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SACRAMENTO — The California Assembly approved a $1 billion plan Thursday to bring immediate relief for communities hit hardest by the drought and to move long-term water projects along more quickly.

Gov. Jerry Brown and legislative leaders announced the plan last week, and it now heads to the governor for final approval. The Senate approved the plan Wednesday.

Most of the money — $660 million — would move along flood protection projects from a nearly decade-old bond set to expire next year.

Brown said last week that the flood protection money is necessary to prepare the state for extreme weather patterns associated with climate change and the chance that storms could cause havoc on hard, dry land.


California is well into its fourth year of drought, and the Sierra snowpack is near record lows, meaning runoff into reservoirs this summer will be minimal.

The plan includes $75 million in immediate aid to provide emergency drinking water, to protect fish and wildlife, and for food assistance — including for farmworkers whose hours were cut because of the drought.

The legislation also lets the state dip into the $7.5 billion water bond voters passed in November to spend $272 million of it on water recycling and desalination projects, and improving the quality of drinking water.

“This bill will obviously not solve the drought,” said Assemblywoman Shirley Weber, D-San Diego. “But it is an important first step this year in our continuing efforts to address the urgent needs brought on by the extreme drought.”

In addition to the $1 billion authorized by AB91, the Legislature passed a companion bill, AB92, on Thursday that grants additional authority to the Department of Fish and Wildlife to allow the agency to issue fines for improper water diversions, such as those by illegal marijuana growers.


Republicans opposed the new authority, saying it broadly expanded Fish and Wildlife powers, including allowing the agency to issue fines of $8,000 per day without the ability for an impartial hearing.

“What this bill now does, it says the Department of Fish and Wildlife is both the prosecutor and the judge,” said Assembly Republican Leader Kristin Olsen of Modesto. “That’s not proper due process. … It’s just un-American.”

Democrats said the measure was necessary to ensure the state wasn’t turning a blind eye to people illegally taking water from streams and rivers.


Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, said the state has procedures to ensure that agencies allow for due process.

Republicans also raised concerns about a non-drought-related item in AB91 that approves a labor agreement to increase pay for prison psychologists and social workers who perform extra duties related to mentally ill inmates. The agreement was required by a federal court order, but Republicans contended the drought bills were not the right vehicle for its approval.


“What does that have to do with the drought?” asked Assemblyman Donald Wagner, R-Irvine. “This is something that happens all too often and shouldn’t. Miscellaneous stuff, stuff some of us might consider poison pills, gets thrown into a bill that it doesn’t really relate to at the last minute, looking to jam people up. … I would urge my colleagues on the other side of the aisle as we go forward this year to keep our legislation clean.”

Atkins said it was added to the emergency legislation because it was an immediate budget need.

“It’s not hidden; it’s in the language,” she said.

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Legislature-approves-1-billion-drought-package-6161188.php

I've been saying for a while now that if "we" don't regulate ourselves, someone's gonna do the regulatin' for us. Now look at what's being done, all because growers won't regulate themselves. Nicely played.
 
possibly related here or of interest relating to this:

http://rt.com/usa/242077-farmers-sell-water-california/

'The price is double what the Metropolitan Water District, which provides water from Los Angeles to San Diego County, paid five years ago as the state goes through its fourth year of serious drought.
We’re going to make a lot more selling the water than planting the rice,” Lance Tennis, whose family owns about 900 acres of farmland 80 miles north of Sacramento, told NBC News. “This is a huge deal.

Rice farmers were amazed when they were offered $500 per acre foot last year only to see that this year they are being offered $700. The new price means growers will earn a lot more money on the fields they don’t plant, making water itself the real cash crop in California.'
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"Last week, NASA’s top water scientist said California only has about one year’s worth of water left in storage, and its groundwater – often used as a backup for reservoirs and other reserves – is rapidly depleting. He suggested immediately rationing water."
 
The california dept of fish and wildlife has seen a hostile takeover in the last few years by radical environmentalists,They are anti hunting/fishing and they would prefer we not be allowed in any wilderness areas period.If they have their way they will be closing vast tracts of land by any means neccesary to any human use.Giving these guys ANY more powers is a mistake because they will use them to reach their ultimate goals which are not based on science but instead on their radical beleifs.
 
sounds liek in the next few years its going to be a very tough time for anyone in that area to grow anything...prices of weed should sky rocket, and if they dont, alot of farmers will be out of business
 
The california dept of fish and wildlife has seen a hostile takeover in the last few years by radical environmentalists,They are anti hunting/fishing and they would prefer we not be allowed in any wilderness areas period.If they have their way they will be closing vast tracts of land by any means neccesary to any human use.Giving these guys ANY more powers is a mistake because they will use them to reach their ultimate goals which are not based on science but instead on their radical beleifs.
You mean a la Drakes Bay Oyster Co? Those were feds, too, IIRC, not state people. All that said, I personally know growers up north who draw from surface water sources, to the point they stop running. And I know we've all read people whose attitudes are basically "what's mine is mine!" and no further thought is given. Here I sit, not taking a lot of meds, enduring hot flashes, etc, because I don't want to have that environmental impact. I grow less, not more, because of the water issue. I feel I take some personal responsibility for and with the resources I depend upon, and it's something I feel strongly everyone should be doing, ever since Silent Spring.

@MGRox -- I find it FASCINATING that Metro LA DWP is making this move. The city of La Habra Heights owns a MASSIVE well that sits right in the middle of the LA basin. Well over 4,000 acre-feet of water is in that thar well. The city makes money selling the water to other local cities in Orange County (that was the water council seat I ran for many years ago).


sounds liek in the next few years its going to be a very tough time for anyone in that area to grow anything...prices of weed should sky rocket, and if they dont, alot of farmers will be out of business

The result will be that we'll see prices of certain commodity crops going up. A lot less exportation will occur, which will affect international shipping. Other countries will pick up California's slack in this regard, and in the meantime, other states with strong agriculture that aren't affected by drought will probably see a resurgence in ag, hopefully small farms, that will step up to feed us.

OR! We'll simply import even more food, because it's easier if not more ridiculous.


I got into a bit of a debate with another cat on FB over this. He claims that it's wineries that are "taking all of California's water," so me being me I decided to do some research. The biggest draws of water in this state are via agriculture, so what are the crops being watered? Primarily number one is alfalfa, then pasture, then tree crops starting with almonds. THEN come the vintners. Obviously, cannabis wasn't rated in these particular studies, but I sure would like to know where good quality OD might land.


The long and the short of it, in my opinion, is this--we must all take responsibility for our impact. That means no pointing fingers at others and saying, "Well don't look at what I'm doing cuz others are doin' it, too, Mom!" (I can't stand that shit, to be honest, there is no worse reason for your own poor behavior.) It also means that we voters need to be a lot more intelligent about how we go about doing things, like voting in propositions that don't help us collectively, but guarantee help for big ag, industry and businesses (a la Prop 1). In the meantime, we've still got loads of people who debate whether or not there's even a problem, saying things like we've got plenty of fresh water (yeah? where's it at? Have you priced out towing a boat that's been stranded, let alone trying to tow a damn iceburg????) along with the finger pointing. None of it absolves anyone of their own wrongdoing in my world.

This is why I continue to do experiments with water saving techniques and am talking to as many people about that as I can. I was a bit disheartened when I learned that hydroponic cultivation uses LESS water than soil cultivation, but ya know what? If that's how it is, that's how it is. I will now learn how to cultivate terrestrial plants using water-borne methods. For as long as I've got water, at least.
 
I saw on tv somewhere they even had rules about collecting rain water from your roof because it made for less runoff back into rivers and lakes.gov regulation is out of control .but i dont understand cali's problem like you guys because im not there.we are surrounded by fresh water here and outdoor pot plants dont require nearly as much water during our od season.
 
I got into a bit of a debate with another cat on FB over this. He claims that it's wineries that are "taking all of California's water," so me being me I decided to do some research. The biggest draws of water in this state are via agriculture, so what are the crops being watered? Primarily number one is alfalfa, then pasture, then tree crops starting with almonds. THEN come the vintners. Obviously, cannabis wasn't rated in these particular studies, but I sure would like to know where good quality OD might land.

An outdoor plant consumes at least as much water as a vine, if not more. Average water use for a vine in the Central Valley is 8-10 gallons per day - I have seen other local estimates for here in Mendocino that put it at 5-15 gallons per day per vine.

The amount for both crops varies a lot though. For example grapes can be dry farmed, requiring no additional irrigation, but cannabis cannot, at least in California's climate. When dry farmed grapes obviously have a FAR lower impact than cannabis. However, the value of the product produced on a single vine is a fraction of what a single cannabis plant produces so that should be considered as well. One vine produces on average enough grapes for 10 bottles of wine. One small cannabis plant can easily produce enough smoke to last event the heaviest of tokers for a year - far more bang for your buck (or water). The size of the plant also has a huge impact - a cannabis plant that is 4' wide and 6' tall will consume far less than one that is 12' tall and 14' wide.

For example the 30 gallon pots I run in my greenhouse for light deps use only a few gallons a day, even in summer - I estimated about 3-6 gallons per day depending on weather. However, they also don't produce a whole lot since they are always small - an average of 12 oz off a 3' x 3' plant.

My largest outdoor plants used 30-50 gallons per day - but they were also 12-14' tall and 12-16' wide and produced 10-15 times more yield than the greenhouse plants. So 10 times as much water with the big outdoor plants, but also 10 times or more production.

If you live in a hot climate, you are going to use a lot of water to grow outdoor. There are many ways to reduce your use - such as growing in raised beds instead of smart pots, adding lots of organic matter to your soil to increase water holding capacity, using mulch, using drip irrigation, and doing smaller, more frequent waterings rather than infrequent heavy waterings.
 
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Oh and I should point out that the 30-50 gallons per day is at the peak usage time. At the end of summer/early fall when it is still hot as hell and the plants are at their maximum size. Obviously they don't use that much right when they get planted - they are much smaller and the weather is cooler in May and June.
 
Meanwhile at the Nestle water bottling plant in Sacramento.......

It's almost Tank Girl time folks!

Gmcdowell006
 
We're looking a total sum game here. We can bitch a blue streak about Nestle, but if Californians continue to vote in the very politicians who are guaranteeing outfits like Nestle (do we leave out the love for other gross water wasters here? Again, not in my world! Granite Bay, anyone?), practically in perpetuity. And, how smart are we, REALLY, when we vote in tripe like Prop 1 that guarantees outfits like Nestle water that WE are going to pay to harvest and sequester? I personally find the disconnect astonishing.
There are many ways to reduce your use - such as growing in raised beds instead of smart pots, adding lots of organic matter to your soil to increase water holding capacity, using mulch, using drip irrigation, and doing smaller, more frequent waterings rather than infrequent heavy waterings.
MANY ways, and my own goal is to achieve an even greater reduction in overall water usage. I've discovered that as I chop back the rye grass, I'm building forage (and root structure) in a manner that will sequester more water.

The long and the short of it is that we're running a zero sum game and once the water's gone, it is.
 
Ag is also not being restricted here, and that's a problem, as is big industry.. basically anyone with a political voice. Which means not residents. Let's not forget that we idiot Californians voted in Prop 1, which means we've guaranteed all those entities MORE water rights and sequestration, but on OUR collective dime instead of theirs. That's what we get for not reading the fucking ballot. This is gonna hurt.
 
meanwhile my landlord has over 30 spriklers set up on 5 zones that run for 3 minutes each to water a lawn full of weeds cause he just trows down cheap grass seed and i have to pay for the water which puts me in a new bracket. hes got these things set up to run 2xs a day on mon weds and friday. and all i can see is such a waste of water its got to be over 100 gallons a week.
 
meanwhile my landlord has over 30 spriklers set up on 5 zones that run for 3 minutes each to water a lawn full of weeds cause he just trows down cheap grass seed and i have to pay for the water which puts me in a new bracket. hes got these things set up to run 2xs a day on mon weds and friday. and all i can see is such a waste of water its got to be over 100 gallons a week.
If he's on muni water, that shit's gonna stop real quick.
 
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Legislature-approves-1-billion-drought-package-6161188.php

I've been saying for a while now that if "we" don't regulate ourselves, someone's gonna do the regulatin' for us. Now look at what's being done, all because growers won't regulate themselves. Nicely played.

I have been watching a series of late on Pivot TV on cable about the dire straits the US and other countries around the world will find themselves in if we dont find a better way to manage our precious water resources. We are reaching critical mass with the problem of clean potable water and when mother earth throws out weather related droughts it really exacerbates the problem. If any of you have access to "Pivot" channel check the series on water out. Very informative a must see for those concerned about the direction our planet is heading concerning clean potable water. There will come a time when water will eclipse oil in its value and wars and conflicts will be waged over water rights. Mark my words it is coming down the pike. On a positive note, it isn't too late to put in place the changes we need to come up with a better system and way of managing our water resources. So there is Hope.
 
+1 @jumpincactus about the future value of water. Heh, seems it's going rather well; considering how many people buy / consume bottled water nowadays. Gets people used to paying for it and all.

No worries though; I've gotcha covered out there in CA.
Mega hose

I've got a faucet hooked up. Now I just need a bit more hose and we can get you guys setup with plenty of water. :D
 
+1 @jumpincactus about the future value of water. Heh, seems it's going rather well; considering how many people buy / consume bottled water nowadays. Gets people used to paying for it and all.

No worries though; I've gotcha covered out there in CA.
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I've got a faucet hooked up. Now I just need a bit more hose and we can get you guys setup with plenty of water. :D
LOL, @MGRox That is too funny bro. thanks for looking out :rolleyes:
 
meanwhile my landlord has over 30 spriklers set up on 5 zones that run for 3 minutes each to water a lawn full of weeds cause he just trows down cheap grass seed and i have to pay for the water which puts me in a new bracket. hes got these things set up to run 2xs a day on mon weds and friday. and all i can see is such a waste of water its got to be over 100 gallons a week.
Sabotage my friend.
 
meanwhile my landlord has over 30 spriklers set up on 5 zones that run for 3 minutes each to water a lawn full of weeds cause he just trows down cheap grass seed and i have to pay for the water which puts me in a new bracket. hes got these things set up to run 2xs a day on mon weds and friday. and all i can see is such a waste of water its got to be over 100 gallons a week.

Sabotage my friend.

all it takes is a lil power spike to the time clock and that water will not run.show me the clock and ill tell you which two wires to touch to the com port :) most of them are 24v so you dont even need gloves lmao.
but if he just fertilized like he should he could cut down the watering by half or more.build those roots with scotts turf builder in spring.i just hate seeing people water shitty lawns like crazy instead of taking care of it the right way.
 
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