First Time 12 Site Ebb And Grogro

[Midwestjay]

I had a Subaru sti :-\ :'(

Poor subie. Ima gm guy myself but I respect all good cars.

I hate pills. They had me on so many after the wreck, I got an ulcer and it literally did nothing. Felt the same amount of pain, and the muscle relaxers didnt get my discs back into place. Now I have stomach ulcers and have to take pills for that. I never was one to sue or some crazy shit. However I'm having to. The insurance company said they would give me x amount of $ which didnt even cover my medical bills I already have from the wreck, not to mention the more bills I have yet to even get. They didn't want to cover my lost wages. Yeah, I'm one of those commercials you see on basic cable with car wreck victims to call this accident lawyer because your case could potentially be worth millions....lol idk about all that....but I know I shouldn't have to be in the hole $ wise. Especially when the other driver was at fault and got ticketed at the scene, it was indisputable. So here I am injured like nobody's bizz and can't work....lol time to find a hobby until everything is back to the norm.

I don't blame you Man. My step dad had to do the same and sue. He didn't get much after the lawyers and shit.

 

[wasfromks]

 

[Midwestjay]

Yea I just sparked my last halfer of the night. This fast seeds auto girl scout cookies... More like Og kush, but it's fire. Night homie

 

[Irie Farmer]

When I change my rez should I do a flush, if I'm going to use different nutes? For example switching from veg to flower? And if so, is there anything you recommend doing or using?

I only flush at the end of the grow. There's a bit of a misconception with flushing. First of all if you aren't using a flushing agent you should use a mild nutrient solution to move the excess salts out of your system because water alone won't actually flush ALL of the nutrients out without overwatering them to the point of having them starve potentially losing yield and potency IME. Especially in hydro. I believe in steadily lowering your solution and finishing with only a diet of sugars, like Botanicare Raw or Bud Candy and a product like Canazyme and Fulvex to metabolize all of the excess nutrients. I prefer flood and drain personally but not saying it's a better method just my comfort zone. I have no experience with the undercurrent method but if you have seen what Big Dan's Greenthumb is doing and injecting O2 in the system. Not air stones but tanks like cO2 the results are amazing.

 

[Irie Farmer]

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I would do a little more research into this method as your all of your nutrients won't become available without a pH swing in any hydroponic system. With soil an ionic charge is much more active and will overtime change pH back and forth to get the elements from the nutrients to uptake as they need them. I have no experience with your system so I don't feel 100% confident in giving you too much advice but I really feel the pH swing is necessary for complete uptake of nutrients and I am curious to see if any deficiencies arise or lockout occurs. I don't believe in adding water or nutrients but rather change my rez every 7-10 days.

 

[Irie Farmer]

It sounds similar to the root 66 or sugar daddy.

You should run hydrogaurd especially if you don't have a chiller for your rez. It's not a root stimulater rather a protective additive to prevent root rot. I also would recommend Hydroplex for the flowering stage and maybe skip out on some of the other additives. But I definitely recommend a chiller in the future and keeping your solution around 68 and no more than 70 is crucial in preventing root rot and disease.

 

[wasfromks]

I would do a little more research into this method as your all of your nutrients won't become available without a pH swing in any hydroponic system. With soil an ionic charge is much more active and will overtime change pH back and forth to get the elements from the nutrients to uptake as they need them. I have no experience with your system so I don't feel 100% confident in giving you too much advice but I really feel the pH swing is necessary for complete uptake of nutrients and I am curious to see if any deficiencies arise or lockout occurs. I don't believe in adding water or nutrients but rather change my rez every 7-10 days.

You should run hydrogaurd especially if you don't have a chiller for your rez. It's not a root stimulater rather a protective additive to prevent root rot. I also would recommend Hydroplex for the flowering stage and maybe skip out on some of the other additives. But I definitely recommend a chiller in the future and keeping your solution around 68 and no more than 70 is crucial in preventing root rot and disease.

great info,thank you for that irie

 

[wasfromks]

I got some goodies today.

 

[Irie Farmer]

great info,thank you for that irie

You got it mang. I don't claim to be an expert as this has been a lifelong learning process and it never stops. I believe that if we all help each other in this community and not make a competition of it we can all benefit from the knowledge of others, new and old farmers alike. I see a great wealth of information on here and you have contributed to this as well and I am thinking of trying a system like yours in the future and your tent is dialed in like a boss so now the limits are only on your tech and I feel confident you're going to kill it and I think you can pull 2g a watt with the Flo and an attention to detail. Best, Irie.

 

[wasfromks]

You got it mang. I don't claim to be an expert as this has been a lifelong learning process and it never stops. I believe that if we all help each other in this community and not make a competition of it we can all benefit from the knowledge of others, new and old farmers alike. I see a great wealth of information on here and you have contributed to this as well and I am thinking of trying a system like yours in the future and your tent is dialed in like a boss so now the limits are only on your tech and I feel confident you're going to kill it and I think you can pull 2g a watt with the Flo and an attention to detail. Best, Irie.

Wow! Boss, I kinda teared up. Jkjk. I do appreciate the support tho, HELLA. I'm definitely not doing this to be better than this guy or that guy. I just want to know that every single time I do something I'm learning something. I'm perfecting this hobby as much as possible. It's a beautiful science. I have seen a lot of threads on ebb and grow systems like this. The threads start and stop. I want this to be a starting point for anyone interested in running a similar system to be able to pull as much info right here in this thread to assist them. Rather than having to hop from forum to forum gathering as much info as possible. That is one purpose, the other intentions are for knowledge gains and sharing for others. Meeting friends in the gardening community never hurts either. I really do appreciate you for following my grow journal, and to everyone else that has stopped by, stopping by, and to those who will eventually stop by and stumble upon this thread.

 

[Midwestjay]

I only flush at the end of the grow. There's a bit of a misconception with flushing. First of all if you aren't using a flushing agent you should use a mild nutrient solution to move the excess salts out of your system because water alone won't actually flush ALL of the nutrients out without overwatering them to the point of having them starve potentially losing yield and potency IME. Especially in hydro. I believe in steadily lowering your solution and finishing with only a diet of sugars, like Botanicare Raw or Bud Candy and a product like Canazyme and Fulvex to metabolize all of the excess nutrients. I prefer flood and drain personally but not saying it's a better method just my comfort zone. I have no experience with the undercurrent method but if you have seen what Big Dan's Greenthumb is doing and injecting O2 in the system. Not air stones but tanks like cO2 the results are amazing.

Great info, I do basically that exactly, but didn't know about still running the bud candy. You really recommend that?

 

[Midwestjay]

I would do a little more research into this method as your all of your nutrients won't become available without a pH swing in any hydroponic system. With soil an ionic charge is much more active and will overtime change pH back and forth to get the elements from the nutrients to uptake as they need them. I have no experience with your system so I don't feel 100% confident in giving you too much advice but I really feel the pH swing is necessary for complete uptake of nutrients and I am curious to see if any deficiencies arise or lockout occurs. I don't believe in adding water or nutrients but rather change my rez every 7-10 days.

How do you feel about nutes with ph buffers, do they need as much of a swing. I always set a lil low and let her raise. But was told with the buffers in ph perfect or floranova feed all the nutes long as you stay in that 5.5-6.5 range.

 

[Midwestjay]

You should run hydrogaurd especially if you don't have a chiller for your rez. It's not a root stimulater rather a protective additive to prevent root rot. I also would recommend Hydroplex for the flowering stage and maybe skip out on some of the other additives. But I definitely recommend a chiller in the future and keeping your solution around 68 and no more than 70 is crucial in preventing root rot and disease.

Long as I've ran hydroguard my temps stay above 70 without an issue. But yea if you can spend the extra cash a chiller is the ultimate. Just not cheap to buy or run. I've never tried the hydroplex.

 

[Midwestjay]

Wow! Boss, I kinda teared up. Jkjk. I do appreciate the support tho, HELLA. I'm definitely not doing this to be better than this guy or that guy. I just want to know that every single time I do something I'm learning something. I'm perfecting this hobby as much as possible. It's a beautiful science. I have seen a lot of threads on ebb and grow systems like this. The threads start and stop. I want this to be a starting point for anyone interested in running a similar system to be able to pull as much info right here in this thread to assist them. Rather than having to hop from forum to forum gathering as much info as possible. That is one purpose, the other intentions are for knowledge gains and sharing for others. Meeting friends in the gardening community never hurts either. I really do appreciate you for following my grow journal, and to everyone else that has stopped by, stopping by, and to those who will eventually stop by and stumble upon this thread.

My point exactly. I had to search around so much for info when I started, hate it when you find a good thread then it just stops half way through...

 

[wasfromks]

Today is about day 6. My r.o showed up, so I will spend some time hooking that up. The ladies are still on the rez. of root 66 and sugar daddy. I was talking about flipping to veg. I think however I am going to hold off on that. I will wait for these ladies to get a little more growth and make some clones from the topping. I will get my clones some root development and then kick it into veg. At least that's what I'm contemplating at the moment.

 

[Irie Farmer]

Great info, I do basically that exactly, but didn't know about still running the bud candy. You really recommend that?

I usually do run a similar product up until the last few days from Botanicare called Sweet Raw. I'm using bud candy this run and I'll see if it gives me the same results in a nice clean finished product. I don't want any chemicals in my flowers and after many years of doing extreme flushes with just water I've found that there are still some residual nutrients left behind because they are ionized and water alone won't break the bonding effect of the NPK in salt, nitrate, nitrites and chlorine which most nutrients consist of. The AN feed chart says to use Bud Candy from weeks 1-6 and then flawless finish but I prefer to just go with the carbs and sugars for the last flush with Fulvex and Canazyme to metabolize any residual elements and heavy metals and then kick them through with water for the last few days while they aren't tied up in the medium. I know that a lot of people will say otherwise and that flushing with water for 7 to 14 days is necessary for a clean finish but if you aren't moving the elements in the flowers out it really is of no significance if the medium is flushed because you aren't consuming the medium so that's where my experience has shown me that the runoff is the same as the water but there's still residuals left in the chlorophyll and plant material that won't break the ionic bond because I can taste products like cal/mag for example that hadn't been used for weeks. Sorry for the rambling on but honestly after years of trial and error I've just begun to understand what I'm trying to explain and I'm not very succinct in doing so because I don't fully understand the complete biological process but I'm sure others can explain much better than myself in a more scientific manner. Some people don't flush at all and please don't take what I'm doing as not flushing. I think I flush out more by not using water only for the last two weeks and I think it's the same reason that products like Clearex are made, not just for a quick flush but to break the salts and other chemicals loose from the plant matter and not just the medium.

 

[Irie Farmer]

Today is about day 6. My r.o showed up, so I will spend some time hooking that up. The ladies are still on the rez. of root 66 and sugar daddy. I was talking about flipping to veg. I think however I am going to hold off on that. I will wait for these ladies to get a little more growth and make some clones from the topping. I will get my clones some root development and then kick it into veg. At least that's what I'm contemplating at the moment.View attachment 584509 View attachment 584510 View attachment 584511 View attachment 584512 View attachment 584513 View attachment 584514

Spot on my man. Another week and they are going to explode with root development and then with lush growth to follow and clone for the next win. Then you'll be ready for your full on veg.

 

[Irie Farmer]

How do you feel about nutes with ph buffers, do they need as much of a swing. I always set a lil low and let her raise. But was told with the buffers in ph perfect or floranova feed all the nutes long as you stay in that 5.5-6.5 range.

I haven't used those specific products but I've heard good reviews and bad reviews on the AN pH perfect line and I wouldn't recommend Floranova for hydro but I also think it's possible to run any nutrients with great results if you have a grasp on them and get them dialed in. I'm really liking the CES 3 part right now and it's very pH stable but it still rises in my flood and drain system and I've heard that about the PH Perfect line as well but as I stated I have no personal experience with it.

 

[wasfromks]

I haven't used those specific products but I've heard good reviews and bad reviews on the AN pH perfect line and I wouldn't recommend Floranova for hydro but I also think it's possible to run any nutrients with great results if you have a grasp on them and get them dialed in. I'm really liking the CES 3 part right now and it's very pH stable but it still rises in my flood and drain system and I've heard that about the PH Perfect line as well but as I stated I have no personal experience with it.

Whats wrong with just monitoring it and making adjustments as needed? I'm new at this,but it just seems like marketing for a product that is developed to make your job easier.

 

[wasfromks]

Whats wrong with just monitoring it and making adjustments as needed? I'm new at this,but it just seems like marketing for a product that is developed to make your job easier.

Maybe that's a noob reply to something of that. I think it's rather fun checking, monitoring, adjusting.