal , Chemdawg4 X GSc #3 from Devine, Mk-Ultra & Northern Lights from Colorado breeder, and the rest my own....

To be clear NOT one person has asked me to share this info for profit or advertising or test these plants and seed they were all gifts....I'm attempting to escalate my personal humility because I've been outspoken on the subject in the past I should continue by concluding with my recent findings....which are obvious successful experiences with femd seeds wether there naturally selfd or chemical induced.....

With the above said I've talked face to face with reputable veteran breeders with more then one being very close friends and they will admit that nothing is conclusive so much to the point of finding straight male in a selfd run now that's humble and solid.
Nothing is concrete 100% percent with this plant PERIOD

 

[crocodile og]

The gene pool is taking a beating
Anyone that tells you that chemical inducement doesn't alter
The genetic structure is just full of crap. Its called wallet
protectionism. Tipz

Sorry bro but STS and colloidal silver doesn't alter genes. It changes hormone ratio levels.

This is simply demonstrated after the part of the plant stops having it applied to it. It will revert back to pistillate growth on the untreated part of the branch.

STS is used as a plant preservative in the cut flower industry. This is because it reduces ethylene synthesis that is responsible for senescence. Ethylene is what stimulates undifferentiated cells to form pistillate growth. By changing the hormonal ratios to favour gibberellin it results in cells favouring staminate growth.

Plant cells are completely different from animal cells. Grade school biology stuff.

Comparing plants and animals is simply ridiculous.

 

[tipz]

@ogr....the last time i was in conversation with you at IC about breeding hermies into the genepool, u locked the thread, pm'd me threatening ban. It got a smile out of me.
Ill defer on your posts, as im little biased

 

[caveman4.20]

With the above said I've talked face to face with reputable veteran breeders with more then one being very close friends and they will admit that nothing is conclusive so much to the point of finding straight male in a selfd run now that's humble and solid.
Nothing is concrete 100% percent with this plant PERIOD

To make some progress I am trying to establish categories that I believe deserve attention based off the richter scale...
Basically different categories measuring the hermaphroditic expression based off the causal relationship.

Too much complaining with no suggestive progress

 

[tipz]

Sorry bro but STS and colloidal silver doesn't alter genes. It changes hormone ratio levels.

This is simply demonstrated after the part of the plant stops having it applied to it. It will revert back to pistillate growth on the untreated part of the branch.

STS is used as a plant preservative in the cut flower industry. This is because it reduces ethylene synthesis that is responsible for senescence. Ethylene is what stimulates undifferentiated cells to form pistillate growth. By changing the hormonal ratios to favour gibberellin it results in cells favouring staminate growth.

Plant cells are completely different from animal cells. Grade school biology stuff.

Comparing plants and animals is simply ridiculous.

 

[tipz]

Sorry bro but STS and colloidal silver doesn't alter genes. It changes hormone ratio levels.

This is simply demonstrated after the part of the plant stops having it applied to it. It will revert back to pistillate growth on the untreated part of the branch.

STS is used as a plant preservative in the cut flower industry. This is because it reduces ethylene synthesis that is responsible for senescence. Ethylene is what stimulates undifferentiated cells to form pistillate growth. By changing the hormonal ratios to favour gibberellin it results in cells favouring staminate growth.

Plant cells are completely different from animal cells. Grade school biology stuff.

Comparing plants and animals is simply ridiculous.

There's nothing ridiculous about the symbiotic relationship and genetic similarities btw plant and man. Ill defer to squig if you don't mind.

 

[crocodile og]

There's nothing ridiculous about the symbiotic relationship and genetic similarities btw plant and man. Ill defer to squig if you don't mind.

There are massive differences between animal and plant cells.

Animal cells (apart from stem cells) are specialized and can only form what is genetically encoded into them. Ie. An ear will always be an ear, a liver cell will always be a liver cell.

Plants on the other hand have undifferentiated cells at the growing tips and under the cambium layer. These cells with the right stimulus can be manipulated into becoming any part of the plant. This is what cloning and tissue culture relies on.

Example cut your finger off. Put it in a bath of amino acids etc. It doesn't grow a new person from it. Take a cutting of a plant however stimulate it with rooting hormone keep the part that you want roots to form wet and dark and hey presto new plant.

Don't pass the buck because you're wrong.

 

[SpiderK]

what about the genetic mumbo jumbo regarding the cloning of sheep or now they grow an ear in a petri dish stem cells...... these guys have no idea what they are doing, just like fukushima with the atom .... they have no control. or all the doctors pushing pills but nobody is curing shit. it's just more drugs so you " feel " good. modern day witch doctors ....

the S1's are one in the same. IMO

you are creating the change, not pollen between a true male and female so what else happens during that process ? what is caried over from the female ?? can the proponents show studies that nothing happens in the new genetics created. every other time " man " changes something in nature, you get unexpected results.

what about germ rates or runts ect from fem's. why is it raskal and other have had so manny issues. again not bashing him but is he not the first seed maker that started selling tons of fem's. sure you have others but im talking volume over a few years & complaints have erupted across all forums.

 

[tipz]

The chemical sex trait influence u suggest established a causal link btw chemical inducement and genetic expression. Id like to hear from someone who doesn't have a personal agenda

 

[crocodile og]

what about the genetic mumbo jumbo regarding the cloning of sheep or now they grow an ear in a petri dish stem cells...... these guys have no idea what they are doing, just like fukushima with the atom .... they have no control. or all the doctors pushing pills but nobody is curing shit. it's just more drugs so you " feel " good. modern day witch doctors ....

the S1's are one in the same. IMO

you are creating the change, not pollen between a true male and female so what else happens during that process ? what is caried over from the female ?? can the proponents show studies that nothing happens in the new genetics created. every other time " man " changes something in nature, you get unexpected results.

what about germ rates or runts ect from fem's. why is it raskal and other have had so manny issues. again not bashing him but is he not the first seed maker that started selling tons of fem's. sure you have others but im talking volume over a few years & complaints have erupted across all forums.

That was a prosthetic ear not a working one. And yes ive seen the one growing on the back of the mouse too. Very specific and very different methods were used in those.

Stem cell cloning is again highly specific and very different to this discussion. The sheep are genetically identical too. No changes as are being claimed here.

I've grown quite a few fem/s1 lines and tons of regs. I've had more intersex plants from regs. From one of the biggest and well respected names in the biz too.

 

[crocodile og]

The chemical sex trait influence u suggest established a causal link btw chemical inducement and genetic expression. Id like to hear from someone who doesn't have a personal agenda

No agenda here buddy. Apart from true science.

The whole reason S1's are made is because they will be closest to the original parent. Limited genetic variation will occur due to recombination of recessive and dominant genes but that occurs in regs too. And with higher variation due to input from the male.

Your "genetic mutation" argument suggests that STS induced Bubba Kush seeds may give rise to a Nevils Haze. Quite comical.

You can pick and choose the replies if you want but you are still simply wrong.