midwestdensies
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People have misconceptions of what's head stash.
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redlife215
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Jack may offer grows bigget then most people here and also pills as nice or nicer product thename most people here. Why is that? He does t ha e a big team. So if a corp hires 10 people like jack to do a 1000 lights the quality will be as goo or better then what's on tlc collective menu and insta
MakinGoo
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But can they really hire 10 guys like Jack? When guys like Jack r very well off by them selves. .
Chrondondalae
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No offense but Jack is not the size we are talking here. He and others, myself included, are a dime a dozen in this industry now. He's just one that likes to post pics of it. His 3x 20-40 light room shops are nothing to the scale of these big entities.
Sanvanalova is right, things are moving to greenhouses with super dialed environments. I just toured one thats 4.5 acres under one roof. Still, they have some huge indoor grows that will keep pumping for a long time also. And if you all think that none of them can produce some serious dank you are very very wrong. I will keep saying, however, that their huge overheads, bureaucratic systems and mass amounts of employees keep their cost of production high imo.
There will still be a lot of different facets to this industry for a long time. There's no question though the prices are going down. Find your niche and get good and efficient at it is all I can say because if you think it's bad now just wait.
Sanvanalova is right, things are moving to greenhouses with super dialed environments. I just toured one thats 4.5 acres under one roof. Still, they have some huge indoor grows that will keep pumping for a long time also. And if you all think that none of them can produce some serious dank you are very very wrong. I will keep saying, however, that their huge overheads, bureaucratic systems and mass amounts of employees keep their cost of production high imo.
There will still be a lot of different facets to this industry for a long time. There's no question though the prices are going down. Find your niche and get good and efficient at it is all I can say because if you think it's bad now just wait.
QLTYlab
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This is the bottom line right here, passion vs. profit. Passion nugs will always win in quality and that's why the big guys will not win with this particular plant no matter how many billions they throw at it. And by win I mean effectively cut out any mom and pop/boutique competition as they try with everything. This isn't even considering any innovations that have not been discovered yet.
Stalks
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The craft brewer is making a return indeed. There will always be someone that doesn't want you're run of the mill strain or particular "brand" a corp wants to mono crop. Bud light is shit in other words
Puffntuff
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It will be just like the alcohol industry. Sure I can drink a Budweiser but that shit is nasty. I prefer a craft brewed stout. Mj will be the same way. Just not sure how they will patten certain strains but I'm sure there working on it now.
Puffntuff
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It's going to be greenhouse grown for sure. Genetics will be key to making a name and money in this industry. I'm sure some big businesses will be buying out people's entire catalog of genes. Here's to hoping the buy greenhouse and Barney's out and the solid breeders tell them to fuck off
GR33NL3AF
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Let me ask you this QLTY.... Are you someone that believes growing with synthetics cannot achieve the same greatest that someone can growing organically?
Production growing will be more easily able to reach genetics' full potential because of the money spent on proper equipment and instrumentation. There is no longer a concern for mold, mildew or bugs of any sort. The nutrient profiles will be calculated to the 'T' and the environment, CO2 and lighting will be the best offered. Explain to me how mom and dad growing under 6,000 watts can achieve better results? And there is no way you can argue that their customers wont go grab a 30 pack of Coors light (production herb) from time to time.
I agree, some facilities will fail in ways of quality and they will drop off, but, when comparing this to the beer industry, you see Budweiser and Coors making the big bucks. Sure craft breweries, like Sam Adam's and Lagunita's are doing well and the popularity is on the rise but you see the craft beer market becoming flooded too and the ability to break off a sizable chunk of that market diminishing.
GR33NL3AF
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Exactly, and patents are already being filed...
Puffntuff
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Philip Morris has owned over 80k acres in northern Cali since the early 80s. Compete with that and there lawyers. This has been a plan for years.
midwestdensies
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Soil and hippy shit ftw. Nothing tastes like soil and the vibe off organic nugs is increased. I feel both arguments were just going to have to see.
QLTYlab
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no i use synthetics myself and think they work great. We obviously will not see eye to eye on this and IMO, is representative of the schism that will be happening more in this industry. I would most definitely argue the 30pk of Coors statement because I and many others don't and will not drink a Coors or smoke midshelf nug. There are many that do though and should keep the big guys happy enough.
midwestdensies
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Great thread fwiw. I'm anxious for the future bc I've done some crazy shit for this plant. It's been returned full circle for sure.
velocity
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Here is how I see it.
The bigger corps are coming in is going to happen. There is too much money in play to keep them out. You think Monsanto or pioneer has not already has started splicing genes to give them what they want, or already cracked the geneome of the land races? You tell me wich is cheaper to buy 1L of any nute or 25L. The big corps will brew thier own all it takes is to buy a bottle of whats out there have it tested to know whats in the sauce.
Alot I see on many boards still hold the 'hippy" mantra about weed and most claim they do not grow for money. We all know that if your runing 1K your making money or trading. Even outdoors hell 1 plant to a modest knowledge person will yeild enough to keep you baked for a year. 98% of the growers do it for money and hide behind the hippy ideals that growing for profit is wrong. You realize what the bottle water market is like ?
The problem with big corps is the bottom line. For those that do not know the GPW was derived back in the 70's and most still preach and preach about it. I do not grow GPW because there are so many variables involved. I grow cost per sq ft wich makes me sit and actualy know what my costs are. How many people have you seen bash a product that cost 140$ upfront to combine with 400 gallons of water and can give an honest boost in yeild, and quality yet people bash and trash because its 135$. If you grow 9 plants yes it may not be worth it, but if your chopping 35 plants a run it will increase the bottom line.
Now about the big corps thing is this. The CEO is going to want 6 figures himself a year, the profit margin has to be double of the costs including salary. You think they are going to let strains run to thier potential? I myself run amber trich weed, they will not do that. That extra 2 weeks will cut a harvest out a year perp or not and that will not be allowed.
I say let the masses have the weed grown to its medicore potential. I will keep pumping out my true conisuer level product. Do I need to run 100 lights or a 1,000? No. Can I make a nice income on a so called small set? Yes I can. See I dont care about how much who makes off weed, I truely don't. The fact is Colorado alone is collecting about 2 mill a month off of rec tax, do the math @25% that is roughly 8 mill a month in product sold in 1 state. Take that times 50 states( 8 X50= 400 mill X 12 months- you figure it out, small hint starts with B.) You can hold the its wrong values tight as you want but the fact is big money is watching and its going to come in. It matters not what anyone thinks they are coming in soon. I will run illegal wether I am in a legal state or not.
I will grow my rock hard nugs. I will grow my buds that glitter from the trichs. I will get more for my buds than the going rate of mids because it is not mids. I say let the schwag ass weed hit the streets, and when someone wants to smoke a bowl and get really baked come see me. I have no fear of the compition because I know my product is better than the majority. I will craft grow my weed and I will charge more for it because I know that when people are nodding out from the amber trichs there willing to pay more for it.
Remember this fact. Any clown can get a piece of paper to claim anything they want to if they spent the money. You can have a harvard major with a MIT minor, does that mean you can actually do what you claim? No it does not. The true master growers will never attach that bullshit title to themselves. A true master grower is one who has spent years and years that most will never have the sack to do, Jack may offer is good example. Read his threads who has the sack to work 20 hours a day in a grow, every day, of ever week of every month for years on end. Most want the title and the glory but not at all prepared to sacrafice themselves to growing. There is no amount of money worth the dedication if you are a true grower, yet most want that million $ income to flash, when the people with the honest knowledge you would never know. The guys running ops now will keep running there ops. I seriously doubt that your going approach a guy doing his thing for years and years throw a million in his face take away his control and have him work for anyone.
The bigger corps are coming in is going to happen. There is too much money in play to keep them out. You think Monsanto or pioneer has not already has started splicing genes to give them what they want, or already cracked the geneome of the land races? You tell me wich is cheaper to buy 1L of any nute or 25L. The big corps will brew thier own all it takes is to buy a bottle of whats out there have it tested to know whats in the sauce.
Alot I see on many boards still hold the 'hippy" mantra about weed and most claim they do not grow for money. We all know that if your runing 1K your making money or trading. Even outdoors hell 1 plant to a modest knowledge person will yeild enough to keep you baked for a year. 98% of the growers do it for money and hide behind the hippy ideals that growing for profit is wrong. You realize what the bottle water market is like ?
The problem with big corps is the bottom line. For those that do not know the GPW was derived back in the 70's and most still preach and preach about it. I do not grow GPW because there are so many variables involved. I grow cost per sq ft wich makes me sit and actualy know what my costs are. How many people have you seen bash a product that cost 140$ upfront to combine with 400 gallons of water and can give an honest boost in yeild, and quality yet people bash and trash because its 135$. If you grow 9 plants yes it may not be worth it, but if your chopping 35 plants a run it will increase the bottom line.
Now about the big corps thing is this. The CEO is going to want 6 figures himself a year, the profit margin has to be double of the costs including salary. You think they are going to let strains run to thier potential? I myself run amber trich weed, they will not do that. That extra 2 weeks will cut a harvest out a year perp or not and that will not be allowed.
I say let the masses have the weed grown to its medicore potential. I will keep pumping out my true conisuer level product. Do I need to run 100 lights or a 1,000? No. Can I make a nice income on a so called small set? Yes I can. See I dont care about how much who makes off weed, I truely don't. The fact is Colorado alone is collecting about 2 mill a month off of rec tax, do the math @25% that is roughly 8 mill a month in product sold in 1 state. Take that times 50 states( 8 X50= 400 mill X 12 months- you figure it out, small hint starts with B.) You can hold the its wrong values tight as you want but the fact is big money is watching and its going to come in. It matters not what anyone thinks they are coming in soon. I will run illegal wether I am in a legal state or not.
I will grow my rock hard nugs. I will grow my buds that glitter from the trichs. I will get more for my buds than the going rate of mids because it is not mids. I say let the schwag ass weed hit the streets, and when someone wants to smoke a bowl and get really baked come see me. I have no fear of the compition because I know my product is better than the majority. I will craft grow my weed and I will charge more for it because I know that when people are nodding out from the amber trichs there willing to pay more for it.
Remember this fact. Any clown can get a piece of paper to claim anything they want to if they spent the money. You can have a harvard major with a MIT minor, does that mean you can actually do what you claim? No it does not. The true master growers will never attach that bullshit title to themselves. A true master grower is one who has spent years and years that most will never have the sack to do, Jack may offer is good example. Read his threads who has the sack to work 20 hours a day in a grow, every day, of ever week of every month for years on end. Most want the title and the glory but not at all prepared to sacrafice themselves to growing. There is no amount of money worth the dedication if you are a true grower, yet most want that million $ income to flash, when the people with the honest knowledge you would never know. The guys running ops now will keep running there ops. I seriously doubt that your going approach a guy doing his thing for years and years throw a million in his face take away his control and have him work for anyone.
R
redlife215
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I was with you for the first 2 paragraphs but u Def lost me with the mentality that the corps won't let their weed mature fully. I think there are alot of people on here that are being a lil naive, there will be 100s or 1000s of greenhouses running bomb ass genetics with horticulturists and botanists overseeing each one. They grow tomatoes on crazy advanced growing environments and even regulated and monitor the amount of sugar in the tomato to make it taste it's optimal delicousness. So why u think they won't grow weed with such expertise and care is beyond me. I would also like to think that I grow the best weed but that is ignorance. Do u really believe that they can't hire enough mexicans (no offense) that are overseen by college educated botanists to pump out a grade a product given they have grade a genetics and environment?
trippinballz
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I like the way you think, redlife. It's realistic as fuck.
Folks sitting in their illegal state rakin it in and speculating on how their "top shelf" will always sell (without effort, as it does now where they are) have no idea what is coming. (your customers will abandon you because you are only one of MANY with "top shelf")
I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago when the dispos came online and prices fell and supply lines changed that the glory road was comin to an end. Folks I knew/sold to for years who wouldn't get their card or who were too freaked out/afraid to grow all of the sudden found their nuts and started their own shit up. Others RAN to jump on the med/dispo/minimum wage bandwagon. I am feeling the sting here of a combo of playing it VERY safe for over 20 years and only having 2 folks en total over all of those years moving my product out for me. One moved to CA, the other has seen a steady decline in sales since 2010 when the dispos snuck their greedy asses into the game. I'm too old to run in the bars every niight and make the connections like I made back then....and TRUTH BE TOLD....there's just not enough cash per unit anymore for me to validate the risk as there once was. (6400 vs. 1800) LOFL. Nope. No way. Fuckin stupid shit now abounds.
Shit's different for me cus...well....I have a wife who set us up >well< with a FAT pension. On top of that, I invested most, if not all of the money I made in this game in the 80's, 90's and beyond real estate As a result, I don't have to play this new game...and am back to growing for fun and to GIVE pot to my friends so they don't end up in the stores. I can't legally sell it, but I can sure give it away.
It was fun while it lasted and the money was killer. I'd love to be 25 or 30 again physically but wow...I don't envy you guys who have no "other" skills and who think yer gonna bank this all out like happened historically....for real money/real profit. These days it's all about competition and figuring out how to make a business work on ever-shrinking incomes/takes from each unit and working for minimum wages "in the industry".
No thanks!
I'm stepping aside for the most part...other than the fact that I'll always grow my own/for friends as long as I am alive....legal or not. (it's more fun when it's illegal, trust me...heehhee)
be safe folks. The path is very well-worn but there are still hidden dangers and consequences for every/all actions.
Folks sitting in their illegal state rakin it in and speculating on how their "top shelf" will always sell (without effort, as it does now where they are) have no idea what is coming. (your customers will abandon you because you are only one of MANY with "top shelf")
I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago when the dispos came online and prices fell and supply lines changed that the glory road was comin to an end. Folks I knew/sold to for years who wouldn't get their card or who were too freaked out/afraid to grow all of the sudden found their nuts and started their own shit up. Others RAN to jump on the med/dispo/minimum wage bandwagon. I am feeling the sting here of a combo of playing it VERY safe for over 20 years and only having 2 folks en total over all of those years moving my product out for me. One moved to CA, the other has seen a steady decline in sales since 2010 when the dispos snuck their greedy asses into the game. I'm too old to run in the bars every niight and make the connections like I made back then....and TRUTH BE TOLD....there's just not enough cash per unit anymore for me to validate the risk as there once was. (6400 vs. 1800) LOFL. Nope. No way. Fuckin stupid shit now abounds.
Shit's different for me cus...well....I have a wife who set us up >well< with a FAT pension. On top of that, I invested most, if not all of the money I made in this game in the 80's, 90's and beyond real estate As a result, I don't have to play this new game...and am back to growing for fun and to GIVE pot to my friends so they don't end up in the stores. I can't legally sell it, but I can sure give it away.
It was fun while it lasted and the money was killer. I'd love to be 25 or 30 again physically but wow...I don't envy you guys who have no "other" skills and who think yer gonna bank this all out like happened historically....for real money/real profit. These days it's all about competition and figuring out how to make a business work on ever-shrinking incomes/takes from each unit and working for minimum wages "in the industry".
No thanks!
I'm stepping aside for the most part...other than the fact that I'll always grow my own/for friends as long as I am alive....legal or not. (it's more fun when it's illegal, trust me...heehhee)
be safe folks. The path is very well-worn but there are still hidden dangers and consequences for every/all actions.
Chrondondalae
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That's just it there will be big entities with schwag and big guys with dank.
This notion that "oh god it'll all be bud light and I'm a mighty MICRO brewer that grows the best" is a joke. Keep telling yourself that and it'll be the noose around your neck.
It's those of us with well proven, efficient systems who can produce premium quality at volume at a good price who will compete. What it come down to is there's more and more crap being grown every day. The more that goes to market the more the price drops. People need to eat and if there's too much in the market folks have to drop their prices to put food on the table. That's whats happening and it will happen even more whith bigger corps.
Can you sell indoor dank at schwag outdoor prices and still make a profit? I know i can. Whats going to ensure your success in the future? Better plan on something setting you apart because being a small "micro brewer" will not be enough imo if your prices don't reflect the market.
This notion that "oh god it'll all be bud light and I'm a mighty MICRO brewer that grows the best" is a joke. Keep telling yourself that and it'll be the noose around your neck.
It's those of us with well proven, efficient systems who can produce premium quality at volume at a good price who will compete. What it come down to is there's more and more crap being grown every day. The more that goes to market the more the price drops. People need to eat and if there's too much in the market folks have to drop their prices to put food on the table. That's whats happening and it will happen even more whith bigger corps.
Can you sell indoor dank at schwag outdoor prices and still make a profit? I know i can. Whats going to ensure your success in the future? Better plan on something setting you apart because being a small "micro brewer" will not be enough imo if your prices don't reflect the market.
MakinGoo
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Brand ur self & make it so people want 2 burn ur weed.. if ur weed is a bit different people will want ur weed... u see cookies everywhere but if Jigga or Cookie Fam drops there cookies it always sells out faster at a higher price.... people want it grown by certain people 2 really bring out what the strain is about..
yes im sure the big boys will take over but buds grown in a huge wearhouse will never get the special attention that a smaller grower can provide.. in a wearhouse ur gunna get a worker payed by the hr juss doing his job & nuthin els bcuz its a job not a hobby.. a smaller grower will give the plant the human attention the plant really wants..
there will always b people that want weed grown by sombody they trust..its gunna b all bout rare stains & new crosses in the future.
yes im sure the big boys will take over but buds grown in a huge wearhouse will never get the special attention that a smaller grower can provide.. in a wearhouse ur gunna get a worker payed by the hr juss doing his job & nuthin els bcuz its a job not a hobby.. a smaller grower will give the plant the human attention the plant really wants..
there will always b people that want weed grown by sombody they trust..its gunna b all bout rare stains & new crosses in the future.
Bull Trout
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USA grown Beasters.
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