Commercialization of Cannabis

[Seamaiden]

Ohhhhh Sea, we certainly advise those with deep pockets and you would not believe their inexperience with cultivating. They fight us on every aspect of the build because they have no idea... What are lumens? pH? ppms? VPD? What should my temps be? What's the difference between growing with vertical bare bulbs or horizontal? It's obvious the failure rate will match that of start-up restaurants.

Actually, yes I would because I've seen exactly that same behavior elsewhere. But the end results were fairly gruesome. I went through it when I went to work for Petco at their main distribution center in San Diego (Miramar). The veeps, who were only accustomed to handling dry goods (as in: things that don't die), wanted all kinds of impossibles done. You would not believe the numbers of dead animals I saw, and tried my best to prevent. Some of the worst instances were when they insisted, and I mean INSISTED, on bringing in 2,500 green iguanas and 2,500 spiny iguanas, in January, with absolutely no place to hold all the animals.

So the Tran brothers and me and a couple of other warehouse guys got to work. We managed to scare up some fencing, cabbaged some infrared lights that were going into the dumpster (remember, this was at their main distribution center, so we had access to a shitton of dry goods), and then we had to find a place for all of these fucking lizards. The place we found, or rather were allowed, was under the access stairs that went from the fishroom to the upstairs offices. VERY cold, very cold. We set it up, we placed as many lights as we could, we received in 5,000 iguanas (you've never seen anything like it in your life), put them into the cage and when we came back the next morning we had the first batch of several hundred to clean up.

They had piled on top of each other trying to get to the lights to keep warm. And so those that were on the bottom ended up being pressed through the fencing like English soccer fans. There was no bringing those animals back.

Just thousands upon thousands of animals, killed because the veeps and higher ups INSISTED on doing things their way, instead of the right way. I finally ended up stealing some of the few that were left to save them from the same cold fate as their brethren. At this point, I'm not ashamed to admit what I did, but if you saw what was happening you'd probably have done it, too.

It's something I'm not supposed to discuss publicly because I signed a non-disclosure agreement in order to be hired on full time (which got me benefits, etc).

So, yeah, I would indeed believe the level of inexperience you're talking about and how well that mixes with money.

I would fail the drug test...LOL

Background check would also fuck me....

I'd roll 'em up some of my hair to smoke. They wouldn't give a fuck about how well pickled I am! I pass all BG checks, though. Somehow I've managed to keep my nose very clean.

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Actually, yes I would because I've seen exactly that same behavior elsewhere. But the end results were fairly gruesome. I went through it when I went to work for Petco at their main distribution center in San Diego (Miramar). The veeps, who were only accustomed to handling dry goods (as in: things that don't die), wanted all kinds of impossibles done. You would not believe the numbers of dead animals I saw, and tried my best to prevent. Some of the worst instances were when they insisted, and I mean INSISTED, on bringing in 2,500 green iguanas and 2,500 spiny iguanas, in January, with absolutely no place to hold all the animals.

So the Tran brothers and me and a couple of other warehouse guys got to work. We managed to scare up some fencing, cabbaged some infrared lights that were going into the dumpster (remember, this was at their main distribution center, so we had access to a shitton of dry goods), and then we had to find a place for all of these fucking lizards. The place we found, or rather were allowed, was under the access stairs that went from the fishroom to the upstairs offices. VERY cold, very cold. We set it up, we placed as many lights as we could, we received in 5,000 iguanas (you've never seen anything like it in your life), put them into the cage and when we came back the next morning we had the first batch of several hundred to clean up.

They had piled on top of each other trying to get to the lights to keep warm. And so those that were on the bottom ended up being pressed through the fencing like English soccer fans. There was no bringing those animals back.

Just thousands upon thousands of animals, killed because the veeps and higher ups INSISTED on doing things their way, instead of the right way. I finally ended up stealing some of the few that were left to save them from the same cold fate as their brethren. At this point, I'm not ashamed to admit what I did, but if you saw what was happening you'd probably have done it, too.

It's something I'm not supposed to discuss publicly because I signed a non-disclosure agreement in order to be hired on full time (which got me benefits, etc).

So, yeah, I would indeed believe the level of inexperience you're talking about and how well that mixes with money.

I'd roll 'em up some of my hair to smoke. They wouldn't give a fuck about how well pickled I am! I pass all BG checks, though. Somehow I've managed to keep my nose very clean.

Wow Sea! That's fucked up! I'm glad you saved the few you did, I would have definitely done the same.

 

[fractal]

Nothing gets me more than people who abuse animals, especially the pet stores. Sorry you had to go through that Sea, must have torn your heart out.

 

[Tuku]

Perhaps corporations won't pay as much attention to the growth parameters of their plants as finnicky and passionate small scale guys, but even without that you can grow some decent fire with good genetics alone. Once investment is put into creating strains with specific profiles, that's all they'll need. When you then consider fully climate controlled GHs, that climate can be dialled perfectly for any given strain and out comes a better than average product. Most people not need A-grade nugs to get high or treat their meds issues. Most people don't know what A-grade nugs even are. And so it goes, most people don't and won't care.

 

[Tuku]

The market for homegrown top shelf buds may not disappear entirely, but the market will dwindle significantly.

 

[Green Fairy]

Has to actually be legalized first. That's not guaranteed.

 

[redlife215]

Believe me I pray everyday to keep the laws were it's at. It's just crazy to see how the times are changing

 

[markscastle]

Well I can tell you the big corps are coming! What I`m not sure about is if some small growers will be able to stick around or not, may depend on the way laws are written. I know if it`s possible I`ll be around for awhile. My family has been in it now sense 1608 and maybe longer. I`ve been growing for well over 50 years myself. I`ve made money off and on, but mostly not. But I`ve got an extensive gene pool and the big corporations won`t be getting there greedy hands on the many jewels I have for any amount of money! I never set out to be rich , just don`t want to be poor. It`s always been a hobby that supplemented my income. As I`m getting older and am disabled I`m thinking I`ll never have the energy to make it a big business now anyway. But I have a plan! If the corporations don`t allow the little guy to make a honest living along side of them I plan on flooding the market with some dank strains that I`ve been holding on to that will cause them to file bankruptcy ! They won`t have a chance in Hell! I hate corporations, but they have a place. As long as they don`t put the little guy at peril they can do business. It`s a free country.

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Well I can tell you the big corps are coming! What I`m not sure about is if some small growers will be able to stick around or not, may depend on the way laws are written. I know if it`s possible I`ll be around for awhile. My family has been in it now sense 1608 and maybe longer. I`ve been growing for well over 50 years myself. I`ve made money off and on, but mostly not. But I`ve got an extensive gene pool and the big corporations won`t be getting there greedy hands on the many jewels I have for any amount of money! I never set out to be rich , just don`t want to be poor. It`s always been a hobby that supplemented my income. As I`m getting older and am disabled I`m thinking I`ll never have the energy to make it a big business now anyway. But I have a plan! If the corporations don`t allow the little guy to make a honest living along side of them I plan on flooding the market with some dank strains that I`ve been holding on to that will cause them to file bankruptcy ! They won`t have a chance in Hell! I hate corporations, but they have a place. As long as they don`t put the little guy at peril they can do business. It`s a free country.

Well said Mark

 

[markscastle]

I word of caution . For anyone who is looking for the Holly Grail of strains , there isn`t any one strain. Everyone`s chemistry and tastes are different. There are a lot of very fine strains and we all have our favorite strains but no one strain will ever be the top dog for everyone! I know I`ve never found it anyway. I do have a top tier of great strains however. And although I hold no hope for ever finding the one and only best strain out there, I do believe there are many undiscovered jewels yet to be discovered and refined. I don`t think corporations will ever put forth the effort to carry this forward like privet breeders can do. They are only interested in making money. While making money is not evil in it`s self they are prone to greed not discovery and the art of breeding. And it`s not something that can be bought or sold!

 

[manicgrower]

Couldn't agree more my friend!

 

[chickenman]

Like sands thru the hourglass so are the days of or lives......
I will sit back and let the world do whatever.
I have created my own little world and will follow what my heart tells me to do.
Not only will I grow good smoke. We will grow good food as well and share all..
Friends know where to go, I try to treat folks like you wish to be treated, not depending on making a living growing anything, breaking even with a little extra is nice, so is freely giving away.
No commercial ops can produce veggies or weed like we do plain and simple.
So much more to life than weed anyways. Good loving, good food, love, love, love, that's what life should be all about for the short time were here.
Fuck all the worries simply live with love in heart and mind, yes we can.......
Way too complicated, the real world, best of luck, fame and fortune has a high price and is easily lost and then what??????

 

[fishwhistle]

Corporations are only as strong as you let them be,if you dont buy their particular line of crap they are selling they have no power at all.No corporation would last more than a few quarters operating in the red before shareholders would either sell or demand change,If corporate weed is not to your liking just dont buy it,enough folks do that and their out,people dont HAVE to buy their product.

 

[markscastle]

Chickenman are you sure we aren`t related of something? We seem to think in parallel most of the time! I`m still thinking of staying in the cannabis business as a side line but have the same idea as you about self sufficient organic farming. Love your posts!

 

[Bull Trout]

I word of caution . For anyone who is looking for the Holly Grail of strains , there isn`t any one strain. Everyone`s chemistry and tastes are different. There are a lot of very fine strains and we all have our favorite strains but no one strain will ever be the top dog for everyone! I know I`ve never found it anyway. I do have a top tier of great strains however. And although I hold no hope for ever finding the one and only best strain out there, I do believe there are many undiscovered jewels yet to be discovered and refined. I don`t think corporations will ever put forth the effort to carry this forward like privet breeders can do. They are only interested in making money. While making money is not evil in it`s self they are prone to greed not discovery and the art of breeding. And it`s not something that can be bought or sold!

Well said, nice post.
If the corps are as advanced and using the NASA type technology as some of the posts above elude to, we may be in for some crazy advancements. I wonder how close they are to being able to clone or replicate the genes of dried flowers. How dry do they need to be for the cells to be truly dead and uncloneable? If that technology is ever available even the boutiquest stuff will be up for grabs for the big C corps.

 

[PHEN]

Just throwing my 02. cents in here.. Funk the corporations and the NWO.. I grow to be self sufficient. I didn't know when I started learning how to grow weed that the growing bug would consume me like a virus lol.. When all that money doesn't mean anything, and the takeover happens, I hope people know how to survive ie grow ur own food.. Greed is bull, but reality as well.. Take care of u and urs, is what people should really be worrying about when it comes to the knowledge of growing anything anyway IMO.. I know the big dogs are coming, that's just common sense, but how many people prefer to eat at a mom and pops restaurant vs McDonalds.. Funk em from the bottom of my heart with all that poison they breed.. Question is can they keep up, with the awakening of the consciousness, that I hope all humans encounter;) Best vibes and keep growing everybody..

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Well said, nice post.
If the corps are as advanced and using the NASA type technology as some of the posts above elude to, we may be in for some crazy advancements. I wonder how close they are to being able to clone or replicate the genes of dried flowers. How dry do they need to be for the cells to be truly dead and uncloneable? If that technology is ever available even the boutiquest stuff will be up for grabs for the big C corps.

One company, in particular, is doing a ton of work with tissue culture and genetic rejuvenation.

 

[Capulator]

Better find that uber special strain and keep it to yourself. Then, brand it. Success! If it goes legal you may also patent the variety. Even better. Sell the seeds to homeowners and hobby growers. If Costco will provide the equipment then you can sell the seeds. No need for buying corporate weed.

Years ago I bought some herbs in Studio City for over 680/oz. when the best shit around was 400. I would pay that right now again if I could. Best shit I have ever seen/smelled/smoked. Totally unique and the dude who had it knew what he had was the golden ticket.

 

[trippinballz]

If it goes "legal" as it has in Colorado you'll have to go corporate to stay inside the law...even to sell the seed. Folks make the mistake (IMO) of trying to put the scenario they have now (unregulated, unmonitored, untaxed) in place with "legality" and sorry to say, it just isn't gonna work that way for most folks. If you wanna play these new games, you gotta lay in bed with the Gov't.

good luck all

 

[Capulator]

I think your 180 degrees off brother,they do not grow tomatoes for high sugar content and optimal deliciousness as they could care less,they monitor the sugar to keep it LOW because high sugar content(which you are correct makes a tomato taste good)makes tomatoes spoil much faster and ripen very quickly which is no good for the bottom line.What incentive do they have to grow fire when people will stand in line for Mids?Its all about the dollar for them and their not concerned with how they get there.Just look at veggie and fruit production,are they trying to grow the best and freshest or are they churning out tasteless no nutritional content GMO's that are stored in refrigerated warehouses for 6-8 months before they are artificially ripened and shipped to market?

We're talking about the same tomatoes that they pick green and then spray with chems that make them turn red on the truck on the way to the shelf right?