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Rhizosphere . Signal . Rhizobium . Agrobacterium . Quorum-sensing . Plant Hormones . Plantbacteria I

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Absolutely fascinating.......... "Quorum sensing" . New phrase for me...... We are now headed straight down the rabbit hole with no fall protection........ Oh my....... Ya I'm baked:rolleyes: Kids are here, all is well and just shutting puter down so I can go hang out. Peace
 
Absolutely fascinating.......... "Quorum sensing" . New phrase for me...... We are now headed straight down the rabbit hole with no fall protection........ Oh my....... Ya I'm baked:rolleyes: Kids are here, all is well and just shutting puter down so I can go hang out. Peace
Goldmine!!!
What Plants Talk About - Documentary:
I think the bacteria in the soil are having a similar conversation
 
I am just awestruck at the complexity of the ground under our feet. Simply amazing when you look at the whole picture. Thing is this is fairly new science and there is a lot to be learned yet. Even most research papers/researchers attest to this fact.!!!
 
Great video BTW........ @caveman4.20 Thanks
 
>>>>>>speechless<<<<<<< actually I am not, lol I usually have something to say, radishes must have something I'm supposed to learn from. I say this because back when I used to pay attention to my root balls through transplants, cullings, and harvest I smelt radishes in the root balls of the what I called my "best plants"
 
Here is a better description of "Quorom Sensing"

See link for full paper.

Given the complex interactions among
plant roots and mutualistic, commensal, and
pathogenic rhizosphere microbes, it follows
that the rhizosphere resounds with a cacophony
of chemical signals. Information is transmitted
by secretion of diverse compounds
mediating biofilm formation, infection of
roots, and modulation of plant immune
response pathways. Likewise, misinformation
is spread among competing populations of
bacteria, by pathogenic microbes interfering
with host defense signaling, and possibly
by plant roots to disrupt biofilm formation
or root colonization by harmful microbes.
(Barnard et al., 2007; Holtsmark et al., 2007;
Huยจ ckelhoven, 2007; Morris and Monier, 2003;
Pieterse and Dicke, 2007; Ryan et al., 2008;
Somers et al., 2004; Vinale et al., 2008; Williams,
2007). Bacteria use quorum sensing (QS) to regulate
gene expression in response to their population
size.

Each member of the population
constitutively secretes a signaling molecule,
which builds up in the environment, eventually
reaches some threshold concentration, and
activates genes for such functions as bioluminescence,
virulence, or biofilm formation. A wide
variety of QS signaling molecules have been
described. These include peptides (generally
5-20 amino acids in length), acylhomoserine lactones
(AHLs), alkylquinolones, a group of furanones
referred to as autoinducer-2 (AI-2), and
diverse others (Chen et al., 2002; Williams,
2007). Some of these signals appear to be species-specific,
while some are sensed more generally,
allowing communication between bacterial
species. In fact, plants can recognize bacterial signals,
and thereby alter their gene expression
in response to the presence of specific species of
bacteria (Mathesius et al., 2003). Conversely, rhizosphere
bacteria respond to a variety of plantproduced
signals, such as salicylic acid (Yuan
et al., 2007), and it has been proposed that the
plant hormone, indole acetic acid (IAA), may act
as a QS signal in bacteria (Lambrecht et al.,
2000). Rhizobia show chemotactic responses to
nanomolar concentrations of legume-produced
phenolics (Somers et al., 2004). Furthermore,
many rhizosphere bacteria manufacture plant
hormones (Pieterse and Dicke, 2007; Ryan et al.,
2007), and some plants produce analogs of AHLs Au4
(Somers et al., 2004; Teplitski et al., 2000). Competing
bacterial species produce enzymes, such
as AHL-degrading lactonases, that degrade each
otherโ€™s QS signals (Somers et al., 2004). Despite
the number of published studies, the full extent
and complexity of communication among the
many inhabitants of the rhizosphere is still only
partially understood.
 
I am just awestruck at the complexity of the ground under our feet. Simply amazing when you look at the whole picture. Thing is this is fairly new science and there is a lot to be learned yet. Even most research papers/researchers attest to this fact.!!!
How did you like the part in the video were the narrator compared the plant roots to a hunting predator, and is it not fascinating that roots stop growing once they find what their looking for? Talk about an aha moment when they started searching again once the plant was content and waste exudated<<< is that a word? Maybe exuded any how
This life in the soil is why I learn what not to do instead of learning what to do.
I Dont Know If THAT Makes Sense but I basically have faith ( in GOD) that the soil is doing what it has been designed to do by our creator, and my Job is to not go an mess things up ;^}
 
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Amen to that @caveman4.20 . Things only seem to get out of balance when WE think we know better and interfere. WE are the ones throwing this beautiful globe of ours out of balance.
 
Amen to that @caveman4.20 . Things only seem to get out of balance when WE think we know better and interfere. WE are the ones throwing this beautiful globe of ours out of balance.
It's no secret right........there is a saying that I will so boldly defy;
They say the biggest illusion the devil ever created was/is that he the devil never existed well its not ,
The biggest illusion the devil's working on as we speak is that God is an illusion and that God never existed.


Our peers may be asking themselves how is this relative to pot,
This is how
We think we grow pot, wrong, pot grows us!

Our creator designed us so resilient that we may survive our own demise perhaps even the demise of our mother earth!
 
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It's no secret right........there is a saying that I will so boldly defy;
They say the biggest illusion the devil ever created was/is that he the devil never existed well its not ,
The biggest illusion the devil's working on as we speak is that God is an illusion and that God never existed.


Our peers may be asking themselves how is this revelation to pot,
This is how
We think we grow pot, wrong, pot grows us!

Our creator design us so resilient that we may survive our own demise perhaps even the demise of our mother earth!
Love and faith conquers all, even, pythium!
 
Well then giving props where props are due. Noble!!! Thanks caveman4.20 said: โ†‘

It's no secret right........there is a saying that I will so boldly defy;
They say the biggest illusion the devil ever created was/is that he the devil never existed well its not ,
The biggest illusion the devil's working on as we speak is that God is an illusion and that God never existed.


Our peers may be asking themselves how is this revelation to pot,
This is how
We think we grow pot, wrong, pot grows us!

Our creator design us so resilient that we may survive our own demise perhaps even the demise of our mother earth!

Love and faith conquers all, even, pythium!@MrBanjo
My phone is Trippn

But ya great thread I'm loving your exploration and effort to share and provoke interest!
 
Part that gets me is I thought I knew it all!!!!!, when it came to plants and farmin. But the more I am around the less I know. Feel like a little kid in the candy store when it comes to plant and soil science. I'm like a sponge, just soaking it all up. Thanks for your positive vibes and interest bro. Thanks to all you farmers, I would not be where I am at today, without the sharing of knowledge you all bring to the table.

Peace & Goodwill to all men and to Mother Earth, she is the one that sustains us!!! "Mitakuye Oyasin"
 
Some more on QS and study was done with a sativa

Quorum quenching is an antivirulence strategy employed by endophytic bacteria.

Endophyte: An endophyte is an endosymbiont, often a bacterium or fungus, that lives within a plant for at least part of its life without causing apparent disease.[1][2] Endophytes are ubiquitous and have been found in all the species of plants studied to date; however, most of these endophyte/plant relationships are not well understood.[3][4] Endophytes are also known to occur within lichens[5] and algae. Many economically important grasses (e.g., Festuca spp., Loliumspp., Zea) carry fungal endophytes some of which may enhance host growth,[6] may improve the plant's ability to tolerate abiotic stresses such as drought, as well as improve their resistance to insect and mammalianherbivores.[7][8][9]


Author information




    • 1Department of Biochemical and Chemical Engineering, TU Dortmund, Emil-Figge-Str. 66, 44227, Dortmund, Germany.
Abstract
Bacteria predominantly use quorum sensing to regulate a plethora of physiological activities such as cell-cell crosstalk, mutualism, virulence, competence, biofilm formation, and antibiotic resistance. In this study, we investigated how certain potent endophytic bacteria harbored in Cannabis sativa L. plants use quorum quenching as an antivirulence strategy to disrupt the cell-to-cell quorum sensing signals in the biosensor strain, Chromobacterium violaceum.

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromobacterium_violaceum)

We used a combination of high-performance liquid chromatography high-resolution mass spectrometry (HPLC-ESI-HRMS(n)) and matrix-assisted laser desorption ionization imaging high-resolution mass spectrometry (MALDI-imaging-HRMS) to first quantify and visualize the spatial distribution of the quorum sensing molecules in the biosensor strain, C. violaceum. We then showed, both quantitatively and visually in high spatial resolution, how selected endophytic bacteria of C. sativa can selectively and differentially quench the quorum sensing molecules of C. violaceum. This study provides fundamental insights into the antivirulence strategies used by endophytes in order to survive in their ecological niches. Such defense mechanisms are evolved in order to thwart the plethora of pathogens invading associated host plants in a manner that prevents the pathogens from developing resistance against the plant/endophyte bioactive secondary metabolites. This work also provides evidence towards utilizing endophytes as tools for biological control of bacterial phytopathogens. In continuation, such insights would even afford new concepts and strategies in the future for combating drug resistant bacteria by quorum-inhibiting clinical therapies.

PMID:

24846733

[PubMed - in process]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24846733
 
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Some more on QS and study was done with a sativa

Quorum quenching is an antivirulence strategy employed by endophytic bacteria.

Endophyte: An endophyte is an endosymbiont, often a bacterium or fungus, that lives within a plant for at least part of its life without causing apparent disease.[1][2] Endophytes are ubiquitous and have been found in all the species of plants studied to date; however, most of these endophyte/plant relationships are not well understood.[3][4] Endophytes are also known to occur within lichens[5] and algae. Many economically important grasses (e.g., Festuca spp., Loliumspp., Zea) carry fungal endophytes some of which may enhance host growth,[6] may improve the plant's ability to tolerate abiotic stresses such as drought, as well as improve their resistance to insect and mammalianherbivores.[7][8][9]


Author information




    • 1Department of Biochemical and Chemical Engineering, TU Dortmund, Emil-Figge-Str. 66, 44227, Dortmund, Germany.
Abstract
Bacteria predominantly use quorum sensing to regulate a plethora of physiological activities such as cell-cell crosstalk, mutualism, virulence, competence, biofilm formation, and antibiotic resistance. In this study, we investigated how certain potent endophytic bacteria harbored in Cannabis sativa L. plants use quorum quenching as an antivirulence strategy to disrupt the cell-to-cell quorum sensing signals in the biosensor strain, Chromobacterium violaceum.

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromobacterium_violaceum)

We used a combination of high-performance liquid chromatography high-resolution mass spectrometry (HPLC-ESI-HRMS(n)) and matrix-assisted laser desorption ionization imaging high-resolution mass spectrometry (MALDI-imaging-HRMS) to first quantify and visualize the spatial distribution of the quorum sensing molecules in the biosensor strain, C. violaceum. We then showed, both quantitatively and visually in high spatial resolution, how selected endophytic bacteria of C. sativa can selectively and differentially quench the quorum sensing molecules of C. violaceum. This study provides fundamental insights into the antivirulence strategies used by endophytes in order to survive in their ecological niches. Such defense mechanisms are evolved in order to thwart the plethora of pathogens invading associated host plants in a manner that prevents the pathogens from developing resistance against the plant/endophyte bioactive secondary metabolites. This work also provides evidence towards utilizing endophytes as tools for biological control of bacterial phytopathogens. In continuation, such insights would even afford new concepts and strategies in the future for combating drug resistant bacteria by quorum-inhibiting clinical therapies.

PMID:

24846733

[PubMed - in process]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24846733

Understanding the language of Volatiles is my whole life mate. What is even more mental, I might be able to use them to take over the world and everyone would just agree without knowing why
 
Over here we have been separating biology based on elemental mobilisation. I have now an N a P a K an S a Zn which can be added alongside the element itself. I pre stage my PK via direct P and K biological inoculation, 48 hours later I apply PK or I make a brew and use together.
Now I have this, I am beginning to look more intimately at the VOCs offered, say Butanediol or other. Its a case of understanding the range in many cases. I know what the VOC is, but then making up a direct applicable solution that can be legally bottled is another thing. It may be the only way we can ever get these to market is on the bodies of microbes
 
Elemental mobilisation & setting the table for your brew? Care to tell us more? Specifically interested in how to cultivate/attract and inoculate cannabis-specific Rhyzobia.
 
Elemental mobilisation & setting the table for your brew? Care to tell us more? Specifically interested in how to cultivate/attract and inoculate cannabis-specific Rhyzobia.
I find MJ isnt too fussy in who it forms relationships with so long as the quality of the inoculate is high and there is enough organic matter. As such, we have been able to locate strains which specialize in say P or K or N, S, Fe, etc etc and keep these in there own groups rather than lumping them all in to one product. if we dont need more xyx, then we can leave out the types that might encourage this uptake in preference for more types we do need.
In the case of S, we can use an S based bacteria before of after heavy rainfall to limit the loss to leaching. We can tinker with biology to increase xyz as and when and we can now do this based on a per element, not on a carpet bomb model.
Bacteria seem less interested in the plant, more in the matter, they will follow diffusing elements like a dog.
If I am thinking about my plants cycle, I can begin to think about adding more or less of one type of biology over another. based on an increasing demand. By pre stage this is what I am refering too, I know what my cycle is and so I have a slot where PK works best.
 
My mind is blown.....while it's in pieces I wanted to ask what you guys think of atmospheric nitrogen and nitrogen fixing microbes....so is ther atmospheric phosphorous and atmospheric potassium and are there phosphorus and potassium fixing microbes? My mind is all so volatile so even if I get it, it won't stay with me long....
 
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