Accurate Information About Autoflowering Plants

[str8smokn]

Thanks Seraphim.. I was just going by what Str8 suggested about the Big Bloom..

Thanks @geori ,just throw me under the truck!!
WTF..


Why The Face!! Lol
STR8

 

[happyjoy]

Yes I did intend to have the schedule as it is.
The bio bizz schedule tells you to use the maximum of everything. the main reason fot this is because you will be giving them more money sooner!
The science is simple -
in grow phase the plants need high levels of N to produce leaf and stem

in the transition stage the plants need N and P.
N for more leaf and stem production and P for the transition to flowering

in the budding stage the plants need K to produce buds

if you look at the labels on the bottles grow contains high levels of N, medium levels of P and low levels of K
the bloom contains low levels of N medium levels of P and high levels of K

So you can see that giving grow when the plant is in flower is nonsense. It will not use the high levels of N as it is no longer producing leaf and stem so best case scenario you are just wasting nutes.

Autos are also more sensitive to nutes so adding more ingredients than needed means you are running the risk of raising nute concentrations to toxic levels, so worst case scenario you can kill your plant but the more likely result is that you will produce some foul tasting bud.

In a nutshell don't believe the hype the guys who sell you these nutes will do all they can to make you use and buy more to maximise their profits. If you think I may be wrong then please do a side by side test of their schedule and mine and then let me know who wins

ok. thnks for the reply. you follow something similiar to this, also for photoperiods?

ive been following your schedule you put. the reason i started thinking theres a defeciency, is because the top bit of the top cola of my auto, is starting to purple. the bud itself, and the edges of the leaves around it. but only the top bit of the top bud. (week 7, regular auto plant). temps only get down to around 60F at night (not below 50). so it seems that the purpling can only be because of defiency. (the strain is not a purple strain)
afterwards i read online somewhere, that one of the ways ot turn buds purple, is by cutting out the N completely at flower.... also some of the other leaves on top are showing other signs of DEF. i havent had these signs on any of the plants that ive used by going through the whole normal biobizz schedule.

have you noticed these symptoms on your own grows?


ALSO another question for you seraphim.
you wrote to add 1tsp of mollases here and there.
do you mean for that whole entire week where it shows up in the chart, or just once in that week.
thnks

 

[SwizzDaBeast]

Hello again everyone, here she is again day 27 , jus one day after the transplant, she does look aftected at all. The roots were wrapped around the blttom 2 inches of that little pot, not so much the middle, the top portion had more.
Is this a indicator that i watered improperly?

 

[SwizzDaBeast]

N the summer i used 1 tbsp of molasses per gal last 3 eeeks of flower.
Maybe this chart can help ya, helped me with a summer grow with the same issue, at least it sounds the same. I think my prob was too much bud booster, or too frequent , but im sure it depends on what bud stage the plant is in.

 

[mancdank]

I know this is a bit off topic but a few of u guys seem like u know what your talking about does any 1 know anything about exotic genetics

 

[mancdank]

Hello again everyone, here she is again day 27 , jus one day after the transplant, she does look aftected at all. The roots were wrapped around the blttom 2 inches of that little pot, not so much the middle, the top portion had more.
Is this a indicator that i watered improperly?

Sounds like what I mentioned in a earlier post about watering too quickly but please make sure that what ever u give them they can drink it within 3 days as the water goes stagnant and that's where the problems are with over watering if the liquid isn't oxygen rich the roots won't like it hope this helps

 

[Seraphim19]

ok. thnks for the reply. you follow something similiar to this, also for photoperiods?

ive been following your schedule you put. the reason i started thinking theres a defeciency, is because the top bit of the top cola of my auto, is starting to purple. the bud itself, and the edges of the leaves around it. but only the top bit of the top bud. (week 7, regular auto plant). temps only get down to around 60F at night (not below 50). so it seems that the purpling can only be because of defiency. (the strain is not a purple strain)
afterwards i read online somewhere, that one of the ways ot turn buds purple, is by cutting out the N completely at flower.... also some of the other leaves on top are showing other signs of DEF. i havent had these signs on any of the plants that ive used by going through the whole normal biobizz schedule.

have you noticed these symptoms on your own grows?


ALSO another question for you seraphim.
you wrote to add 1tsp of mollases here and there.
do you mean for that whole entire week where it shows up in the chart, or just once in that week.
thnks

You shouldn't have any deficiency if you are growing in soil as the soil contains nutrients too and the bloom still has a bit of N in it the actual NPK rating is 2-7-4 so there is enough N for the plant to work with in the later stages.

With the molasses I recommend using it once a week as it will enrich the soil, provide magnesium, provide carbs to the plant and massively increase the depth of flavour in the plant. No need for any more than once a week

 

[geori]

Hey @Seraphim19So feed one week with grow big and then next feeding use the Big Bloom with your ph'd water then next feeding grow big.
STR8

Guess I had it wrong. I thought the process was going to be to use both one weeks watering, then the next week

Thanks @geori ,just throw me under the truck!!
WTF..


Why The Face!! Lol
STR8

Lol ! Just so ya know, I trust your guidance completely. That is why I joined into your topic here. I don't usually toss people under the bus. Usually it is me dragging them under the bus along with me for something stupid I said or did !

Hey, another question for ya... How far do the roots extend towards the bottom of the pot at week three ?

 

[mancdank]

Guess I had it wrong. I thought the process was going to be to use both one weeks watering, then the next week

Guess I had it wrong. I thought the process was going to be to use both one weeks watering, then the next week



Lol ! Just so ya know, I trust your guidance completely. That is why I joined into your topic here. I don't usually toss people under the bus. Usually it is me dragging them under the bus along with me for something stupid I said or did !

Hey, another question for ya... How far do the roots extend towards the bottom of the pot at week three ?

At week 3 you should have a decent size root mass what u don't want is for them roots to go straight down and then just wrap around the bottom of the pot it's better to make it use the whole of the pot I've seen a few questions on this I will do a little diary and post a few pics it will probably take a few week but I will get it together see if that helps root mass is vital to big harvests


Lol ! Just so ya know, I trust your guidance completely. That is why I joined into your topic here. I don't usually toss people under the bus. Usually it is me dragging them under the bus along with me for something stupid I said or did !

Hey, another question for ya... How far do the roots extend towards the bottom of the pot at week three ?

 

[mancdank]

Is there any way to know how many seeds I will average from a plant I'm thinking of keeping it simple for my 1st effort and I'm going to reverse a cream mandarine auto with the silver technique and pollinate a cream mandarine xl auto just for a little trial and see what happens also how long can I keep my male pollen for in the fridge and if I find a pheno I wanna keep and isolate how many times would I be able to cross it with its self before the genetics started being affected I understand this will need to be done to stabilise but I've heard I can't do it too many times and if this is the case how are these guys keeping auto strain genetics stable for long periods of time ???

 

[str8smokn]

Guess I had it wrong. I thought the process was going to be to use both one weeks watering, then the next week



Lol ! Just so ya know, I trust your guidance completely. That is why I joined into your topic here. I don't usually toss people under the bus. Usually it is me dragging them under the bus along with me for something stupid I said or did !

Hey, another question for ya... How far do the roots extend towards the bottom of the pot at week three ?

Ha no problem man. It's hard to say for roots,each plant is different.
Is said plant in 3gal pot since its birth?
If so then the tap root could be at bottom or close by week three. That is its job dig deep to stabilize itself and search for water. That's MY opinion though.
STR8

 

[Seraphim19]

Is there any way to know how many seeds I will average from a plant I'm thinking of keeping it simple for my 1st effort and I'm going to reverse a cream mandarine auto with the silver technique and pollinate a cream mandarine xl auto just for a little trial and see what happens also how long can I keep my male pollen for in the fridge and if I find a pheno I wanna keep and isolate how many times would I be able to cross it with its self before the genetics started being affected I understand this will need to be done to stabilise but I've heard I can't do it too many times and if this is the case how are these guys keeping auto strain genetics stable for long periods of time ???

There is no average on how many seeds you will get as it depends on a number of factors, like how big the plant is, when it was pollinated, how long it was left to mature the seeds etc...

In my experience when I am making seeds just for my self and my close circle I use a plant in an 8litre/2gallon pot to produce the seeds and if the plant is pollinated at around 5 weeks old and left to mature as long as it needs to, then you should get around 3-4 hundred seeds. also this average is allowing for a good amount of pollen being used.

generally pollen is good for up to 6 months if kept cold and dry.

The process of isolating a pheno and keeping the genetic integrity is a bit complex to explain but if you think of it as if you were breeding animals then it becomes easier. first thing to know is that if you keep reversing a plant and produce fem seed every time the genetics break down very quickly. You want the male genes in there to keep the strain stable enough to work on and fine tune.
the next thing is that you need to think about each plants relation to each other. By this I mean that if you breed 2 seeds from the same batch it is the same as a brother and sister having a baby, obviously this will lead to an increased chance of genetic abnormality. So you really want to keep a few lines of descendants so that when you are breeding for a stable strain you are breeding with plants that are further away from each other i.e. second cousins
third thing is always keep seeds from previous generations these seeds will be the key to back crossing. they will also give you a safety net as it is much easier to go back a generation than to try and breed out a bad trait like being hermie prone.

if I were in your shoes and I wanted a nice line of cream mandarin for myself I would do the fem seed as you have planned then I would find some reg seed of cream mandarin or something as similar as possible then I would cross with the new plant which will be male. this will introduce the male genes and give you reg seeds.
from there you can refine the plant to where you want it while keeping the genetic integrity of the strain and by doing this it will give you the option to back cross both ways i.e. using a back cross mother or a backcross father

I am going to stop now because I could talk about the subject for days but I will be on hand should you need any assistance

 

[geori]

Is said plant in 3gal pot since its birth?

Yes...

 

[Seraphim19]

Ha no problem man. It's hard to say for roots,each plant is different.
Is said plant in 3gal pot since its birth?
If so then the tap root could be at bottom or close by week three. That is its job dig deep to stabilize itself and search for water. That's MY opinion though.
STR8

and I second that opinion!

 

[Bigeasyboss]

Dude, don't use bloom yet they are way too young! they haven't even hit the stretch phase yet!
introduce bloom when you see the vertical growth slow down usually around week 5 on regular autos and week 7-8 on super autos.
Keep going with the root and grow for now and you should see great things down the road

My plants are about 5 days old,I have plant magic grow soil as feed and plant magic root Stim,can I use any of these now at this age

 

[str8smokn]

My plants are about 5 days old,I have plant magic grow soil as feed and plant magic root Stim,can I use any of these now at this age

What kind of medium? If your in soil I would only use the root stimulator and at low doses..
Being only five days old,the seedling can't take a lot of nutes just yet.
I would wait until week three to feed if your useing amended soil. If your using CoCo then I can't help you..
Good luck..
STR8

 

[mancdank]

There is no average on how many seeds you will get as it depends on a number of factors, like how big the plant is, when it was pollinated, how long it was left to mature the seeds etc...

In my experience when I am making seeds just for my self and my close circle I use a plant in an 8litre/2gallon pot to produce the seeds and if the plant is pollinated at around 5 weeks old and left to mature as long as it needs to, then you should get around 3-4 hundred seeds. also this average is allowing for a good amount of pollen being used.

generally pollen is good for up to 6 months if kept cold and dry.

The process of isolating a pheno and keeping the genetic integrity is a bit complex to explain but if you think of it as if you were breeding animals then it becomes easier. first thing to know is that if you keep reversing a plant and produce fem seed every time the genetics break down very quickly. You want the male genes in there to keep the strain stable enough to work on and fine tune.
the next thing is that you need to think about each plants relation to each other. By this I mean that if you breed 2 seeds from the same batch it is the same as a brother and sister having a baby, obviously this will lead to an increased chance of genetic abnormality. So you really want to keep a few lines of descendants so that when you are breeding for a stable strain you are breeding with plants that are further away from each other i.e. second cousins
third thing is always keep seeds from previous generations these seeds will be the key to back crossing. they will also give you a safety net as it is much easier to go back a generation than to try and breed out a bad trait like being hermie prone.

if I were in your shoes and I wanted a nice line of cream mandarin for myself I would do the fem seed as you have planned then I would find some reg seed of cream mandarin or something as similar as possible then I would cross with the new plant which will be male. this will introduce the male genes and give you reg seeds.
from there you can refine the plant to where you want it while keeping the genetic integrity of the strain and by doing this it will give you the option to back cross both ways i.e. using a back cross mother or a backcross father

I am going to stop now because I could talk about the subject for days but I will be on hand should you need any assistance

Wil

My plants are about 5 days old,I have plant magic grow soil as feed and plant magic root Stim,can I use any of these now at this age

My plants are about 5 days old,I have plant magic grow soil as feed and plant magic root Stim,can I use any of these now at this age

Watch what u give the youngsters things like all mix have lots of nutes in already and can be massively affected if u try giving them any extra love where as coco is a blank canvas if you Are in coco start at 1/4 feed and only use every other time so 1 time with feed 1 time with just phd water and see how they are looking it's always easier to add more food than try and take it away and if your in soil just give root stim if you have a nute stick (salts meter ) u can always check then run off after you have watered them to see what's coming out this can be massively different from what your putting in

 

[mancdank]

Hey guys any recommendations for what brand of silver to use or will any do the job also for any of u guys working inside I'm a fully qualified electrician drop me a pm and I will try and help u with any electrical problems your having

 

[Bigeasyboss]

Yes I am using soil an no I don't have a nute stick,so u want me to only use about a tablespoon of root stim to 1litre of rain water ? Is that ok

Wil


Watch what u give the youngsters things like all mix have lots of nutes in already and can be massively affected if u try giving them any extra love where as coco is a blank canvas if you Are in coco start at 1/4 feed and only use every other time so 1 time with feed 1 time with just phd water and see how they are looking it's always easier to add more food than try and take it away and if your in soil just give root stim if you have a nute stick (salts meter ) u can always check then run off after you have watered them to see what's coming out this can be massively different from what your putting in[/QUOTE. I'm using soil and I will only use root stim untill they get bigger then and no I dont have a nute stick

 

[Bigeasyboss]

Yes I'm using terra-soil,

What kind of medium? If your in soil I would only use the root stimulator and at low doses..
Being only five days old,the seedling can't take a lot of nutes just yet.
I would wait until week three to feed if your useing amended soil. If your using CoCo then I can't help you..
Good luck..
STR8