Most People Think They Grow Organic Indoors

  • Thread starter Jbud7420
  • Start date
  • Tagged users None
Jbud7420

Jbud7420

29
3
Jbud7420 said:
Didn't start this to argue at all just to learn about others methods. Tuff forum. But great likeminded people. Bless all.
Click to expand...
Thanks for all your great responces. Hope everyone and myself can learn more from all you great growers.peace
 
A

artcore

76
18
The general idea is that there are two ways to grow, organic or not organic, but actually there are three, biological, organic, salts, the way we feed plants defines the category, we can feed plants with salts/chemical, we can feed plants with organic products or we can feed plants with life

When I say that I grow organic indoor it is not because I have a super soil full of life, is because I only feed my babes with organic products (bio terra plus+fishmix+biobloom+topdressings+teas+molasses)

In Europe the major supermarkets make this distinction in fruits and vegetables that they sell, they have small stands for biological products and other stands for organic products and then have the remaining fruits and vegetables.
 
Bannacis

Bannacis

1,238
163
Jbud7420 said:
Try

a true organic grow consisit of alot more beneficial organisms. Indoor theres not time for what you need to break down for a true organic run. Speaking for my knowledge not anyone else. Peace. Do ur own thing and learn from other & figure out what works in your situation.
Click to expand...

There is organics and there is True living organics. True living organics is feeding the soil not the plant.
You can grow organic with organic nutes. and if you have compost and cook your soil and put it in a pot....its organic growing
 
Bannacis

Bannacis

1,238
163
Blaze said:
I would tend to agree with JBud, organic indoor is an oxymoron. There is nothing environmentally friendly or organic about running thousands of watts of power to grow something. Even if you are on solar, the total amount of resources needed to construct and indoor grow compared to a greenhouse or outdoor garden makes for a much larger environmental impact.

As more and more states go legal I think indoor production will become a thing of the past, except in areas where it remains illegal. Indoor is a far to inefficient and wasteful system of growing anything to be viable in the long term. Cannabis is the only crop you will ever see grown in this manner, and that is only viable due to it's overly inflated value because of it's legal status.
Click to expand...

organic has nothing to do with how many watts of power.... and cannabis is not the only plant grown indoors.
 
Bannacis

Bannacis

1,238
163
artcore said:
If the idea is to be radical then no one grows organically, only nature can grow organically, only plants growing in the wild are 100% organic because they were never touched by human hands or by any human influence
Click to expand...

what does being touched by human hands or human influence have to do with organic.
maybe Naturally is the word...
 
Junk

Junk

1,754
263
Jbud7420 said:
Didn't start this to argue at all just to learn about others methods. Tuff forum. But great likeminded people. Bless all.
Click to expand...

You think this forum is tough? This forum has the least assholes per capita than any other forum on any topic.

But it's all good bro. Don't think because you had a tiff in this thread, that people will follow you around & give you a hard time. People just disagree with you on this subject. I've had strong disagreements with @DrFever But the guy can grow a mighty fine plant, there is no denying that. I pm'd him when I had an especially large plant I wanted a second opinion on, he was downright hospitable. You have an opinion, & so do they. In the future though, words like B.S. tend to escalate emotions, so if you can think of a better way to phrase something, that can help. But I don't think you have made any enemies.

Myself, I was indoor organic for more than a year. But I am outdoor organic with fruit trees, veggies, berry patches,..you name a common food, chances are, I grow it.

So I have 5 compost bins, from which I would take the soil add organic amendments etc. Although I agree with you that in the end, saying the product was absolutely organic, eh, it's close.

I don't understand what being inside or outside has to do with it though? The fact that the light is artificial? That's where I lose you.

If I sold product (I don't, I'm a med user) what I grew before, I wouldn't sell it as 100% organic. But it was about as close as you are going to get.

But organic or not, I switched to hydro, & I'll never look back. Soil is so much work. Organic soil is a TON of work. & to tell you the truth, having tried both extensively, I prefer the hydro product. To me, taste, smell, smoothicity lol, potency & yield are all better. Why am I growing a 3rd nut for organic, when in my opinion, hydro is better in every possible way?

The plant metabolizes most of what is in whatever medium, so it's not as though using a singular non organic product is going to be noticeable in the end product. With this particular product, I just don't want any pesticides or the like put on it. I don't foliar feed for this reason. The plants metabolism, acts as a filter of sorts. But if you are hitting it with pesticides etc from the outside, the plant has little means to metabolize that. That is what I really don't want.
 
ken dog

ken dog

1,699
263
Bannacis said:
There is organics and there is True living organics. True living organics is feeding the soil not the plant.
You can grow organic with organic nutes. and if you have compost and cook your soil and put it in a pot....its organic growing
Click to expand...

Feeding the soil, is the same thing as saying that you are feeding the microbes.
There is no difference.
 
Junk

Junk

1,754
263
Bannacis said:
what does being touched by human hands or human influence have to do with organic.
Click to expand...

Nothing. He is (wrongly) extending the definition of organic.

So if a plant in the wild was touched by a deer, is it no longer organic? What about a bear, a raccoon, or a human? If it is still organic, can someone explain to me the difference between the mammals that renders one plant organic, & one not?

At the supermarket, if you pick up some organic apples (assume they are truly organic) that someone else had touched, are they no longer organic?

Seamaiden said:
You're not addressing erosion, or watersheds, or habitat, or pollinators or buffers or any of that. At all.
Click to expand...

You know I love you, (does your husband know? nm) but none of that has anything to do with being organic. A loose definition of organic just means naturally occuring (& I believe carbon based applies to earthly material) compounds that can be found in nature. You can bring them & use them anywhere you like. The light source, that's debatable. I think of it as more of an energy source. Because the sun, while being organic where it sits, by the time it reaches us is simply energy. Is it no longer organic to use another energy/light source? (I can see both sides of that one)

What you are talking about, to me, falls more under the definition of "Environmentally Friendly," not, organic.
 
Last edited:
lino

lino

2,637
263
I get what Jbud trying to say. He's got his point, BUT you're wrong jBud, by USDA definition of organic. We have websters def on Organic and then you're wrong again, anyway you define 'organic' Jbud is wrong. Period end of story.
BUT for purist definition you think you're rite jBud until some guy pulls a wild ass weed off the river bank. There comes a point where a little organic pest control help and organic nutes help. But organics is poison dude!... most dont know it but you can get yourself very sick with organics. Case in point, look on the bag of ORGANIC FoxFarm soil, says it causes cancer and is full metals that I wouldnt handle without rubber gloves, scary to digest or alvoli transfer. CO2 in high levels is not found in nature. So CO2 rooms could be Organic by any definition. Not sure but I think the brick in pic above is organic but not your best grow medium. Its all about the Flush. But I'm with jBud, if my shit dont have some spidermites, ladygug and maybe a hopper or 2 then I leery to smoke it cause I know how you get large quantities of bug free bud, scary to consume but looks pretty. Even buy true definition your tap water thru a filter could not be considered Organic if you want to get techy on me....
 
Junk

Junk

1,754
263
lino said:
I get what Jbud trying to say. He's got his point, BUT you're wrong jBud, by USDA definition of organic. We have websters def on Organic and then you're wrong again, anyway you define 'organic' Jbud is wrong. Period end of story.
BUT for purist definition you think you're rite jBud until some guy pulls a wild ass weed off the river bank. There comes a point where a little organic pest control help and organic nutes help. But organics is poison dude!... most dont know it but you can get yourself very sick with organics. Case in point, look on the bag of ORGANIC FoxFarm soil, says it causes cancer and is full metals that I wouldnt handle without rubber gloves, scary to digest or alvoli transfer. CO2 in high levels is not found in nature. So CO2 rooms could be Organic by any definition. Not sure but I think the brick in pic above is organic but not your best grow medium. Its all about the Flush. But I'm with jBud, if my shit dont have some spidermites, ladygug and maybe a hopper or 2 then I leery to smoke it cause I know how you get large quantities of bug free bud, scary to consume but looks pretty. Even buy true definition your tap water thru a filter could not be considered Organic if you want to get techy on me....
Click to expand...

& if you are using town water (as opposed to a well), it's def not organic.

& I think FF is organic, because it comes complete with aphids & mites!
 
lino

lino

2,637
263
Most dont understand how to organic in colo... it so easy once you understand and its free... Find an area with approx 8-10 human editable weed salad plants. Keep your plant "less the 2.5' " lots of water from the river. thats all you need the bugs to the rest of the work.... Odd to watch people poison their shit under those lamp that cost so much .
 
Junk

Junk

1,754
263
That's why I gave it up. It's a TON of work. Much respect to my organic brethren, but I just couldn't' keep up.

& where the line gets drawn, is very subjective in my opinion.
 
lino

lino

2,637
263
Junk said:
That's why I gave it up. It's a TON of work. Much respect to my organic brethren, but I just couldn't' keep up.

& where the line gets drawn, is very subjective in my opinion.
Click to expand...
Ya i found some good organic tea and a good flush works well at home,, my gorilla farming days are about to an end,,, easier to go get a good job,,,,
 
ken dog

ken dog

1,699
263
lino said:
Most dont understand how to organic in colo... it so easy once you understand and its free... Find an area with approx 8-10 human editable weed salad plants. Keep your plant "less the 2.5' " lots of water from the river. thats all you need the bugs to the rest of the work.... Odd to watch people poison their shit under those lamp that cost so much .
Click to expand...

By bugs, you mean microbes, right?...insects, quite a few anyway, are the enemy.

The most excellent thing about growing indoors, is that you do not need pesticides of any kind... Hopefully. ;-)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Top Bottom